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#1 Jul 09 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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...and I will be playing FFXIV. :D

My bf and I played WoW for 4+ years. Before that he played FFXI for 1-2 years. It was really early on when there were only a couple expansions. I'm only familiar with FFXI from watching him play, but we're both really excited about FFXIV.

Our WoW guild always had a pretty decent sized group of female players. I was just curious whether there were many female FFXI players. I know WoW is considered a lot more accessible, and most of the women I knew played with their boyfriends/husbands. The more of us there were, the less we got harrassed. I can only think of 1 time where I was seriously bothered b/c I'm a girl.

So, guys or gals may answer: From your FFXI experience, will there be many female FFXIV players?

Thanks for the responses.
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I'm not really sure why this post was defaulted. Seems like an honest question. To answer it, I'm going to assume there will be the same female population as there has been across MMOs in the past. I wish I had a factual percentage of female gamers to present to you but I'll just quote off the average number of women that are in all the guilds/linkshells I've participated in: 34%

I don't think that will change in this game since it doesn't seem specifically designed to attract female gamers anymore then FFXI was. Judging by the content and graphics I've seen so far it looks to be designed to attract the same demographic as XI.
#3 Jul 09 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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I hope there will be. This way my wife does not feel alienated and out of place in a LS full of guys lol. Our LS in XI had a fairly even mix of guys and girls and we always had a good time. Some of the end game LS' I was in were dominated by asshats so my wife refused to come to sky, sea, ect with me =/
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My girlfriend was obsessed with FFXI and will be playing FFXIV with me as well. I think a lot of couples do end up playing together. It will most likely be more males than females playing, but I'm sure a large number of female gamers will enjoy the game.
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All of my linkshells(guilds of ff)I participated in were created by women or had one behind the scenes as the wife of the leader. All you really need to do is set an age limit for the group you join or create and you'll do great. FFXI and FFXIV appear to have an older player base than WoW, so you will find it a (somewhat) more tolerable community as a whole. =D


tl,dr: 30-35% female population sounds about right
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#6 Jul 09 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
eh so? :P Er wait, this is the part where we're supposed to hit on you and stuff and hold up the stereotypical image of online communities?
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#7 Jul 09 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
I don't know how large the female population in FFXI is/was, but from my experience, they're a lot more common than you think. I, too, am female, and I met dozens of women during my time in FFXI. I was friends with some, casual aquaintances with others. Most of them played because their boyfriend/husband/fiancee did, so I suppose that put me in the minority, because I'm a single girl who wasn't introduced to FFXI by anybody.
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eh so? :P Er wait, this is the part where we're supposed to hit on you and stuff and hold up the stereotypical image of online communities?


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#9 Jul 09 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Some of the very best leadeers in our LS were female. The male LS leaders were very careful to protect the female players from harassment, perhaps because the girls clearly helped make everything more fun (as far as chatting and off-topic discussions.) Anyone who did not honor LS members were removed in short order.

Because of this we had a wonderful mix of players to help while-away the time during long NM camps and pre-event waits.

Of course, if you played long enough, you would go from one LS to the next, over time. But the most memorable LS events were with respectful groups playing mainly to have a great time. Getting great gear is fun, but it's indeed the poeple that would keep you coming back for more!

You will no doubt find such a group, BnBurns2000. Perhaps not on the first try (don't be discouraged easily), but they will be there looking for repectful players to join them.
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...and I will be playing FFXIV. :D

My bf and I played WoW for 4+ years. Before that he played FFXI for 1-2 years. It was really early on when there were only a couple expansions. I'm only familiar with FFXI from watching him play, but we're both really excited about FFXIV.

Our WoW guild always had a pretty decent sized group of female players. I was just curious whether there were many female FFXI players. I know WoW is considered a lot more accessible, and most of the women I knew played with their boyfriends/husbands. The more of us there were, the less we got harrassed. I can only think of 1 time where I was seriously bothered b/c I'm a girl.

So, guys or gals may answer: From your FFXI experience, will there be many female FFXIV players?

