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#1 Jul 12 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive been planning on building new pc for over a year now, and im finally rdy. Ive been reading up on all the configurations on here, and am decently knowledgeable on most of the new tech, but I would really apprecaite if one of you expert pc guys could personally help me build a desktop for FF14. Im rdy to buy today and looking to spend between 900 - 1200 $. I do not need monitor.

Ive been messing around with configs on cyberpowerpc.com for a few months now, but im just a very indecisive person when it comes to $$, so I could really use some help from a "smarter" person than me lol, b4 I waste 1000$ and end up making some tiny yet huge error with the hardware. Please feel free to message me or reply with any advice, or if you need my email to contact me just let me know.

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and a huge 28 GB hard drive
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I would recommend not going through cyberpower to get your PC... they tend to use cheap parts and their customer service is terrible... I've heard of a lot of people getting computers that didn't work. I'll admit, their reseller rating is higher than it was just last year, but I wouldn't trust any company that doesn't tell you what brand they're going to use for parts since the brand would make a HUGE difference in what you're actually getting... IE: 'Major Brand powered by Company'... here's the reseller rating...

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/CyberPower

I would personally recommend going through AVADirect... they use quality parts, allow you to choose the brand you'd like to use, they actually quality check AND they keep in contact with you. Overall they are a much more reputable company than cyberpower and the prices are ALMOST the same. Here's the reseller rating.

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/AVA_Direct

If you have any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to help as best I can. Have fun building your computer!
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#3 Jul 12 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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Short Version: Quad Core processor or better, GeForce 4XX or Radeon 57XX or better, 550W Power Supply (higher depending on GPU)
Shorter version: The sticky has all the information you need, and is a sticky for a reason.
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Thanks , but the sticky isnt very helpful to be honest. I guess ill try to put together some configs from Avadirect and maybe post on here for opinion. Just trying to build something that will run ff14 well, not EXTREME , and be a quality pc , easy 2 update for awhile.
#5 Jul 12 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks , but the sticky isnt very helpful to be honest. I guess ill try to put together some configs from Avadirect and maybe post on here for opinion. Just trying to build something that will run ff14 well, not EXTREME , and be a quality pc , easy 2 update for awhile.


The sticky is pretty helpful. Just google some of the parts listed there. You will get a good idea of how much you will need to spend. Also, most of the stuff in the sticky IS just to get FFXIV to run.
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I hate to keep bothering you guys, but im really getting frustrated trying to put together a Desktop. On avadirect i get confused from so many choices, and end up going over what I want to spend, and on cyberpowerpc It seems I can get a good price going but im not so sure about the quality.

I Want to spend Under 1300$ for sure, maybe you guys could give me ideas of exactly what I want? Im trying to go for an i-7 920 or 930, a ATI rad 5850, 6gb memory, and a 1tb hard drive. But i get all mixed up not knowing if power supply is ok , which motherboard to choose, do I need cpu coolers, and does a good network card help me in any way? ALso how important is a sound card?

so sorry Im such a tech newb, I just only have 1 chance to build this and I want to build it right. Maybe someone could put together a scenario for me from one of these sites on what they would do with about 1250$ Dont need monitor. thanks to neone who can help me
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HIGHTONE wrote:
I hate to keep bothering you guys, but im really getting frustrated trying to put together a Desktop. On avadirect i get confused from so many choices, and end up going over what I want to spend, and on cyberpowerpc It seems I can get a good price going but im not so sure about the quality.

I Want to spend Under 1300$ for sure, maybe you guys could give me ideas of exactly what I want? Im trying to go for an i-7 920 or 930, a ATI rad 5850, 6gb memory, and a 1tb hard drive. But i get all mixed up not knowing if power supply is ok , which motherboard to choose, do I need cpu coolers, and does a good network card help me in any way? ALso how important is a sound card?

so sorry Im such a tech newb, I just only have 1 chance to build this and I want to build it right. Maybe someone could put together a scenario for me from one of these sites on what they would do with about 1250$ Dont need monitor. thanks to neone who can help me


Most motherboards these days come with 7.1 HD audio surround and most modern day GPUs actually will come with 7.1 HD audio built into the HDMI. Unless you have a receiver and BADASS 7.1 surround do not worry about sound cards.

Personally, I would drop to the 1156 architecture and get an i750. XIV and just about any other game will only use 4 cores, the extra cores would only be helpful for multiple programs being open at once (and even at that the game isn't CPU intensive enough where 4 cores will significantly slow it down). Any 1156 architecture board will work for your core i5.


