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#1 Jul 13 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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I've been asking a few questions here and there, but I think it would be good to have a dedicated thread for mac users dual booting. Even if it turns out that FFXIV is a definitive no for working on any mac, I'm sure there are at least a few mac users out there who'd need the info.

So, first question: would the new macbook pro run XIV at all? Here are the specs (for what I was considering):

2.66Ghz Intel Core i7
NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M with 512MB vram, with 256MB Intel HD Graphics shared.
4GB memory

I've read that 1gb vram is generally the minimum, but if you go to the apple website*, it talks about having two processors that switch, along with some new tricks and what not, idk. Anyway it seemed like a possibility. Maybe it would get a low benchmark score, but I'd like to know if it can at least tolerably run it.

*http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/performance.html

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By the way, I couldn't get it to run at all on my older (without the bezel, 2nd gen) MBP. It wasn't a low benchmark, windows just said it encountered a problem. My friend's PC did this, but I updated directx and then it worked; not so on my MBP — updated everything and no go. I thought it would at least run and tell me I had a horrible score.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:57pm by Variyen
#2 Jul 13 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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Variyen wrote:
I've been asking a few questions here and there, but I think it would be good to have a dedicated thread for mac users dual booting. Even if it turns out that FFXIV is a definitive no for working on any mac, I'm sure there are at least a few mac users out there who'd need the info.

So, first question: would the new macbook pro run XIV at all? Here are the specs (for what I was considering):

2.66Ghz Intel Core i7
NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M with 521MB vram, with 256MB Intel HD Graphics shared.
4GB memory

I've read that 1gb vram is generally the minimum, but if you go to the apple website*, it talks about having two processors that switch, along with some new tricks and what not, idk. Anyway it seemed like a possibility. Maybe it would get a low benchmark score, but I'd like to know if it can at least tolerably run it.

*http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/performance.html


The core i7 is probably not a problem. The GT 330M may be. Laptop performance is typically lower than desktops, and that card in a desktop would run the game on pretty low as it is. If you have Bootcamp or Parallels set up, you can try to run the benchmark and see what it gives you.
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#3 Jul 13 2010 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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well a macbook pro with a core 2 duo 2.8 ghz and a 9600GT M 512MB score under 1000 (in the 700s I think don't remember exactly).
#4 Jul 13 2010 at 7:39 PM Rating: Default
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**** you, SE, why do you want your game to look so good!?
#5 Jul 13 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I couldn't get the benchmark to run on my MacBook Pro from last August. Which has lower specs than the one you posted though.
#6 Jul 13 2010 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
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I think I'll go to the apple store and just dl it to see. I'm sure they'll let me; I've worked there before, and it is a factor in buying a new computer. I'll try on a variety, but likely I'll only get the chance to try it on what I'm looking at getting, the MBP 15" with the above specs. If anyone else has the time, it'd be great if they could check it out on the configuration they want and report back here.
#7 Jul 13 2010 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I am interested in the benchmark score on the newest mac-mini. They claimed the new video card can play games, so wondering what score it gets.

Definitely not seeing any mac can play FFXI at 1080 unless it's a mac pro with custom card.
#8 Jul 13 2010 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Couldn't get my 2009 iMac to run the benchmark w/ Bootcamp'd Win7. Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.

Haven't tried to run it on my Macbook Pro laptop, but I'm not a fan of gaming on laptops, and it will be nice to have a high-end gaming pc for once.
#9 Jul 13 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default
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BnBurns2000 wrote:
Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.


Hardcore FF fan! +1
#10 Jul 13 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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BnBurns2000 wrote:
Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.


Hardcore FF fan! +1


I'm a PC. And Final Fantasy XIV was my idea.
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#11 Jul 13 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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Variyen wrote:
I think I'll go to the apple store and just dl it to see. I'm sure they'll let me; I've worked there before, and it is a factor in buying a new computer. I'll try on a variety, but likely I'll only get the chance to try it on what I'm looking at getting, the MBP 15" with the above specs. If anyone else has the time, it'd be great if they could check it out on the configuration they want and report back here.


I would love to put the FFXIV benchmark on a CD, go into a Best Buy, and demand the ability to run it on their computers.

Considering it's what; 10 minutes long... I wonder how many systems I could run it on before a manager asked me to stop and/or leave.
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#12 Jul 13 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Default
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sarsha2 wrote:
BnBurns2000 wrote:
Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.


Hardcore FF fan! +1


That's how I roll. >.>

I played FFXI during the first 1 1/2yrs it was released in the U.S.

That was the last time I owned a PC. Took another FF mmo to bring me back.
#13 Jul 14 2010 at 12:47 AM Rating: Default
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Like most Mac user hoping to play FFXIV, we will end up with disappointment.

I have the 17" macbook pro 2.66ghz Intel core i7, 8gb ram, nvidia gt 330m, and bootcamp with win7 64. Like Mikahila have said, the video card is the bottleneck of this system.

