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#1 Jul 11 2010 at 1:58 AM Rating: Good
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I hope nothing I say breaks the NDA, but here goes anyways:

I can safely say that you wont need a GTX 4xx to play FFXIV. The beta version of the game will run at mostly max FPS (it's capped at 30) with all graphical settings set to max, except for anti-aliasing which was set at 2x instead of 8x, with the following specs:

Intel Core2 Duo E8400 3.0 Ghz x2
nVidia GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB x2 SLI (though I think SLI is still not enabled in the beta, but I may be wrong).
4 GB RAM
Windows Vista 32bit

Having said that, the resolution was only 1680x1050; however that's still pretty nice considering the two year old graphics card and CPU.

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As far as I could tell, the frame rate did not drop noticeably when in large crowds, but did dip slightly when it rained. In instanced zones it was always at the cap.

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 3:59am by Mase
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#2 Jul 11 2010 at 2:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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What were your benchmark scores with that setup?
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#3 Jul 11 2010 at 2:06 AM Rating: Good
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My benchmark score for 720 was around 2800, and my score for 1080 was a little over 1600.
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#4 Jul 11 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Well my steup is almost the same as yours and i had to run the game on the lowest possible settings,lowest possible resolution and still couldnt hit 30fps, out in the open by myself it was ok, but crowded areas and in the city was a massive lag fest, dropping down to 8-12fps most of the time

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E5200 OC-ed 3.6ghz
GPU OC-ed ATI HD4850
4GB Ram
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my score on the benchmark was 2836, if you score below this number...don't bother trying to run the game, the server i was on only had like 90 people online, imagine what it'll be like when the game launches and theres 1000's
#5 Jul 11 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Did you have shadows and ambient occlusion turned on?
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I had every possible graphic setting turned OFF in the config settings..even had the resolution set to 1024x768 which is the lowest it can go, also changed the IN-GAME graphic settings...turned off physics/player shadows etc....i was pretty much running on the minimal possible settings you can force one the game, the higest my fps went was 29fps, when i was stood out in the open by myself nobody around, as soon as other people came into contact and went straight down to 15-22fps ...and in the city it was just awful lol 10-15..extremely laggy and jerky

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 5:05am by AckersFury
#7 Jul 11 2010 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, and I had shadows set on highest.
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#8 Jul 11 2010 at 3:07 AM Rating: Decent
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It seems lots of other people are having terrible results to, and some are even claiming it is running worse than the alpha. Maybe it's not such a cut-and-dry hardware issue.
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#9 Jul 11 2010 at 3:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Well i found that out in the open, fighting mobs by myself it ran better than the alpha, but crowded area's and in the city, it was pretty much the same as alpha which was terrible lol..the graphics have been improved alot and the new battle system is awesome, but the game still runs very poorly, when i ran the benchmark i NEVER once went below 30fps, i think the lowest i went was 36fps....now playing in the beta, i cant even score a steady 25fps in-game
#10 Jul 11 2010 at 3:20 AM Rating: Good
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I really don't know what to make of it myself. On a Windows 64 bit, Phenom X4 2.5 ghz, Radeon 5750, and 8GB DDR2-- a modest system, the results were spotty. With the highest possible settings it "ran" but there were times when the FPS was terrible, to the point it just seemed like perpetual lag (or maybe some of it was lag? the connection wasn't terrific). Gameplay was awfully rough though. Cutscenes, though, were beautiful. I love the ambient occlusion too, although it apparently rapes FPS. I think I would want to see how it looks at a lower resolution before I turned off the effects, myself.
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#11 Jul 11 2010 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah it seems the servers arent using much bandwidth because if you watch the send/recieve status thingy at the top, mine was only sending at 65kb? and only recieving at maybe 150kb ish, which seems pretty low, im sure it was much higher in FFXI

Oh yeah and another thing, i checked my taskmanager during gameplay, my CPU didnt go any higher than 65% usage and my system was only using 900mb of ram for the beta, seems as though the game is GPU intensive this time rather than CPU like ffxi was, i think if you have a medicore CPU but a topend GPU the game should run fine

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 5:30am by AckersFury
#12 Jul 11 2010 at 7:01 AM Rating: Default
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Bravo guys! Thanks for taking a bit of a risk (the whole disclosure thing) to share some precious info with these boards. I think my machine will run the game just fine seeing as I have no problem with playing in 720p (I remember playing my first FF game on a 13 inch black and white analog tv lol!), but I think this might put some others at ease. At least they know, as of right now at least, that many machines that we thought wouldn't run the game just might make the cut ^^
#13 Jul 11 2010 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Mase wrote:
max FPS (it's capped at 30)
¬_¬ They never learn.
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#14 Jul 11 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Mase wrote:
max FPS (it's capped at 30)
¬_¬ They never learn.


