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#1 Jul 10 2010 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a evga 9800gtx+ and been wondering which option is better. It's either get another 9800 and go dual graphic or get a better graphic card around 4-500 price range.
#2 Jul 10 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I prefer a decent single card, to using 2 inferior cards in sli/crossfire, choice is yours, you'll get better performance from a better single card, than you will using 2 old cards together
#3 Jul 10 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I think a single GTX 460 (or 465) would outperform and outlast an SLI setup of any pre-GTX 400 series. The GTX 460s are dropping fairly quick in price.

I just got a 470 and plan to get another when they drop under 250 which I have a feeling may be before Black Friday, or maybe not. Any way it increased my score over my 8800 GTS SLI setup by over 1k, my processor is now my bottleneck instead of my GPUs.
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I'd suggest going for a single card solution. 5870s are between $370 and $500 depending on which model you get. 480s are between $460 and $500.

As things are now, I'd recommend a 5870 (1GB, Non-Eyefinity) for around the $380 mark. If you check this list here, you can see that the benchmark performance between the two is quite small. However, it's been said that the drivers for the 480s are lacking at the moment in regards to the FFXIV benchmark, and could give a performance boost once proper drivers are available.

I've also read that the 5870 1GB models perform slightly better than the 2GB models until you actually start going into multi-monitor resolutions. That may be another thing to consider.
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The Geforce 470 gtx is an entirely new graphics engine, based around the "Fermi" core. it uses a completely different rendering model than all previous graphics cards, and one that very few games currently fully support. FFXIV itself reportedly has issues with the 460 and 470 at the moment. Chances are those will be resolved prior to any retail release. but you might want to wait until launch to choose a new card.

Running 2 9800 GTX+'s is a cost effective solution, if you have the power supply to support it. It will be slightly slower than the maximum theoretical performance of a 470 on games that fully utilize the fermi engine, but at a fraction of the cost, which you could put towards other hardware, etc. Monitor size also dictates which way you go. IF you have a small monitor, don't bother with SLI or a 470 GTX.

I currently run dual EVGA 280 GTX SSD's (the 280 GTX with the core of the 285 gtx but the slower ram of the 280 basically) It works well.
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#6 Jul 10 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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How about using multiple monitors?

I just saw a photo somewhere showing FF14 running on 3 monitors.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94805

If only 1 card, we can only use 2 monitor right?

I actually uses 3 monitor together (2 from mac-mini and 1 from PC), so I am really curious.

#7 Jul 10 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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I do not like using dual or even triple graphic cards because it requires a lot more power to run. However, if power consumption is not a big deal, dual graphic cards are capable of blowing some of the newer generation cards out of the water. You can get 2 gtx 9800 for about $100 each, or you can just buy a gtx 465 which is about $250. Get 2 gtx 465s and you will have something way more powerful than the gtx 470.
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I'm using a GTX295, but it looks like the GTX 4xx family seems to give better performance. But how come the GTX295s are still selling at such a high price if there are better cards available?
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Due to the vagaries of video card naming conventions, a GTX295 is still a competitive card and might be better than, say, a GT440. (I don't know if that specific example is actually true, but the pattern in Nvidia's pre-GTX cards worked that way, and it's probably the same now.)
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Majivo wrote:
Due to the vagaries of video card naming conventions, a GTX295 is still a competitive card and might be better than, say, a GT440. (I don't know if that specific example is actually true, but the pattern in Nvidia's pre-GTX cards worked that way, and it's probably the same now.)


Nvidia relly screwed up the naming convention on cards with their recent changeover. Basically, really oversimplifiong here, here's the model break down historically:

AS far as I am aware, there was no "geforce 1"
Geforce 2 GT and GTX
Geforce 3 GT, GTX and Ultra
Geforce 4 440gt, 4000 GT, 4200 GT, 4600 GT, 4600 GTX
Geforce 5 5600 GT, 5800 GTX, 5800 Ultra
Geforce 6 6600 GT (first of the PCI express cards), 6800 GT and GTX
Geforce 7 7600 GT 7600 GTS, 7800 GTX, 7900 GTX, 7950 GX2 dual core graphics card
Geforce 8 8200 gt, 8600 gt, 8600 gts, 8800 gt, 8800 gtx, 8800 ultra, 8900 gtx
Geforce 9 9600 gt, 9800 gt, 9800 gtx, 9800 ultra, 9800 GTX+
Geforce 10 260 GTX, 280 GTX, 280 GTX SSD, 285 GTX, 295 GTX, 295 Ultra, 295 GX2 dual core
Geforce 11 460 GTX, 480 GTX (there were no Geforce 3xx series cards produced. rumor has it they scrapped the design in favort of the fermi chips)

SO a 4xx GTX is actually and 11th generation chip, while a GT440 is actually a really old 4th generation AGP chip. Then you have the whole radeon 9800 naming convention mess on the ATI side. you almost need a manual just to figure it all out.

