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#1 Jul 12 2010 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Title pretty much sums it up. I have 3 options I'm looking at:

1. Dual 1G GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD 5670 Crossfire Enabled.
2. Single 1G GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD 5870.
3. Single NVidea GeForce GTX 460.

Cost not being a concern, would it be wiser to go w/ the dual 5670's or one of the other options? I'm not a computer wiz, so I'm not completely sure which would be the better option.

Thanks for the help.
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#3 Jul 12 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
Honestly, i think you'd get better results from dual 5670's. It may not be much better than the single gtx 460 though. Honestly, i had pretty good success from a single ATI HD 5700 series card then i thought i would. Just throwing that out there.
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Thx for the link and the quick responses. I appreciate the info.
#5 Jul 12 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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the HD5870 will smoke the other 2 options, 5670's are low budget, i wouldnt bother with them....the 460 GTX is a very good card for the price, but if money is no issue, then 5870 all the way!
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My advice: Never go for crossfire or sli setups. It's not worth it at all. 5870 > 460 though.

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#7 Jul 12 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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BnBurns2000 wrote:
Title pretty much sums it up. I have 3 options I'm looking at:

1. Dual 1G GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD 5670 Crossfire Enabled.
2. Single 1G GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD 5870.
3. Single NVidea GeForce GTX 460.

Cost not being a concern, would it be wiser to go w/ the dual 5670's or one of the other options? I'm not a computer wiz, so I'm not completely sure which would be the better option.

Thanks for the help.


http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

5870 > 460 > 5670x2
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#8 Jul 12 2010 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
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If money is no object get two 5870 and leave it at that.

Otherwise get a 5870, single GPUs are generally better than two GPUs.
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Where does the 460 stand on that list?
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Well its not on the list yet, but when its added it should be between the HD5830 and the HD 5850
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I don't have any first-hand experience with SLI/Crossfire, although I've heard that it doesn't double the performance of a single GPU. The extra GPU only increases the overall performance by about 30%. Can anyone confirm this?
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#12 Jul 13 2010 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Always get the fastest single gpu card you can afford imo.
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#13 Jul 13 2010 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Here is a good web site for that kind of information. The numbers at the top are for crosfire or sli. Keep in mind the heat and power requirements for the higher end cards. The 400s are heat monsters. You may want to look into 3rd party cooling options for them.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics-charts-high-quality/Sum-of-FPS-Benchmarks-1920x1200,2262.html

The 5870 is very long for a card so make sure it fits in your computer.

Power consumption is something to always take into account.
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Threx wrote:
I don't have any first-hand experience with SLI/Crossfire, although I've heard that it doesn't double the performance of a single GPU. The extra GPU only increases the overall performance by about 30%. Can anyone confirm this?


nvidia actually does this right, SLI performance is usually scaled to near 100%. There are a few games where it's only 60ish, but at the very least the GTX 400 series scare superbly well. ATI is catching up with crossfire scaling, but I think it will be a bit longer. With the release of the GTX 460 (and the rumored price drops on the horizon after the scheduled "shortage" of them), there is now an affordable SLI solution that supports DX11 and should support massive tessalation. Right now it's about 450 bones for 2 460s, I haven't seen a bench yet but they should trounce a stock single 480 and have much shallower power requirements.
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Threx wrote:
I don't have any first-hand experience with SLI/Crossfire, although I've heard that it doesn't double the performance of a single GPU. The extra GPU only increases the overall performance by about 30%. Can anyone confirm this?


nvidia actually does this right, SLI performance is usually scaled to near 100%. There are a few games where it's only 60ish, but at the very least the GTX 400 series scare superbly well. ATI is catching up with crossfire scaling, but I think it will be a bit longer. With the release of the GTX 460 (and the rumored price drops on the horizon after the scheduled "shortage" of them), there is now an affordable SLI solution that supports DX11 and should support massive tessalation. Right now it's about 450 bones for 2 460s, I haven't seen a bench yet but they should trounce a stock single 480 and have much shallower power requirements.


Oh, wow, this is actually good news for me. I might have to reconsider my options now.
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Right now it's about 450 bones for 2 460s, I haven't seen a bench yet but they should trounce a stock single 480 and have much shallower power requirements.
According to this, a pair of 460s in SLI outperforms a 480.
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I would go with the 5870 for just about every reason. Newegg has a smoking deal on the HIS Turbo card for $395 (originally $445).

the 465 (or GTX 400 series for that matter) runs at 90°C!!!! It is facking hot in there man. The 5870 runs at 70°C on full load. These were both tested on the FFXIV benchmark, in games like Crysis and Just Cause 2 (1-2 hour tests), and on furmark. The 5870 is not only a better card performance wise, but has less power consumption and less heat. The fan is about the same loudness (they have a different pitch, with volume up neither are a problem).

Either the 5870 or waiting until september to see if prices drop/new models come out.
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was thinking of getting the 5850, now the GTX 460 seem amazing for the price. Will make my mind in september, the 460 should make the 5850 price drop, if the 5850 is to be found around 250$ (CAD) at that moment I'll go for it, if not I'll go for the GTX 460.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 2:22pm by MrBarjavel
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As mentioned the 5870 is an incredible card. Go with one and make sure you have a 850W+ power supply. With standard internals that will allow you to add a second card in the future. That should keep you playing computer games for a solid 5 years.
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#20 Jul 13 2010 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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the 465 (or GTX 400 series for that matter) runs at 90°C!!!! It is facking hot in there man. The 5870 runs at 70°C on full load. These were both tested on the FFXIV benchmark, in games like Crysis and Just Cause 2 (1-2 hour tests), and on furmark. The 5870 is not only a better card performance wise, but has less power consumption and less heat. The fan is about the same loudness (they have a different pitch, with volume up neither are a problem).

