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#1 Jul 08 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
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<Can we have it?> Don't you guys think it's about time to start making some Sub forums? Even if they are broad right now and only include DoW, DoM, DoL, DoH. The release date is slowly approaching and honestly I want to start talking about the classes and how they will be etc. Most of these threads are filled with topics involving Benchmarks, pricing, shipping, computer specs etc. Anytime someone has a post about a class it gets lost in all the repeated topics. Just four more sub forums for each Discipline will be good. I'm sure others would agree.
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#2 Jul 08 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
This was discussed a while ago. There's not much point creating anything right now because we still don't know enough about how everything is going to play out. At this point, I'd almost go so far as to say that Discipline/Class forums would be largely ineffective and instead we'd want something like tanking/physical damage/magic damage/healer/crafting forums. The classes in XIV are just templates and until we see how they wind up played in common usage, we don't really know how best to categorize them.
#3 Jul 08 2010 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's more reasonable now than it was then. We know that at least the DoW/DoM classes will have interchangeable abilities as well as class-specific ones. Most likely we'll end up with forums for each of those classes, and probably only one each for DoH and DoL.

It could certainly afford to wait, but I don't really think it's too soon, either.
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#4 Jul 08 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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Yes I agree but even if the topics are scarce at this point, at least the threads whether speculation or hopes will be better than the massive amounts of "Technical" Topics on the forum. I've seen so many good posts about classes and other aspects of the game get lost to the sea of benchmark and other technical threads. Not to mention the "I Hate SE" threads and the threads about pricing and shipping, which are valid and important, but I wanna talk about the classes and they should have an appropriate forum, even for speculation. There is a lot more info there was before.
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#5 Jul 08 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, XIV General is basically just a fish tank; we wander around looking for **** to do and occasionally pick fights with each other. Every so often, SE tosses us some fish food and we gobble it up as fast as we can, then to back to being bored and fighting with each other.

Until there's more solid info on the classes (beyond just speculation with the occasional vague tidbit), it's silly to have 10+ more forums for it.
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#6 Jul 08 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Good
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No point really until the NDA is lifted.
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#7 Jul 08 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Default
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Yes I agree but even if the topics are scarce at this point, at least the threads whether speculation or hopes will be better than the massive amounts of "Technical" Topics on the forum. I've seen so many good posts about classes and other aspects of the game get lost to the sea of benchmark and other technical threads. Not to mention the "I Hate SE" threads and the threads about pricing and shipping, which are valid and important, but I wanna talk about the classes and they should have an appropriate forum, even for speculation. There is a lot more info there was before.


The point I'm trying to get across is that there's no real benefit to creating a bunch of forums now if it turns out that there would be a better format for them. It's pretty hard to migrate the contents of one forum to another, so until we have a feel for how everything works together we can't really say how best to organize forums to suit the classes.
#8 Jul 08 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Not ten just four. One for each Discipline. People can just talk about the classes they want to play. What classes they hope to see. Speculate on the classes we have now, whatever that is based on the classes. The funniest part of a game or expansion being released is all the theories and speculations people have. And having a sub forum for each discipline might entice people to actually talk about the disciplines. We can do that here on the General forum, but not many people start topics and when they do the topic is lost to all the other non class threads to the point that I am sure some people are like "Why even bother?"
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#9 Jul 08 2010 at 10:49 PM Rating: Default
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Not ten just four. One for each Discipline. People can just talk about the classes they want to play. What classes they hope to see. Speculate on the classes we have now, whatever that is based on the classes. The funniest part of a game or expansion being released is all the theories and speculations people have. And having a sub forum for each discipline might entice people to actually talk about the disciplines. We can do that here on the General forum, but not many people start topics and when they do the topic is lost to all the other non class threads to the point that I am sure some people are like "Why even bother?"


And what do we do with those forums when the game goes live? Do we keep them ala the FFXI race forums? From a "forum full of junk" perspective, we have a hardware sticky now (and I'm already getting grief for refering people to it, which means it must be working) and the rest of the rant/cry threads about the terrible despots that are SE will either die off or receive admin attention. And then we're going to be back to a dozen or so threads meandering around the front page.

The Disciplines don't mean anything. You can mix and match and borrow cross class/cross discipline with freedom and ease. Breaking it down that way just means that people are going to have to hop back and forth all over the place as their character builds get more complex.
#10 Jul 08 2010 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:


And what do we do with those forums when the game goes live? Do we keep them ala the FFXI race forums? From a "forum full of junk" perspective, we have a hardware sticky now (and I'm already getting grief for refering people to it, which means it must be working) and the rest of the rant/cry threads about the terrible despots that are SE will either die off or receive admin attention. And then we're going to be back to a dozen or so threads meandering around the front page.

The Disciplines don't mean anything. You can mix and match and borrow cross class/cross discipline with freedom and ease. Breaking it down that way just means that people are going to have to hop back and forth all over the place as their character builds get more complex.


