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#1 Jul 12 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright... I'm not a tech guy at all. I played FFXI on PC from '03 until about '08, but never had a gaming setup or ran the game on extremely high settings or anything like that. It's just never been terribly important to me to have the best visuals or a perfect frame rate; my computer ran the game well enough that I could play the game well and only experience occasional lag in busy areas and that was all that I cared about. Now I was intending on playing FFXIV on PS3, but the delay means I'll pick it up and start on PC, assuming my current computer can run the game. Unfortunately, I'm among the many who are receiving errors before the benchmark program even starts, yet I do not believe it has to do with my cpu not being able to run the benchmark and has more to do with the benchmark simply not working on all machines. I don't know tech terms enough to figure out everything I need to know from running dxdiag, so I would be appreciative if someone would tell me if this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i3+Processor+-+Red/Black/9748289.p?id=1218166153790&skuId=9748289

Can run FFXIV on low settings. Again, as was the case with FFXI, I'm not one to worry about whether or not I'm getting peak visuals or a maxed out frame rate. I'm not looking for high performance, just to be ABLE to play the game until the PS3 version releases.

If it can't, what about this one: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/asus-x83vm-x2-core/4505-3121_7-33514638.html

I have that sitting around but it's so virus-laden I'll need to send it out to be fixed before I'd be able to play on it.



Edit: According to Mikhalia's "definitive why did I bomb the benchmark" post, my computer would hit a 1,994? According to the info SE released it might be able to handle it on low settings, but according to posts from others, the SE info is a little extreme and a score around 2000 isn't as bad as it sounds?

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 5:44pm by MCraine
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#2 Jul 12 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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The first system says it has "Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD" as video. Highly doubtful that system would run it at all.

The second system might manage the game on minimum settings with those specs if it were a desktop. Laptops perform lower than desktops across the board. Whereas a desktop with an i7 and a Radeon 5870 would likely score 6000-8000 on low, a laptop with an i7 and a Radeon 5870M scores around 3000.

If at all possible, I would suggest getting a desktop, not a laptop. When you're buying a laptop, you're spending MORE money for LESS performance, and you're spending WAY MORE money for the SAME performance in terms of gaming. For what a $1200 laptop could offer you, you could assemble a BETTER desktop for $800-900. I would say that a $600 desktop computer might be able to manage the game on bare minimum settings with everything turned down as far as it can go. A 850-950 laptop might be able to perform about the same.

These are a lot of "might" and "maybe" though, and all of these are rounded up to "what could go right", not "what could go wrong". When you dance around the minimum settings for a graphics intensive game, ESPECIALLY on a laptop, there is always an inherent risk that the game will run horribly even on the lowest possible settings, or not at all.

As a disclaimer: I typically don't like to suggest or recommend parts or systems unless I'm POSITIVE they will play on AT LEAST medium settings. I do not like recommending low quality parts or systems because I feel that for the amount of money you're going to spend, you're better off spending a little more and getting a product that will perform WELL than saving money on a product that will perform poorly, just for the same of having "something".

If I had to pick something, I would say go with a laptop like this and customize it with a better graphics card (you can add a Radeon 5640 for $200). Even still, I'm not totally confident this system would score much higher than an 1800 or so. Maybe. No promises.

My personal recommendation remains to get a desktop, or upgrade the parts in your current one. Lamnethx's sticky has some suggestions on that.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 7:29pm by Mikhalia
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#3 Jul 12 2010 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Do not get a laptop unless you absolutely have to. Even if it's capable of running FFXIV, you'll have to invest in a cooler to deal with the massive amounts of heat the video card will generate, which even with a cooler will likely shorten your hardware's lifespan considerably.
#4 Jul 12 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I'm not looking to purchase either of those laptops; I own both, though the second - as I said - is not functioning currently. I wanted to see if it was possible to run the game with minimum settings on either. I'm not really looking to purchase a cpu for the game, since I had been intending to play on PS3 and am still likely going to play on PS3 come March. I wanted to find out if I could get in the game at all with what I currently have.

If I can't I might consider buying a new cpu, but even then, it would pretty much have to be a laptop; desktop is simply not practical at this point in time - I'm sharing a house at school with 4 of my teammates and there's no room for a desk/laptop in my small room. I wouldn't buy a desktop to keep elsewhere in the house because I wouldn't want to make that kind of investment only to have my friends using it to do god knows what when I'm not around or having drunk people ***** with it whenever the hockey team has a party (always at our place since we have the only house and there's 5 of us living there already).