Thanks for the responses.


Yes, just don't assume female characters = females irl.
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The two mmo's I have played that had the most female gamers were lotro and ffxi. With that said, with ffxi and I hope ffxiv, it was a teamwork based game, cooperation/communication played a big part which made it more "couple friendly"(obviously not all, but I notice a lot of females play mmo's with their partner, this is based off those) then a lot of games imo. At times in WoW I felt like leveling with others was often times even a hindrance, then of course the game is built around aggressively trying to better than the rest rather than working with them.

So short story: I think there will be plenty
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My wife and I are going to be playing together. She doesn't want me to play a mithra this time around because she wants our characters to have the same last name. -_-;`
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#13 Jul 09 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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We had a couple of female players in my FFXI linkshell. To the best of my knowledge, they were treated with the same level of respect as the males by all. Unfortunately that's the extent of my firsthand knowledge of females in FFXI, so I can't provide any more insight.
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From the people I knew in FFXI, there were a lot of girls. My link was probably about 1/3 female, and the sackholders were quick to kick if any guy started antagonizing one of them. I know that 2 of the original 5 who started that link were girls who played for years.

Looking at how popular MMOs have become since FFXI, and the fact that girl gamers are always underestimated for numbers, I think FFXIV will have a decent split. Of course, a lot of that may depend on your server choice.

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#15 Jul 09 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Speaking on behalf of FFXI, I've seen a lot of endgame guilds ruined by a male leader lead astray by the siren call of a female member who suddenly gets promoted to officer and gets first dibs on all loot. Now to be clear, I'm not blaming "all females" for this, I'm blaming the male. I prefer my LS/guild leaders to either be female, ***, or married (either gender) because you never have to worry about people flirting with them for loot.

And my fiancee will be playing with me, so there's a girl (I checked. BRB gonna check again just to be sure...)
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#16 Jul 09 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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...so true, so frightening.


I'm a dude with a female character. Big whoop, ya wanna fight about it? :P
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Once I thought it would be a good idea to make a female character and play through LOTRO.

The first few weeks were a lot of fun - I got a ton of help - a friendly guy invited me to join his LS (I forget what the equivalent of LS was called there) - and suddenly, guys were giving me crafting items and gear for free! All I had to do was throw in a "teehee" here and there in chat.

Then things got WEIRD. Without going into specifics, I will never again make a female character, and I don't envy anyone that does.
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Ha! One of my good friends enjoyed playing a Mithra because he would get free stuff and preferential treatment often. At first I would tell people, "Hey, that's a guy!" when they started flirting with him. But later I realized that he liked flirting with guys to get some extra loot/help. I saw it in action often enough.

Take that how you will. I'll be playing a Roegadyn myself.
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I have always played female characters, something about a woman carrying a big axe just appeals to me. yet, i always tell people i'm a guy.

Never have received loot because I play a female char, maybe I'm missing out but flirting with guys... ewww just the idea makes me nauseous.
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O.P. :

Honestly, I think we have come to a time where girl gamers are no longer a novelty. There are lots of us, and you should have no trouble finding female players on any server you choose.

Also, I tried really hard not to take offense to the tone of the post. Many women play games for their own enjoyment, not just because their boyfriends do. But, that's just an aside based on my own reaction. I assume you meant nothing by it.
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Thanks everyone for the responses. It seems like everyones' FFXI experiences were very similar to WoW. I didn't know because of its size if WoW was the exception to the rule or the norm.

And lol to the post about guildies sexting their way to more loot. That's happened more than once in guilds I've been in.

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And my fiancee will be playing with me, so there's a girl (I checked. BRB gonna check again just to be sure...)


So? did u check
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Yea I have never played FFXI before, but I play WoW (Until FFXIV comes out anyway) and my guild has more active girl gamers than guy gamers. I know that is not the norm but we have about 15 active people and 11 of those are girls. I enjoy it that way, mainly due to the fact that the girl that leads the guild is very skilled and handles any problems that arise swiftly and as fair as possible.