I am almost positive that no matter how the classes work with each other, they will have a Sub-Forum for each discipline, which may or may not have sub-forum for each class. When you go to the Final Fantasy XIV website they have a page for each Discipline, that has a page for each class. Why wouldn't a forum community focused on the game not have something similar? Even if they wanted to wait because they didn't want to have a forum for each Discipline, at least have another forum just for "Classes" At this point the General Forum is too general in my opinion. There are people who would actually like to theorize, speculate or just plain and talk about their excitement for the classes in the game. All I'm making is a suggestion, it's not that big of a deal.
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#11 Jul 08 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Default
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Oh and btw I just found out that FFXIVcore.com has sub-forums. So I guess they are silly.
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#12 Jul 08 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh and btw I just found out that FFXIVcore.com has sub-forums. So I guess they are silly.


Ya, FFXIVCore also has an admin tht got busted trying to sell beta codes he didn't have. Just because a wanna-be premier site with a propensity to embarass itself to the online community does something doesn't make it a good idea. I'd say that if anything, it would be much better to wait until the game is within a week or two of release when the NDA is gone and people have had a chane to experiment and see how things fit together to decide.
#13 Jul 08 2010 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIVCore also has the distinct advantage of being set up for just that game so they can easily design their forums to migrate the threads when they know more. Allakhazam, from a technical perspective, is not set up in such a way that we can readily move all the threads to a new forum. If we make 4 Discipline forums now, they'll be completely unused when the class forums come about, but deleting them outright is impractical. It's a waste of admin resources, frankly. We already know exactly what these forums will be like - a ton of useless speculation and fanboy flame wars, like happened when they added BLU, PUP and COR forums before ToAU was released. At the very least they need a definite class list and official descriptions before they can go about making class forums.

Edited, Jul 9th 2010 12:36am by Majivo
#14 Jul 08 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not illogical to have at least one other forum to talk about the game. I don't care who did what to who. At the end of the day people are going to go to the site that has the most info, speculated or factual. I'm not telling ZAM to step it up, just add another **** forum. And honestly I don't feel bad for people trying to buy beta keys. That's just plain stupid!
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#15 Jul 08 2010 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
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There's absolutely no point in having more forums at this point. It's not as though this place is so bustling that any thread you make is going to be off the front page in an hour. The only reason they divide the forums up this way is because otherwise, the high traffic we receive would push threads out of sight before they could be discussed thoroughly. At this point it's simply not even a remote concern for the FFXIV forums. The only type of sub forum this place needs is a hardware one because too many people are freaking out, and hopefully the new sticky alleviates that. (No, I don't seriously think FFXIV should get its own hardware forum.)
#16 Jul 08 2010 at 11:42 PM Rating: Default
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It's not illogical to have at least one other forum to talk about the game. I don't care who did what to who. At the end of the day people are going to go to the site that has the most info, speculated or factual. I'm not telling ZAM to step it up, just add another **** forum. And honestly I don't feel bad for people trying to buy beta keys. That's just plain stupid!


I would prefer to see this forum cleaned up before we add another one.
#17 Jul 08 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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Technical Forum sounds good. Honestly let's just talk more about aspects of the game. I was just trying to make a suggestion to help this forum.
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#18 Jul 09 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I honestly think we have enough info now to determine the best format for the forums. The DoW/DoM classes should be differentiated enough to warrant their own forum. The DoH classes will for the most part play the same way. The DoL classes will probably play differently, but not be so complex or popular as to warrant a forum for each.

I would NOT create a forum just for DoW and DoM because those WILL be hard to split. But honestly, what are the odds that each class won't need its own forum and DoW/DoM will ever need to be consolidated? Not very high, and if they are, consolidating threads is a much easier than sorting them.

So I really don't see it as an issue that we don't know how they should be set up: it's pretty obvious at this point. It's really just a matter of there not being much to discuss since we can't even disclose things like the ability list. But I'm sure some people would like to go ahead and speculate and such.
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#19 Jul 09 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Class forums have just been added to the site. News story here: http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=22748
#20 Jul 09 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Edit: yay

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 12:24am by RedGalka
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#21 Jul 09 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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Someone forgot Lancer [:sad:]
#22 Jul 09 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh dang it. Thanks for catching that. I'll have them add it in. I know I put it in the ticket, angsty probably just missed it.
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Oh dang it. Thanks for catching that. I'll have them add it in. I know I put it in the ticket, angsty probably just missed it.


Lancer forum is up, and I'm all up in its business :D
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#24 Jul 09 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I really don't think it will be necessary to have separate forums for each DoH and DoL, and DoH especially would probably be more convenient as a single forum. However, as I just said, it's easier to consolidate than to split, so I guess it can be adjusted later if that ends up being the case.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#25 Jul 10 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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I would rather wait for the game to come out before we started any of the sub forums. The reason is, there will be far to much speculation all based on FFXI and there would be more wrong information than helpful stuff.

I know people are itching to get started, but it won't hurt to wait a while.
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