The laptop scored 1064 on low and 540 on high. There is no way in chance I can play this with high setting, but on low setting there's might be some light of hope (with some annoyance...). Through out the benchmark, the fps seems decent and playable but we would not know for sure until the game is release.

Anyway, don't put all your hope and money on the macbook pro just to play this game. Either purchase a decent pc or ps3.

BnBurns2000 wrote:
Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.

+1 Hahaha
#14 Jul 14 2010 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I would love to put the FFXIV benchmark on a CD, go into a Best Buy, and demand the ability to run it on their computers.

Considering it's what; 10 minutes long... I wonder how many systems I could run it on before a manager asked me to stop and/or leave.


I'll save you some time. I work at a medium sized Best Buy location, and there are currently 2 discontinued laptop models at our store that could run the game on low pretty well (Asus G72 and a Sony 16" with an i7 that's model number escapes me at the moment) and one new Sony (pretty much same specs as last one) and Asus (G73 I believe). The only stock desktop that would run it in our location would be an HP Elite model, but a few larger stores have one Dell and one Asus tower with decent graphics cards and processors.

Best Buy doesn't have a whole lot of selection when it comes to this sort of thing. Mostly what you'll find there is generic basic consumer stuff, and anything from about $550 to $800 (which is about 80% or so of what we carry) runs about the same speed, which is good enough for your non-gamer, but not close for FFXIV.


P.S. You couldn't run the benchmark on anything in the store unless an associate uninstalls the demo software named "Archie". I can tell you that it is unlikely any store will do this, because it takes about 20-30 minutes to do for each unit, and after you installed it, they would have to re-image the unit. Fortunately, I work there, and get bored easily. If you want specifics on benchmark scores for any model currently in stores, I could probably find that info out for you.

Edited for chronic misspelling.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 11:36am by Yabusame
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Mikhalia wrote:
sarsha2 wrote:
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Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.


Hardcore FF fan! +1


I'm a PC. And Final Fantasy XIV was my idea.


I really LOL'ed, ty.
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#16 Jul 14 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I will tell you this. FFXIV does not run on my MacBook Pro running Parallels with Windows 7 64-bit.
#17 Jul 14 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Do FFXI run well in parallel anyway?

There's no way a VM can handle a graphics intensive game.
#18 Jul 14 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Yabusame wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
I would love to put the FFXIV benchmark on a CD, go into a Best Buy, and demand the ability to run it on their computers.

Considering it's what; 10 minutes long... I wonder how many systems I could run it on before a manager asked me to stop and/or leave.


I'll save you some time. I work at a medium sized Best Buy location, and there are currently 2 discontinued laptop models at our store that could run the game on low pretty well (Asus G72 and a Sony 16" with an i7 that's model number escapes me at the moment) and one new Sony (pretty much same specs as last one) and Asus (G73 I believe). The only stock desktop that would run it in our location would be an HP Elite model, but a few larger stores have one Dell and one Asus tower with decent graphics cards and processors.

Best Buy doesn't have a whole lot of selection when it comes to this sort of thing. Mostly what you'll find there is generic basic consumer stuff, and anything from about $550 to $800 (which is about 80% or so of what we carry) runs about the same speed, which is good enough for your non-gamer, but not close for FFXIV.


P.S. You couldn't run the benchmark on anything in the store unless an associate uninstalls the demo software named "Archie". I can tell you that it is unlikely any store will do this, because it takes about 20-30 minutes to do for each unit, and after you installed it, they would have to re-image the unit. Fortunately, I work there, and get bored easily. If you want specifics on benchmark scores for any model currently in stores, I could probably find that info out for you.

Edited for chronic misspelling.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 11:36am by Yabusame


Yeah, I'm well aware of all that, and my system already runs teh benchmark fine. I was just whimsically pondering the results of actually attempting to do this in a store. Kinda like asking 'what if a bunch of people in blue polo shirts and khakis went into Best Buy at once?' I wouldn't actually do it; I was just picturing it in my head.
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#19 Jul 14 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Default
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Do FFXI run well in parallel anyway?

There's no way a VM can handle a graphics intensive game.


I highly doubt it. I stopped using parallels when Apple developed Boot Camp.

Some people don't like dedicating hard drive partitions to Windows, but hard drive space has never been an issue for me. My **** collection is on VHS, as the good lord intended. It gives you that good sleezy homegrown feel you don't get from digital download ****. That said, I have a lot more free space than the average gamer.
#20 Jul 14 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah boot camp is the way to go; it was never very annoying dual booting, and a smaller partition helped me focus on deleting useless clutter for both OS's.