If you are ever curious about your video card and want to know exactly what you have in your system (ram speeds, processor, etc) run a program called GPUz. It's freeware, and will tell you exactly what specifications you have. Not all nvidia 9800 GTX's are created equil for example. Later models have a significantly faster and cooler running processor than the earliest ones.
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#11 Jul 11 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I was thinking of getting another 4890, since going by benchmark rankings it seems the most cost effective solution, though I'm thinking it'd be best to wait for the game to come out to see if it even supports it...
#12 Jul 11 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Majivo wrote:
Due to the vagaries of video card naming conventions, a GTX295 is still a competitive card and might be better than, say, a GT440. (I don't know if that specific example is actually true, but the pattern in Nvidia's pre-GTX cards worked that way, and it's probably the same now.)


Nvidia relly screwed up the naming convention on cards with their recent changeover. Basically, really oversimplifiong here, here's the model break down historically:

AS far as I am aware, there was no "geforce 1"
Geforce 2 GT and GTX
Geforce 3 GT, GTX and Ultra
Geforce 4 440gt, 4000 GT, 4200 GT, 4600 GT, 4600 GTX
Geforce 5 5600 GT, 5800 GTX, 5800 Ultra
Geforce 6 6600 GT (first of the PCI express cards), 6800 GT and GTX
Geforce 7 7600 GT 7600 GTS, 7800 GTX, 7900 GTX, 7950 GX2 dual core graphics card
Geforce 8 8200 gt, 8600 gt, 8600 gts, 8800 gt, 8800 gtx, 8800 ultra, 8900 gtx
Geforce 9 9600 gt, 9800 gt, 9800 gtx, 9800 ultra, 9800 GTX+
Geforce 10 260 GTX, 280 GTX, 280 GTX SSD, 285 GTX, 295 GTX, 295 Ultra, 295 GX2 dual core
Geforce 11 460 GTX, 480 GTX (there were no Geforce 3xx series cards produced. rumor has it they scrapped the design in favort of the fermi chips)

SO a 4xx GTX is actually and 11th generation chip, while a GT440 is actually a really old 4th generation AGP chip. Then you have the whole radeon 9800 naming convention mess on the ATI side. you almost need a manual just to figure it all out.

If you are ever curious about your video card and want to know exactly what you have in your system (ram speeds, processor, etc) run a program called GPUz. It's freeware, and will tell you exactly what specifications you have. Not all nvidia 9800 GTX's are created equil for example. Later models have a significantly faster and cooler running processor than the earliest ones.


The first GeForce

It came out around the same time as the Voodoo, the Rage, and the Savage.
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On the subject of multiple monitors, where would your character be if you're using 2 monitors? Since your char is usually in the middle...

Oh, and would 2 monitors literally cut your performance down by half? 3 monitors by 2/3?

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 3:50pm by Threx
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#15 Jul 11 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
Man, Voodoo cards, that brings back memories lol. Some of those **** things had to be plugged directly into a wall socket Smiley: lol
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I remember there was a time I went window shopping and was absolutely drooling over this.
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#17 Jul 12 2010 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
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sarsha2 wrote:


If only 1 card, we can only use 2 monitor right?



Radeon 5850 and 5870 can run 3 monitors on one card. Although one of them must use Panellink (or a Panellink -> HDMI converter)

There is also the Radeon Eyefinity series that has up to 6 outputs on a single card.

Threx wrote:
On the subject of multiple monitors, where would your character be if you're using 2 monitors? Since your char is usually in the middle...

Oh, and would 2 monitors literally cut your performance down by half? 3 monitors by 2/3?