For the most part any 650w power supply should be efficient enough, just make sure to have at least 45 amp rating on the +12v rail.

Here is a pretty decent system from around $1100:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128425
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171052
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161331
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137


Grand Total: $1,110.44 (this is with 9.25% CA sales tax and shipping)


~6000 on Low
~4300 on High

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 6:29pm by burtonsnow
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HIGHTONE wrote:
I hate to keep bothering you guys, but im really getting frustrated trying to put together a Desktop. On avadirect i get confused from so many choices, and end up going over what I want to spend, and on cyberpowerpc It seems I can get a good price going but im not so sure about the quality.

I Want to spend Under 1300$ for sure, maybe you guys could give me ideas of exactly what I want? Im trying to go for an i-7 920 or 930, a ATI rad 5850, 6gb memory, and a 1tb hard drive. But i get all mixed up not knowing if power supply is ok , which motherboard to choose, do I need cpu coolers, and does a good network card help me in any way? ALso how important is a sound card?

so sorry Im such a tech newb, I just only have 1 chance to build this and I want to build it right. Maybe someone could put together a scenario for me from one of these sites on what they would do with about 1250$ Dont need monitor. thanks to neone who can help me


I configured this on CyberPowerPC. I must say that I'm not really happy with the fact that I had to go with a PSU of a brand I wasn't familiar with (XtremeGear; never heard of them, there was a Thermaltake option I wanted to go with instead but it would have cost more)

There were a couple free upgrades here and there that you may with to go through yourself and decide if you want.

I started here and made the following changes:
Upgraded RAM from 3 GB to 6 GB
Upgraded video from GT 220 to Radeon 5850
Upgraded PSU from 450W to 700W (Thermaltake 750W is 88 bucks if you want to upgrade it further)
Upgraded OS from "Format Hard Drive Only" to Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit

Left everything else as-is.


* *BASE_PRICE: [+819]
* CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-930 2.80 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1366
* HDD: 1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
* MOTHERBOARD: (3-Way SLI Support) MSI X58 Pro-E Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFire DDR3 Mainboard
* MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1333MHz Triple Channel Memory [+74] (Corsair or Major Brand)
* OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)
* POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts - XtremeGear SLI/CrossFireX Ready Power Supply [+36]
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card [+262] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

* _PRICE: (+1295)

I still find myself needing to state, for the record, that you would save money if you bought the parts and built it yourself, but if you would just prefer to buy it as-is, this is what you asked for (1 TB HD, 6 GB RAM, Radeon 5850, i7 930, decent PSU) for under $1300 (barely)
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Do not skimp on your power supply. I cannot stress this enough.

I strongly advise you to find a real life friend who is good with computers (I mean building them and installing OS, configuring bios, etc, not just "omgz i ownz teh interwebz!) who can help you put one together, and just order the parts. You will spend as little as 1/2-2/3 for a better rig and you actually KNOW what you're getting.

Do you have an OS, HDD, and case already? You have a computer that you use to post on these boards I'm guessing? Or do you borrow one?
If you have one already..


CPU: i7 930 ~ 289.99
MOBO: P6x58D-E ~ 239.99
RAM: G.skill Trident 6GB ~ 184.99
PSU: Corsair 850HX ~ 149.99
GPU: Nvidia GTX 480 ~ 459.99
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GPU: ATI HD 5870 ~ 409.99

Nvidia setup: 1324.98
ATI setup: 1274.95

And this would be a very good setup. You could easily shave off a few hundred if you wanted to switch out brands, or go with a slightly less powerful GPU, etc.

Also, in a year or two, you can just toss another GPU in there for SLI or Crossfire, and OC the processor (i7930s tend to OC like a beast from my experience).






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Very good suggestions, I will consider putting it together myself, im sure it cant be that complicated, but most likely I will just have built for me from one of these sites. Also, no I only have monitor I plan on using, Nothing else on this old machine I even want to touch again.
Think ill put together something based on Fetters reply but with cheaper GPU, im not sure I trust Cyberpowerpc enough to build from there.
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Fetter wrote:
Do not skimp on your power supply. I cannot stress this enough.

I strongly advise you to find a real life friend who is good with computers (I mean building them and installing OS, configuring bios, etc, not just "omgz i ownz teh interwebz!) who can help you put one together, and just order the parts. You will spend as little as 1/2-2/3 for a better rig and you actually KNOW what you're getting.