Either the 5870 or waiting until september to see if prices drop/new models come out.


Get your facts straight. The 460s are running much cooler than the other Fermis. Also, myself and plenty of other GTX 470 owners aren't getting very high temps even on stock fan settings. In fact my 470 runs about the same temp during medium/heavy gaming as my 8800 GTS does and it's only being used for PhysX. Even the 480s aren't all as hot as initial reviews said, yes they are power hogs with the exception of the 460, but it's not drastic.

Quite a few 5850 (I think) owners have stated the 470s they have run cooler than their ATI card did.

I'm not a fan boy, but my current mobo is setup for SLI only so that's why I went with the Nvidia card this time around (that and the tesselation "future proofing"). If I had an unlocked MoBo I'd still be sitting on the fence but leaning towards the 460s. Black friday is just around the corner from XIV release for those who can limp by until then, they'll get some good deals. That's when I plan to grab a 2nd 470.

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#21 Jul 13 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
Get your facts straight.


My facts are from tests I have personally run, so unless my computer was telling me the wrong temperature then I stand by my statement.


and since this is XIV specific forum.

High Benchmark w/ 5870: 4984

High Benchmark w/ 465: 3200...overclocked I got it to 3400 but it was not stable and got up into the 98° range.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:06pm by burtonsnow
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burtonsnow wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Get your facts straight.


My facts are from tests I have personally run, so unless my computer was telling me the wrong temperature then I stand by my statement.


and since this is XIV specific forum.

High Benchmark w/ 5870: 4984

High Benchmark w/ 465: 3200...overclocked I got it to 3400 but it was not stable and got up into the 98° range.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:06pm by burtonsnow
Considering that the 465 is 150-200 dollars cheaper than a 5870, really shouldn't be surprised. The 460 that's being discussed just came out is supposed to run a lot cooler.
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burtonsnow wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Get your facts straight.


My facts are from tests I have personally run, so unless my computer was telling me the wrong temperature then I stand by my statement.


and since this is XIV specific forum.

High Benchmark w/ 5870: 4984

High Benchmark w/ 465: 3200...overclocked I got it to 3400 but it was not stable and got up into the 98° range.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:06pm by burtonsnow


Because someone had to say it

If you've got a 5870 -and- a 465, I'll gladly take whichever one you aren't using :) I'll even pay shipping.
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burtonsnow wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Get your facts straight.


My facts are from tests I have personally run, so unless my computer was telling me the wrong temperature then I stand by my statement.


and since this is XIV specific forum.

High Benchmark w/ 5870: 4984

High Benchmark w/ 465: 3200...overclocked I got it to 3400 but it was not stable and got up into the 98° range.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:06pm by burtonsnow


Do a bit more research then. If you have multiple brand cards you either have a lot of friends or you're a fellow enthusiast. As an entusiast you should know that the Fermi's have seemingly random batches. Some run hot some run at acceptable temps. Most aren't too loud, but a few are, etc... The general consensus is that the 465s and 470s mostly run alot cooler than what people are spamming all over the net. The 460 is the first Fermi that all the review sites are praising (of 3 tested, all had low heat and power draw and out performed the 465, check the Toms review to see how your ATI suggestions hold up)

"The really surprising thing here is that, even though the GF104-based cards aren’t the lowest-power in our review, they operate at the coolest temperatures and do so using remarkably-quiet fans. In fact, there wasn’t much difference between the acoustics at idle and under load. AMD’s Radeon HD 5770 is comparable in that way; however, its load temp is notably higher.

Compare the GF104-based cards to the GF100-based boards—the difference is fairly staggering."

I'm sure you know where to find the rest of the review. Their 470 runs about 12 degrees higher than mine does at idle and about 20 higher under load, maybe myself and a few others got lucky... maybe the reviewers all got bad batches. I dunno. I will appologize for the tone of my last post though, considering the testing was done yourself. I'm just sick of people taking all the negatives they read about products and spewing them around without hands on experience or at the very least in depth research.
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Harri wrote:
burtonsnow wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Get your facts straight.


My facts are from tests I have personally run, so unless my computer was telling me the wrong temperature then I stand by my statement.


and since this is XIV specific forum.

High Benchmark w/ 5870: 4984

High Benchmark w/ 465: 3200...overclocked I got it to 3400 but it was not stable and got up into the 98° range.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:06pm by burtonsnow
Considering that the 465 is 150-200 dollars cheaper than a 5870, really shouldn't be surprised. The 460 that's being discussed just came out is supposed to run a lot cooler.


Didn't realize they came out with the 460 and a 465. If it runs cooler and uses less wattage it will be a very good Mid-range GPU (especially with the 200 price tag). the 465 ran too hot and used too much power.

After reading some reviews of the 460 it seems to be the card Nvidia should have released. I would recommend either the 460 or 5850 if looking for under $300.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:50pm by burtonsnow
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5870 gets my vote.
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