I agree that girl gamers are no longer a real novelty. They are many and widespread across all genres of gaming. Though they don't outnumber guys, or come even close to doing so, as far as I am aware.
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Not that I'm stereotyping, but I've had some bad experiences with female gamers who were really ****** and frequently drama queens. Not that I haven't met males who are the same way, but it was always worse with the girls. I've also met some really cool ladies, too (most of them have been), but since a lot of girls started picking up MMOs, sometimes I actually miss the old sausage-fest days. It was a lot easier to talk **** and be crude without someone getting their panties in a bunch.
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Oh, Alla, don't ever change.
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Because Alla is so different from all of the other forum communities? It really isn't. BG would probably be the most different, but it's still not any better-- just different.
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I actually like the Alla community more than the others I frequent. Discussions here (in the FFXIV forum) are more mature than the rest.

I like it here :D
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Because Alla is so different from all of the other forum communities? It really isn't. BG would probably be the most different, but it's still not any better-- just different.


Of the forums I frequent that talk about games, Alla is the only place this conversation would still happen. The rest seem to have gotten over girls on the internet. So, yes, Alla is so different from some other forum communities. There are a lot of forums out there, not just ones with thriving Final Fantasy sections.

Then again, I wasn't being sarcastic. I really don't want Alla to change.

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That's mostly because alla is bigger, not different. More discussions with more people mean more topics will come up, not that the people themselves are significantly different.

So yes, it's a little different, but the biggest difference by far is the size of the user base.
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#31 Jul 09 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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why is it relevant that you are of female gender?
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Because males and females are different and social dynamics are affected by gender?
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#33 Jul 09 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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why is it relevant that you are of female gender?

Female way of showing off e-peen?

I've noticed in XI even though you are a female but you play a Tarutaru you're not the typical target to be hit on. Of course the obvious reason that Tarus are seen as cute and childish compared to what is considered an attractive women but anyway guys will still hit on you once you start saying your a girl regardless.

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Nope, there are no women in Final Fantasy. Just ask Pikko.
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I'm getting subdefaulted on alla for defending alla? lol?

Or maybe some idiots think I'm a sexist.

Whatever. This is an amusing thread.
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#36 Jul 09 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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BnBurns2000 wrote:
will there be many female FFXIV players?
Who the f*ck cares? Why would it matter?



Edited, Jul 9th 2010 7:13pm by bsphil
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bsphil wrote:
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will there be many female FFXIV players?
Who the f*ck cares? Why would it matter?



Edited, Jul 9th 2010 7:13pm by bsphil


I don't think it's much of a stretch to imagine that some female players would feel more comfortable if there was a decent population of others like them. More understanding, less leering, that sort of thing.
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Speaking on my own behalf as a more or less straight man who plays female characters:

I really don't mind if other guys flirt with my female character. I'll tell them to cut it out if I'm not in the mood. If I am in the mood, I'll humor them with my own gender ambiguity and "accidentally" let it slip that I'm a dude when they're getting into it. That usually gets them to cut it out and go away.

So my suggestion to women is just that.. if someone gets way too excitable with you, let em know you're packing a *****. Usually does the trick, unless you use voice chat.

I've had female players try to flirt with me (as an LS sackholder) to try to get me to bump them up in the line on loot lists. I might harmlessly flirt back, but once they start asking for favors, I inform them that I am happily engaged to someone who lives with me, and have no interest in pursuing a relationship with someone who likely lives hours away.

Honestly, people who harass you because of your gender are annoying as ****, regardless of their gender vs yours.

Nothing wrong with female gamers; I'm marrying one. Just don't be afraid to tell the pervy teenagers to **** off. Never hurts to point out that if they behave to women IRL like they're behaving to you in tells, then it's no surprise they're single. Seems like adolescent males have this thought in their head that females, especially female gamers, are some virtual commodity that one must work to obtain, and that if they turn you down, it just means you have to try harder.