It depends on what resolution each monitor is. There's little difference between running one monitor at 1920x1200 (2304000 pixels) and 2 monitors at 1280x960 (2457600 pixels) for example

As far as your video card is concerned a 3 monitor display is just a very wide, very high resolution monitor. There is no performance hit specifically from running multiple displays other than from the increased resolution.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 4:01am by Lobivopis
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#18 Jul 12 2010 at 1:03 AM Rating: Good
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Threx wrote:
I remember there was a time I went window shopping and was absolutely drooling over this.


I remember drooling over this. A single video card that could run THREE monitors. And for only $399!
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Man, Voodoo cards, that brings back memories lol. Some of those **** things had to be plugged directly into a wall socket Smiley: lol


Don't forget that we have the Voodoo2 to thank for coming up with the idea of multi-card output (They also called it SLI, but it stood for something different; I can't remember what their acronym was, just that it was the same three letters as nVidia's SLI)
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Lobivopis wrote:
sarsha2 wrote:


If only 1 card, we can only use 2 monitor right?



Radeon 5850 and 5870 can run 3 monitors on one card. Although one of them must use Panellink (or a Panellink -> HDMI converter)

There is also the Radeon Eyefinity series that has up to 6 outputs on a single card.

Threx wrote:
On the subject of multiple monitors, where would your character be if you're using 2 monitors? Since your char is usually in the middle...

Oh, and would 2 monitors literally cut your performance down by half? 3 monitors by 2/3?


It depends on what resolution each monitor is. There's little difference between running one monitor at 1920x1200 (2304000 pixels) and 2 monitors at 1280x960 (2457600 pixels) for example

As far as your video card is concerned a 3 monitor display is just a very wide, very high resolution monitor. There is no performance hit specifically from running multiple displays other than from the increased resolution.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 4:01am by Lobivopis



So if I were running the game on 1280x1024 res on a single monitor, and wanted to add 2 more monitors for the extra horizontal view (while leaving the vertical view at 1024), the game would be running at 3840x1024 resolution, right? And that would cut my performance down to a third of the original performance(when compared to the original 1280x1024) right?

And apart from that, anyone got any idea about my first question? :P Where would your char be if you run 2 monitors?


Edited, Jul 12th 2010 4:55am by Threx
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#21 Jul 12 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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Threx wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
sarsha2 wrote:


If only 1 card, we can only use 2 monitor right?



Radeon 5850 and 5870 can run 3 monitors on one card. Although one of them must use Panellink (or a Panellink -> HDMI converter)

There is also the Radeon Eyefinity series that has up to 6 outputs on a single card.

Threx wrote:
On the subject of multiple monitors, where would your character be if you're using 2 monitors? Since your char is usually in the middle...

Oh, and would 2 monitors literally cut your performance down by half? 3 monitors by 2/3?


It depends on what resolution each monitor is. There's little difference between running one monitor at 1920x1200 (2304000 pixels) and 2 monitors at 1280x960 (2457600 pixels) for example

As far as your video card is concerned a 3 monitor display is just a very wide, very high resolution monitor. There is no performance hit specifically from running multiple displays other than from the increased resolution.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 4:01am by Lobivopis



So if I were running the game on 1280x1024 res on a single monitor, and wanted to add 2 more monitors for the extra horizontal view (while leaving the vertical view at 1024), the game would be running at 3840x1024 resolution, right? And that would cut my performance down to a third of the original performance(when compared to the original 1280x1024) right?

And apart from that, anyone got any idea about my first question? :P Where would your char be if you run 2 monitors?


Edited, Jul 12th 2010 4:55am by Threx


My guess would be that they'd be smack in the middle of the screen.

Not a huge fan of dual monitor setups on a game where your character is in the middle, or where your aiming reticule is in the middle. Either get three or stick with one IMO.
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Threx wrote:
So if I were running the game on 1280x1024 res on a single monitor, and wanted to add 2 more monitors for the extra horizontal view (while leaving the vertical view at 1024), the game would be running at 3840x1024 resolution, right? And that would cut my performance down to a third of the original performance(when compared to the original 1280x1024) right?


Performance does not scale proportionally with increased resolution. Double the number of pixels doesn't = half the fps. The only thing you can definitively say is that the performance will be reduced by increasing the resolution. By how much depends the game and the graphics card.


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And apart from that, anyone got any idea about my first question? :P Where would your char be if you run 2 monitors?



Directly in the center.



Edited, Jul 15th 2010 2:01am by Lobivopis
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