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#1 Jul 12 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi,

Is it a known fact that FFXIV will be utilizing more than two cores or so? Most games don't benefit from using more than two cores really right now, but the AMD Phenom's are benching really high scores. He has the 6 x 2.8, a radeon 5770, 4 gb of ram. I bought the radeon 5850 icooler turbo video card, I have 5 gb of available ram, and I'm looking into buying a duo 3.2, and eventually overclocking it to 3.9. My question is, is he going to out perform me most likely? If the game is using mostly 2 cores, and his are both 2.8, potentially using some of a third..how will that outpace two of mine going at 3.9 ghz? We've been bickering at this quite a while, I can do some hardware repairs, am OK with computers, and he doesn't know much hands on stuff, but is reading a lot more daily.

Your opinion?

PS: Ran benchmark with an older duo core 2.6 and a radeon 8800 gts, and got 2000 or so. Replaced with said video card above and only had 2400 or so. I figure going from an older model to a more efficient duo core (I've read 10-15% better from the get go because of design) to a 3.9 would make a ton of difference. But would it make the 2400 to 5000+ difference I'm seeking?

PPS: Was under the impression that 6 core processors were mainly for video editing and image rendering.

#2 Jul 12 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Your machine should outpace his on the High test and on the low test (but only slightly). Low is CPU intensive, High is GPU intensive. Either way his GPU will be limiting him for all the tests.

Personally if you can afford a quad core I would recommend going that route. If dual core is the best you can afford, OC to anything 3.2Ghz and above and you shouldn't have a problem.

check out this post:

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94743

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 7:30pm by burtonsnow
#3 Jul 12 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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This game does make use of up to 4 cores, and I would say it is recommended if you're going to play on high resolution and settings.
An AMD 6 core is a waste of money, as they perform worse than their i7 counterparts from intel.
At the moment the game isn't very well optimized, so it's hard to say if your 5850 will make up for using a dual core, but I would expect that you would score similarly at best.
Give it some time if you can, and wait to see how people's pcs perform after some optimization has been made.
At the moment, everyone is experiencing stuttering, which is either a server issue or a serious design issue.

Your new dual core system will run the game, and probably at high settings with the overclock, but right now we're seeing games shift towards a quad core recommendation, so I can't really recommend buying a dual core any more.
#4 Jul 12 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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PS: Ran benchmark with an older duo core 2.6 and a radeon 8800 gts, and got 2000 or so. Replaced with said video card above and only had 2400 or so. I figure going from an older model to a more efficient duo core (I've read 10-15% better from the get go because of design) to a 3.9 would make a ton of difference. But would it make the 2400 to 5000+ difference I'm seeking?


Did you mean a nvidia 8800 gts type card? Because I don't think I have ever heard of a radeon 8800 gts card..

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 4:48pm by BizzyMe
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#5 Jul 12 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, typo, screwed up. Thanks for the help. Any suggestions off of new egg for a good intel 4 core processor that doesn't break the bank? I'd like to overclock it as well if possible.
#6 Jul 12 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Ideally you want an i5 750, which is about $200 off newegg. Keep in mind intel's new processors are on different socket types from the old LGA775 core2 series, so you need to get a new motherboard and DDR3 ram to use them.
If you live in the US, look for a microcenter by you. They sell i5 750's for cheap, and even i7 930s for quite cheap.
If that's not an option, look for some combos on newegg to try and bring the cost down a bit. You can definitely find a CPU/motherboard combo.

If you can't afford the proper upgrade right now (admittedly, about $400) you don't have many options for core2quads, but this is probably the best choice
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115057
Spending any more on a core2 processor would be foolish, as you would be spending almost as much as the full upgrade, and I'm sure this processor will play the game well.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 8:18pm by Loaffy
#7 Jul 12 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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This is the duo I was looking at :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116370

yeah I know microcenter...went to the in the chicago area and bought my video card there.

But I definitely need a new motherboard/ram eh? Is the quad core as easily overclocked as the other?

Thanks

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 8:41pm by EladTSP
#8 Jul 12 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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Definitely quad core. If you were going to say "Quad i5 vs Phenom II X6" then I'd say to go for the i5, but I'd take any quad core over any dual core.
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#9 Jul 12 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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You need a new motherboard/ram if you want to go for the newest series of processors from intel, the i3/i5/i7 series.
The Core 2 Quad Q8400 should be very overclockable, reviews on newegg claim to have gotten it up to 3.46ghz on air. Generally Intel processors are quite reliable for overclocking, although you need to make sure your motherboard is alright too. You should be able to run the game no problem even without an overclock, though.
#10 Jul 12 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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If you want to save a hundred or so you could look into the AMD Athlon II x4 line of CPUs. I purchased the AMD Athlon II x4 640 yesterday for $120.00. The only thing is, it doesn't have a L3 Cache. But it's still an extra $100.00 to put towards other upgrades. There's also a chance that the 630/635/640 were processed on a Deneb chip meaning it is possible that you can unlock the L3 cache and turn it into a Phenom II. I know the Athlon II x4 640 is really close in benchmarks to the Phenom II x4 910/945 minus the L3 cache.