If neither of the two computers can run the game I might consider purchasing a higher powered cpu at the end of summer since I'm making good money, but I still wouldn't want to go crazy. Can somebody who is significantly more tech-savvy than myself recommend some laptops that might be able to score around 3500 on the benchmark? I'd still like to keep the cost down as much as possible (though I understand what Mikhaila was saying about paying more for less in a notebook - it's unfortunately my only practical option so I'll have to pay up somewhat) so if anyone can point out machines that will simply get the job done well without really going overboard or into any kind of "extra" territory I would be most appreciative of the help. I'm sorry to rely on the forums for this kind of advice but while I'm an avid FFXI/future FFXIV person, I'm not so good with the technical aspects of computer... stuff. Thanks a ton for any advice ahead of time.
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My best advice. Wait until the first week of the game and see if it is optimized enough for you to run it. Laptops are a big investment if you're doing it for gaming and want a cheap one that would run the game. Have you ran the benchmark on both computers? Does it lag like go, stop, go, stop?
#6 Jul 12 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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MCraine wrote:
Well I'm not looking to purchase either of those laptops; I own both, though the second - as I said - is not functioning currently. I wanted to see if it was possible to run the game with minimum settings on either. I'm not really looking to purchase a cpu for the game, since I had been intending to play on PS3 and am still likely going to play on PS3 come March. I wanted to find out if I could get in the game at all with what I currently have.

If I can't I might consider buying a new cpu, but even then, it would pretty much have to be a laptop; desktop is simply not practical at this point in time - I'm sharing a house at school with 4 of my teammates and there's no room for a desk/laptop in my small room. I wouldn't buy a desktop to keep elsewhere in the house because I wouldn't want to make that kind of investment only to have my friends using it to do god knows what when I'm not around or having drunk people ***** with it whenever the hockey team has a party (always at our place since we have the only house and there's 5 of us living there already).

If neither of the two computers can run the game I might consider purchasing a higher powered cpu at the end of summer since I'm making good money, but I still wouldn't want to go crazy. Can somebody who is significantly more tech-savvy than myself recommend some laptops that might be able to score around 3500 on the benchmark? I'd still like to keep the cost down as much as possible (though I understand what Mikhaila was saying about paying more for less in a notebook - it's unfortunately my only practical option so I'll have to pay up somewhat) so if anyone can point out machines that will simply get the job done well without really going overboard or into any kind of "extra" territory I would be most appreciative of the help. I'm sorry to rely on the forums for this kind of advice but while I'm an avid FFXI/future FFXIV person, I'm not so good with the technical aspects of computer... stuff. Thanks a ton for any advice ahead of time.


If you want to score around 3500 on the benchmark, you're probably not getting a laptop, and if you get a laptop, you're probably not going to be scoring around 3500 on the benchmark. The highest laptop score I've seen was in the low 3000s, and that was with a pretty high end laptop.

This one has a GTX 480M and an i7, will run you about $2200 and will PROBABLY get you between 2800 and 3200 on the benchmark (on low). Maybe.

A desktop that will score 3500-4000ish will run you around 1000ish retail, 600-800 DIY; less depending on any parts you might already have.

If you absolutely positively must get a laptop, you're probably looking at $1200ish just to get over 1500 on the benchmark (minimum required to even run the game at all).
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#7 Jul 12 2010 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, the Asus MIGHT do it. The Samsung has intel integrated graphics, and those onboard GFX chipsets really aren't performance oriented at all.

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Do not get a laptop unless you absolutely have to. Even if it's capable of running FFXIV, you'll have to invest in a cooler to deal with the massive amounts of heat the video card will generate, which even with a cooler will likely shorten your hardware's lifespan considerably.


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If you want to score around 3500 on the benchmark, you're probably not getting a laptop, and if you get a laptop, you're probably not going to be scoring around 3500 on the benchmark. The highest laptop score I've seen was in the low 3000s, and that was with a pretty high end laptop.


To both of these:

The Asus G73JH series gaming notebook:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220695&cm_re=G73JH-_-34-220-695-_-Product

1) Has EXCELLENT cooling
2) Is around $1400-$1600 depending on version and vendor
3) Scores in the 3700s on the 720 benchmark, 2100ish [and I've heard some people are able to push this up to 2300ish] on the 1080 benchmark.

This isn't 2nd hand information. I *own* this notebook. I've run Dirt 2 and ME2 @ max settings for hours at a time with no cooler,and no temp issues, and the 3700/2100 scores are my personal results. Granted, according to SE's benchmark scoring system the G73 is only in the middle of the performance zone, but that's still phenominal for a notebook computer.

I can't lie though. I have a wishlist printed out from newegg for a new desktop build ready and waiting if I somehow magically come up with about $1100. While I'm fairly confident that game requirements are not going to be quite as strict when the actual game when it comes out, I love the image of having a machine that will run FFXIV like most machines run solitaire.





Edited, Jul 13th 2010 12:27am by seneleron
#8 Sep 26 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm using GT220 Graphics card anyone know if it will run the game.
SPECS:
Windows 7 64Bit
Intel core 2 Quad processor Q8300
NVIDIA GeForce GT220 1024MB
1 TB HDD
6GB DDR2.
So far all I can see is a problem with the card but I'm not sure.If someone could help me out with some info b4 I go and get the game or a new card
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