Do you have an OS, HDD, and case already? You have a computer that you use to post on these boards I'm guessing? Or do you borrow one?
If you have one already..


CPU: i7 930 ~ 289.99
MOBO: P6x58D-E ~ 239.99
RAM: G.skill Trident 6GB ~ 184.99
PSU: Corsair 850HX ~ 149.99
GPU: Nvidia GTX 480 ~ 459.99
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GPU: ATI HD 5870 ~ 409.99

Nvidia setup: 1324.98
ATI setup: 1274.95

And this would be a very good setup. You could easily shave off a few hundred if you wanted to switch out brands, or go with a slightly less powerful GPU, etc.

Also, in a year or two, you can just toss another GPU in there for SLI or Crossfire, and OC the processor (i7930s tend to OC like a beast from my experience).






Edited, Jul 13th 2010 11:06pm by Fetter



I've said it once and I'll say it again:

If you want to save some money go with the i5 750. IMO they overclock about the same and run slightly cooler than the i7 930. The performance difference is going to be pretty much negligible in game and it is $100 more!

More than 4GB is really trivial as well...with a game, MSI afterburner, media monkey and firefox open i'm only at about 2.2GB usage.

If you are not going to go crossfire or SLI in the future, 650W should be WAY MORE than enough. More important than getting 800+ watts is making sure your 12v Rail supports your GPU (the 460 runs on 24A for the +12v rail, whereas the 480 runs 42A on the +12v rail).
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HIGHTONE wrote:
Very good suggestions, I will consider putting it together myself, im sure it cant be that complicated, but most likely I will just have built for me from one of these sites. Also, no I only have monitor I plan on using, Nothing else on this old machine I even want to touch again.
Think ill put together something based on Fetters reply but with cheaper GPU, im not sure I trust Cyberpowerpc enough to build from there.



Please reconsider a couple of the parts he chose for you. If you are building this machine for XIV specifically I would really suggest taking a look at the parts I posted, otherwise some of the parts are OVERKILL and will not add the performance increase you would expect for the increase in price.


I do agree with him that if you know some really computer savvy friends, get them to help you out with the process and build (although with a day or two of research most people can pick up the skills required to build their own PC).

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 7:22pm by burtonsnow
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If you are not going to go crossfire or SLI in the future, 650W should be WAY MORE than enough. More important than getting 800+ watts is making sure your 12v Rail supports your GPU (the 460 runs on 24A for the +12v rail, whereas the 480 runs 42A on the +12v rail).


This.

12V rail amperage is infinitely more important than PSU wattage. I agree not to skimp on wattage and wouldn't reccomend a 400-500W PSU for a 58XX and an i7 for sure, but I think an 850W is overkill unless you're overclocking.
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HIGHTONE wrote:
Very good suggestions, I will consider putting it together myself, im sure it cant be that complicated, but most likely I will just have built for me from one of these sites. Also, no I only have monitor I plan on using, Nothing else on this old machine I even want to touch again.
Think ill put together something based on Fetters reply but with cheaper GPU, im not sure I trust Cyberpowerpc enough to build from there.



Please reconsider a couple of the parts he chose for you. If you are building this machine for XIV specifically I would really suggest taking a look at the parts I posted, otherwise some of the parts are OVERKILL and will not add the performance increase you would expect for the increase in price.


I do agree with him that if you know some really computer savvy friends, get them to help you out with the process and build (although with a day or two of research most people can pick up the skills required to build their own PC).

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 7:22pm by burtonsnow


If you're feeling frisky, http://www.kitchentablecomputers.com/assemble.php

If you don't like that, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+build+a+computer+with+pictures

Again, if you still feel absolutely uncomfortable with the idea and have no friends who are able to do it, you can buy a retail system.
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When I said not to skimp on the power supply, I was talking quality, not wattage.

Low quality power supply is a bricked rig waiting to happen. The reason I suggested the Corsair HX850 was because 1) This range of this brand is considered one of the most trusted, most reliable on the market, and 2) If he decides to OC, crossfire/SLI, etc, then he will have the headroom to do so.

And yes, this rig is a bit overkill (unless you believe the benchmark) for most gaming. I run something similar, only I have the Asus Rampage III Extreme mobo instead, and have to also push 2 monitors, one of them being a 30" Dell 3008WFP.