Gotta agree on this one.
#15 Jul 11 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Default
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30 fps is plenty for now. It's not an uber fast paced action game (and isn't intended to be), and it's BETA.
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I just got into PC gaming mainly because of FF14.Im lost when it come to benchmarks and all that other stuff.All i wanted to know will this pc work for this game. http://www.walmart.com/ip/iBuypower-EXTREME-WA953I/14282354?findingMethod=rr MIND U I WORK AT WALMART so i get a 10% discount thank you
#17 Jul 11 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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EvenStarzzz wrote:
I just got into PC gaming mainly because of FF14.Im lost when it come to benchmarks and all that other stuff.All i wanted to know will this pc work for this game. http://www.walmart.com/ip/iBuypower-EXTREME-WA953I/14282354?findingMethod=rr MIND U I WORK AT WALMART so i get a 10% discount thank you


Should work fine.
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#18 Jul 11 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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JayRams wrote:
30 fps is plenty for now. It's not an uber fast paced action game (and isn't intended to be), and it's BETA.
If it's locked at 30 fps now it's probably going to stay there.
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#19 Jul 11 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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If it's locked at 30 fps now it's probably going to stay there.


I see no basis for this, any more than saying "if the camera controls are goofy now they're probably going to stay goofy."
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#21 Jul 11 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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lol, is there a way to mod a PS3 and install Windows on it so you can play on PS3? >_>


I had briefly mentioned installing Linux for the purposes of running the benchmark on the PS3 for shiggles, to which someone said that you can't install Linux on PS3 anymore. If that is indeed true, then you certainly can't install Windows.
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#22 Jul 11 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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You wouldn't want to take the PC client and play it on a PS3. If the PS3 client doesn't work for PS3 yet because of RAM limitations, you'd be even worse off by running windows in the background with the PC version on the PS3.
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#23 Jul 11 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good

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lol, is there a way to mod a PS3 and install Windows on it so you can play on PS3? >_>


I had briefly mentioned installing Linux for the purposes of running the benchmark on the PS3 for shiggles, to which someone said that you can't install Linux on PS3 anymore. If that is indeed true, then you certainly can't install Windows.



It is true; SOE patched out this opton months ago, much to the annoyance of many PS3 users.

Also, 30fps is pretty standard for an MMO. In MMO terms, fps= run speed. That's how speed hacks work. They up\uncap the games fps cap. At least that's what I've always understood.
#24 Jul 11 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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30 fps is plenty for now. It's not an uber fast paced action game (and isn't intended to be), and it's BETA.

We don't really need fancy graphics either, or graphics at all for that matter (lots of people enjoy MUDs). But they're sure nice to have. The difference between 30 and 60 FPS is pretty major in any game.

I'd say this wasn't acceptable in 2001 and it definitely isn't acceptable today.

I'm not sure how set in stone this 30 FPS cap thing is. Better informed people than me say that it's probably a fundamental limit tied to timing events like movement speed. I sure hope not. The benchmark went over 30 FPS, didn't it?
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Also, 30fps is pretty standard for an MMO. In MMO terms, fps= run speed. That's how speed hacks work. They up\uncap the games fps cap. At least that's what I've always understood.


Then you've been lead astray. It may have been that way in FFXI, but that game is an exception.

Modern games (i.e. the overwhelming majority of games made within the last 10 years) have simulation decoupled from rendering, so changing the frame rate has no effect on the speed of gameplay.

As an aside, uncapping the frame rate wasn't even the primary speed-hack method in FFXI - most speed hacks just directly altered the variable controlling player speed in memory, which had the advantages of a) not requiring better video cards for faster movement, and b) working even on lower-end graphics cards which couldn't even render the game at 30 fps.
#26 Jul 11 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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If it's locked at 30 fps now it's probably going to stay there.

I see no basis for this, any more than saying "if the camera controls are goofy now they're probably going to stay goofy."

Except that locking it at 30 fps is a deliberate move requiring some effort to do, whereas messing up the camera controls is a mistake and something they'd actually work to fix. There's no reason to cap it at 30 fps for just the alpha or beta or whatever. In fact, there's no reason to cap it at 30 fps unless you use the same terrible system as FFXI, where going above 30 fps meant you'd start speed hacking.
#27 Jul 11 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Don't get your panties in a bunch over the FPS yet. Character creation can actually go to 60 FPS-- I don't know if they already planned to uncap it for retail, but I'm 100% sure that they're getting a lot of complaints.

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Bravo guys! Thanks for taking a bit of a risk (the whole disclosure thing) to share some precious info with these boards. I think my machine will run the game just fine seeing as I have no problem with playing in 720p (I remember playing my first FF game on a 13 inch black and white analog tv lol!), but I think this might put some others at ease. At least they know, as of right now at least, that many machines that we thought wouldn't run the game just might make the cut ^^


I'm not sure what you mean. I just described the performance of the game on a certain machine that I happened to see, probably at a demo or something.
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Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

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