But yes definitely Quad Core is looking to be the standard. Good luck!
#11 Jul 12 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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The game seems to utilize all cores, BUT...it doesnt use 100% cpu power...the game is GPU dependent, im running a core2duo clocked at 3.6ghz and it only uses 65% of my cpu...but it uses 95-99% of my gpu...so your graphics card is definetly the most important, thats not to say a low quality cpu will be fine, but the cpu will only take you so far, a beefy gpu will take you ALOT further
#12 Jul 12 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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AckersFury wrote:
The game seems to utilize all cores, BUT...it doesnt use 100% cpu power...
It does when you're doing a version update. ¬_¬
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#13 Jul 12 2010 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Not only that but there is also a lot of math involved when building a computer. For example you have a 3.0GHz processor that is basically 15 x 200MHz. So you have a 200 MHz Bus. But for memory to match it is basically doubled from what I understand so you would want DDR/2/3-400MHz memory to match your processor. Now if your motherboard runs memory in dual-channel, than you would want DDR/2/3-800MHz. There's a lot of math if you really want to be efficient with your system and not go overboard on a lot of parts that your motherboard/CPU/GPU etc might not be able to make 100% use of. Just do the research so you don't overspend and only get like 70% efficiency cause you are bottle necked somewhere. My current system is already bottle necked because my RAM will be running in DDR2-533MHz and I really need it to be 800MHz ;; But I will change that before September.
#14 Jul 12 2010 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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still shopping around but I'm thinking this right now because it seems like a pretty good deal.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0314456

Opinions on a good motherboard? I wouldn't even know where to start..

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 10:44pm by EladTSP
#15 Jul 12 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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That's a great deal on the i7 930, but a poor choice of RAM for several reasons.
Anyways, LGA1366 (the socket type for an i7 930) Motherboards are a bit pricey, but here's a moderately priced option from a good brand:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130227

there's also an open box version for about $40 cheaper:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130227R
but you always take a chance with open box items, although you can return them for a refund to newegg.

With the i7 930, you should buy "triple channel" RAM. Basically, instead of going by multiples of two (2 x 1 GB, or 2 x 2GB, etc.) you use RAM in multiples of 3 (3 x 1GB, 3 x 2GB).
That said, here's some RAM that would work with the above motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231223
G. Skill is a pretty popular brand, by the way. Their products are usually rated number one on newegg.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 2:13am by Loaffy
#16 Jul 12 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Just wanted to add to this thread I ordered my newegg parts, case/PSU/CPU/PSU/thermal paste from there yesterday at around 3pm. It is midnight and the case is already in Florida state coming from Tennessee and the rest of the items are also in Florida coming from New Jersey. UPS is fast as @#%^. I chose the 3 day delivery and all the parts will most likely be here by 5pm today :D Oh. Rushed Processing doesn't do much honestly. I didn't choose it yesterday but my previous order I did. Use it to support New Egg if you want.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 12:36am by Excenmille
#17 Jul 12 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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An AMD 6 core is a waste of money, as they perform worse than their i7 counterparts from intel.


You forgot to mention that Intel chips also run generally 2x or more in price as well.

Honestly any AMD chip will do the game nice, plus if you feel the chip isn't "keeping up" AMD chips also overclock very easy even on air cooling setups.

Not a AMD fanboy but when I can buy a chip for $100 and get 4.0Ghz out of it, money well spent in my opinion.

If you do go AMD and overclock, remember that Phenom class chips to overclock well you also need to overclock your Northbridge to get any actual performance otherwise you bottleneck then have stability issues anything above a 15% increase.

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#18 Jul 12 2010 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
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Loaffy wrote:
With the i7 930, you have to buy "triple channel" RAM. Basically, instead of going by multiples of two (2 x 1 GB, or 2 x 2GB, etc.) you use RAM in multiples of 3 (3 x 1GB, 3 x 2GB).


You don't HAVE to use triple channel ram. You can but you don't have to.
#19 Jul 13 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
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An AMD 6 core is a waste of money, as they perform worse than their i7 counterparts from intel.


You forgot to mention that Intel chips also run generally 2x or more in price as well.

Honestly any AMD chip will do the game nice, plus if you feel the chip isn't "keeping up" AMD chips also overclock very easy even on air cooling setups.

Not a AMD fanboy but when I can buy a chip for $100 and get 4.0Ghz out of it, money well spent in my opinion.



I'm not saying AMD in general is a waste, but their 6 cores are the same price as i7s that perform better in almost every application (including games).
AMD is good in the budget range, i.e. the phenom II 955/965, though.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 2:27am by Loaffy
#20 Jul 13 2010 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for all the help, either continue this or let it die, but I'm pretty satisfied. I might wait a little bit and see how things go before plopping down 350-400 for ram/processor/motherboard when in a year or two games might be nudging more for quad core..at which point these items will either be cheaper (hopefully), or something else will be out. I might decide my 3.9 x 2 and my radeon 5850 turbo are fine, I'll sleep on it. Thanks again
#21 Jul 13 2010 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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xXBijiontXx wrote:
remember that Phenom class chips to overclock well you also need to overclock your Northbridge to get any actual performance


How do you do this? :)
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#23 Jul 13 2010 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Cool, thanks for the link. Never knew about that. :)
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#24 Jul 13 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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You might also want to consider higher speed rated ram to ease overclocking efforts. 1333 or 1600 ram isn't really much more expensive in my experience and the somewhat looser timings will be made up by the overall higher speed.
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