The overall point is, don't spend $1300 on a piece of crap pre built computer when you can spend the same amount and get a real beast, if you just build it yourself.
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If you're going to SLI/Xfire a couple GTX480s or 5870s and overclock both of them, as well as overclock the CPU to about 4Ghz...what Wattage would be recommended? 1000+? And would the 45A+ requirement on the 12V rail remain the same?
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Threx wrote:
If you're going to SLI/Xfire a couple GTX480s or 5870s and overclock both of them, as well as overclock the CPU to about 4Ghz...what Wattage would be recommended? 1000+? And would the 45A+ requirement on the 12V rail remain the same?


It is hard to say exactly...there are a lot of other variables that come into play.

5870s require less wattage so I would say you can probably get by with a good 850W with 2 GPU. 12v amperage doesn't change much with a second card and you'll hang around 55A on the 12v rail. 480s I would say no less than 1000W and 70A.

I use extreme PSU calculator Pro, but there is also a free one you can use for getting recommended wattage (but the free doesn't include the 12v rails). The system specs are below both tests:

ATI Radeon 5870 wrote:

Minimum PSU Wattage: 652 W
Recommended PSU Wattage: 702 W
Amperage (combined)

+3.3V +5V +12V
9.8 A 14.7 A 49.7 A

Minimum UPS rating: 1003 VA
Recommended UPS rating: ** 1200 VA




Nvidia GTX 460 wrote:
Minimum PSU Wattage: 832 W
Recommended PSU Wattage: 882 W

Amperage (combined)

+3.3V +5V +12V
9.8 A 14.7 A 64.7 A

Minimum UPS rating: 1260 VA
Recommended UPS rating: ** 1500 VA


These results are with one SATA HD, one DVD Burner, 3 sticks DDR3, 4 USB devices, 6 case fans, 20% capacitor aging, 90% Load, 90% CPU TDP, and an overclock of 3.8Ghz with a 1.3Core Voltage (1.37 is stock).

With all components at 100% load (which probably never happens) the 5870 hits 774 W 55A, the 480 hits 974 W 74A. I should also add the PSU Calc does not account for any OC you perform on the GPU, so add another 50W or so if you plan on doing that just to be safe.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 12:57pm by burtonsnow
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Ne thoughts on how a single ATI 5850 would be vs SLI 2 new GTX 460s?
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One overclocked GTX 460 performs close to a single 5850 that isn't overclocked.

So I guess it's logical to assume two overclocked GTX 460s would beat the crap out of any 5850.
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You could try getting an AMD Phenomo II X2 550 Black edition. it's a dual core processor for under 100 dollars with 2 dormant cores inside... and with an asus motherboard you can unlock the dormant cores pretty easily... might need something better than the heatsink and fan it came with though. if you don't want to spend too much money and you find a compatible asus motherboard that unlocks the cores. Graphics wise i say look into radeons 5700 series. pretty solid bang for your buck and they'll last you a while.

just my opinion though.
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Threx do u remember me from Caitsith? Werent we in exile together for a bit?
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Yah, I remember you. That Goldsmithing BST with relic weapon. :)

But I was never in Exile though. I was in Summit/Millennium the entire time.
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#23 Jul 15 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Senothen wrote:
You could try getting an AMD Phenomo II X2 550 Black edition. it's a dual core processor for under 100 dollars with 2 dormant cores inside... and with an asus motherboard you can unlock the dormant cores pretty easily... might need something better than the heatsink and fan it came with though. if you don't want to spend too much money and you find a compatible asus motherboard that unlocks the cores. Graphics wise i say look into radeons 5700 series. pretty solid bang for your buck and they'll last you a while.

just my opinion though.


I don't know why people keep recommending dual core processors for a game that will make use of a quad core. Anyone who is buying a new processor for XIV and buys a dual core is shooting themselves in the foot. Quad is the way to go.
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Senothen wrote:
You could try getting an AMD Phenomo II X2 550 Black edition. it's a dual core processor for under 100 dollars with 2 dormant cores inside... and with an asus motherboard you can unlock the dormant cores pretty easily... might need something better than the heatsink and fan it came with though. if you don't want to spend too much money and you find a compatible asus motherboard that unlocks the cores. Graphics wise i say look into radeons 5700 series. pretty solid bang for your buck and they'll last you a while.

just my opinion though.


I don't know why people keep recommending dual core processors for a game that will make use of a quad core. Anyone who is buying a new processor for XIV and buys a dual core is shooting themselves in the foot. Quad is the way to go.


I think he means there are two additional dormant cores apart from the 2 active cores, and there's a way to unlock them. But I know nothing about this.
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