Female gamers are female and male gamers are male. You wanna flirt with someone, fine. They wanna flirt back, fine too. But if they're not interested in you, stop trying to tell them about your hot dog and meatballs and treat them like a **** human being.
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Honestly, I think we have come to a time where girl gamers are no longer a novelty. There are lots of us, and you should have no trouble finding female players on any server you choose.

Also, I tried really hard not to take offense to the tone of the post. Many women play games for their own enjoyment, not just because their boyfriends do. But, that's just an aside based on my own reaction. I assume you meant nothing by it.


Ah glad I read through and looked at all the comments, I was going to write pretty much this. Just go to PAX this year and you'll see plenty of female gamers everywhere. :D
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Almost my entire linkshell was females. Some of them played male characters, but they were females in real life. I myself am female and I've never felt awkward playing online games. If someone gives you crap (or unwanted attention) just for being a girl just blacklist them (assuming that will be available in the new game.) But over all, I've personally never found it to be an issue. Just like any other activity involving lots of people, you'll find your niche and fit in somewhere and make friends with people who are friends because you are who you are, and not solely for the reason that you're a female.
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I don't know about the entire FFXI population but I do know that the two people I hung out with the most and did things with the most in FFXI were girls and they had a couple girlfriends who played the game...god I hope I run into them again, they were awesome to play with, some fun memories.
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make friends with people who are friends because you are who you are, and not solely for the reason that you're a female.
Exactly.
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I think it's been said but: just jump right into it and if you don't like the game, stop playing.

Girls can play with boys too (!!). When I played XI, I was 'technically' immersed in a world with all sorts of people I don't frequently interact with: adults (legal and cultural definition), militants, engineers... list goes on. Had plenty of fun. And learned some interesting things about people in the process.
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I'm a female gamer as well, and when I played FFXI for about 14 months a few years back, I never really noticed much of a disparity between the sexes in-game. Then again, gender was never much of a concern with the players I encountered and my old linkshell. But regarding your question, I do think that there's a sizable chunk of FFXI and future FFXIV players that are women. Perhaps the female population isn't as big as WoW's, but it's definitely there.

I'll be playing FFXIV when it comes out for PS3, at any rate! ^^
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There's nothing wrong with announcing your gender, but it's usually the females who make sure to let everyone know that they're female that are the ones to watch out for. They're usually fishing for free **** from horny adolescents. Half of them aren't even female.

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What do ******* chat rooms and fraternities have in common? Everyone there loves women, but none are actually there.

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+1 this.

At the risk of being idealistic, and all gender jokes aside, the contents of someone's undergarments should have no bearing on your friendship with them.
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There's nothing wrong with announcing your gender, but it's usually the females who make sure to let everyone know that they're female that are the ones to watch out for. They're usually fishing for free sh*t from horny adolescents. Half of them aren't even female.
This. Note: apply it to the OP. Nearly every time someone has to declare their gender in an introduction for an online game, it's a female (or claiming to be). Always makes me think of this:

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hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol...as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^... im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol...neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!

DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe...toodles!!!!!

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@Mikhalia: While that's true, genders are not so culturally homogeneous that it usually works out that way. Males tend to get along better with males and females tend to get along better with females on the whole, and mixing them tends to create more controversy. Granted, this is an MMO and those effects are far less pronounced, as we all obviously have a similar hobby. (And I tend to think girls that game are just generally cooler, not because they play games, but just are generally more mellow and easy to relate to.)

Bit of an oversimplification, but I'm watching TV so I don't have time to write a dissertation.

lol@ bsphil

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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#48 Jul 09 2010 at 10:44 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
There's nothing wrong with announcing your gender, but it's usually the females who make sure to let everyone know that they're female that are the ones to watch out for. They're usually fishing for free sh*t from horny adolescents. Half of them aren't even female.
This. Note: apply it to the OP. Nearly every time someone has to declare their gender in an introduction for an online game, it's a female (or claiming to be). Always makes me think of this:

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hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol...as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^... im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol...neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!

DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe...toodles!!!!!

love and waffles,
*~t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m~*


tl;dr: I hope everything awful in the world happens to you, OP.


You'll always notice that it's female gamers because there's a perception (incorrect or not) that female gamers are a rare breed. While it's certainly far more common than it used to be, it's still a noticeable difference. And as long as female gamers are treated differently (for better or for worse), it'll still be considered a change from the norm. And if your different from the norm, and it affects how people treat you, then there's nothing wrong with mentioning it to clear things up with people if you want.

Your rant was pretty damned preemptive and unwarranted, regardless. I'm seeing a lot of people fly way off the handle in this thread. If you want to show how equal we all are, then don't spew generalized accusations back at someone when they announce that they're female.

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 12:46am by Eske

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 12:47am by Eske
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#49 Jul 09 2010 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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Another female gamer here who will be playing ffxiv.

I'm not sure why anyone would get their panties in a bunch whenever someone starts a topic about female gamers. There's nothing wrong with the op's post. Anyone having a hissyfit over it needs to stop drinking so much Red Bull.

I currently play lotro where there are only a few female gamers that I group with on occasion. While I enjoy hanging out with the fellas, it's nice to hear other female voices and I'm hoping FFXIV will have a decent population of estrogen.

As for the op announcing she was female, it would have been a bit odd if she hadn't and had still asked if the game would have a decent pop of females. The reactions in that case would have been along the lines of "why are you asking, are you a perv"? lol
#50 Jul 09 2010 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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@Mikhalia: While that's true, genders are not so culturally homogeneous that it usually works out that way. Males tend to get along better with males and females tend to get along better with females on the whole, and mixing them tends to create more controversy. Granted, this is an MMO and those effects are far less pronounced, as we all obviously have a similar hobby. (And I tend to think girls that game are just generally cooler, not because they play games, but just are generally more mellow and easy to relate to.)

Bit of an oversimplification, but I'm watching TV so I don't have time to write a dissertation.


I dunno. I just think that the only people who try to overemphasize these huge differences between men and women are either adolescents or they're trying to advertise a romantic comedy.

Yeah, there are indeed some common things that men prefer to do together and some common things that women prefer to do together; even my sister's baby shower had all the womenfolk outside in the yard playing shower games and all the menfolk downstairs drinking and talking politics. I'll admit that a group of women are more likely to be found watching *** and the City or Titanic and a group of men are more likely to be watching 300 or Gladiator.

But when it comes down to a hobby, be it MMORPGs or TCGs or what have you... you're already doing the same thing together, and this common interest is really gender-irrelevant. Why does someone need chest hair to enjoy mindlessly pressing buttons for hours at a time? Yeah, gaming is still widely regarded as "A man's sport", but it really isn't. i guess you can blame gender stereotyping for that; Billy gets a Super Nintendo and Susie gets a Barbie dream car. But ****, if Susie can kick Billy's *** in mortal Kombat, then give her a **** controller.

Honestly? I think the menfolk are just scared of getting their asses kicked by a girl :)
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#51 Jul 10 2010 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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The gender stereotyping is really unfortunate because it ultimately deprives both men and women of feeling comfortable partaking in enjoyable activities, and creates a rift between the genders that eventually causes relationship problems. Case in point, if men like sports and video games, and women like shopping and make up, then men and women find difficulty enjoying these things together, which is something that all relationships should have.

Personally all I was trying to say in my earlier comment is that while most girls I meet online are cool and I'm glad they're around, on the other hand most of the touchy people in game who I've been close to have been females. Since I'm really not the kind of guy who treads lightly, and most guys don't really give a **** if I run at the mouth, I do feel like I'm on eggshells more often as the girl gamers increase in numbers. A recent case in point.

I've had guys dislike me, be irritated, or even ****** with me. But the only times I've been truly ******* at were by females. General gender trends are that females tend to exhibit greater relational aggression, whereas males tend to exhibit greater physical aggression. In a PvE game that's a lot of talk, that makes ladies the scarier *** to me.

Though I do appreciate that they tend to be more willing to take on the support/healing roles that often go underserved, although I'm also inclined to resent the role that gender stereotyping plays in that trend.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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