So I tried going to the apple store and testing, but none of the computers there had a windows partition; I thought some did, but I worked at the apple store a long time ago so maybe I was mistaken; or they stopped. Anyway, form other posts it sounds pretty hopeless unless you have a mac pro. Can you upgrade the graphics card in the imac or mac mini?
#21 Jul 14 2010 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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If you ever want to game seriously get yourself a PC. Mac is good for work/editing software, but it certainly lacks in the game department.
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#22 Jul 14 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
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Now now, my fellow friends in Apple:

Do you REALLY want to see what SE would cook up for a desktop icon for FFXI? They've been very strong in the motion graphics and illustration department. But their print and web design generally smacks my good senses in the face.

I still get angsty thinking about 13's boxart. *shutter*
#23 Jul 14 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I used to dual boot... but the thing is when you play an MMO on a Windows partition,
you literally will NEVER switch back to OSX.

Then your mac box will become an overpriced Windows PC with outdated drivers.
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FFXI runs perfectly through Parallels. So does LoTRO and MW2.

FFXIV is the first thing I've had problems with. I'm still messing around to see what I can do though.

It boot camp 'officially' supported by Apple now? Meaning they will give you tech support on it at the genius bar etc?
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FFXI runs perfectly through Parallels. So does LoTRO and MW2.

FFXIV is the first thing I've had problems with. I'm still messing around to see what I can do though.

It boot camp 'officially' supported by Apple now? Meaning they will give you tech support on it at the genius bar etc?


Speaking on behalf of someone who used to do phone support for Apple, the support for it will likely never be there. Apple has a very stringent scope of support. We weren't even supposed to help with wireless connectivity if you weren't using an Apple AirPort Base Station. If you were using any router other than an Apple one; wireless connectivity support was limited to seeing if you're getting an IP, attempting to connect to the network if you aren't, tossing the config prefs if that didn't work, and then telling you to call Linksys/Netgear/etc.

Any issues you ever have with installing or using any OS other than a Mac OS on a Mac (Including Parallels and Boot Camp) will likely never be supported by Apple. Their official stance has always been "If you don't see a training module for it on the intranet, we don't support it. If the training module doesn't tell you how to do it or how to fix it, we don't do it and/or we don't support the fix." and "If the troubleshooting steps are not on the knowledgebase or the training modules, toss the preference files. Failing that, try it in a new user profile; if that works, tell the customer to continue using this new user profile whenever they want to run the program and do not troubleshoot further. If it doesn't work in a new user profile, walk the user through and Archive & Install and tell them to call back if it doesn't work. If that still fails, tell them to back up their data and perform an Erase & Install."

Honestly, Apple's support scope is total BS; they tie our hands on a lot of things and bosses get really annoyed if your average call time goes over 20 minutes. I'm genuinely surprised that Apple gets people to pay $250-350 for a 3 year phone/hardware support agreement, and even more surprised that if you have had the computer for over a year and never bought the AppleCare Protection Plan, you had to pay $49 -per issue-. That means that if you're calling because you can't connect to the internet, AND you can't get iPhoto to launch, that call is gonna cost you $98.

Want to talk to a Genius? You'll want to sign up for ProPlan; it will cost you $100/year for a priority appointment. And no, it's not included in the cost of the APP; they are both separate purchases.

For as much of a fan I am of their OS's ease of use, it astounds me that not only are people willing to pay the exorbitant price tags on Macs, but they put up with extremely limited phone support and somehow this support is also rated #1 in the country? I spent a year and a half on the other end of that phone; I'm fully aware of the severe limitations on what we can and can't help people with; it's a **** joke.

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In the past 7 years I've owned 4 macs. Out of those 4 computers, the only thing to break on any of them was the charger to the laptop (after 2yr of use). The one time I had to use tech support, it took me 15 minutes and they had my new part in their system and ready to ship to me. I know that's only one instance, but I kind of feel like mac is justified in turning down assistance to 3rd party hardware (Linksys, etc.). Boot Camp itself may function absolutely perfectly in that it splits your hard drive and lets you install Windows. Beyond that, it's not really Macs business to be providing Windows-issues tech support.

I definitely don't buy into the whole Apple Cult of Perfection fanboy club. I know they have their limitations. But more often than not, Mac does it right.

Boot Camp is one of those horrible limitations. Windows tech support will not help you the minute you say "I'm using a mac" and Mac won't help you because they don't support windows. That pretty much leaves you stranded to internet forums from other unlucky souls.

That said, Boot Camp is pretty solid. The only issue I had was upgrading from XP to Win7 on Boot Camp. The sound drivers went bananas and I never did get them fully functioning.

Bottom line: For ease of use for practically anything but gaming, Macs can handle it and are going to give you less frustration than the average Windows experience. For gaming, there is no reason to go the mac route. You're basically confined to a non-upgradeable system whose only mainstream support is from Blizzard.


Edited, Jul 15th 2010 1:10am by BnBurns2000
#27 Jul 15 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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In the past 7 years I've owned 4 macs. Out of those 4 computers, the only thing to break on any of them was the charger to the laptop (after 2yr of use). The one time I had to use tech support, it took me 15 minutes and they had my new part in their system and ready to ship to me.


Sounds about right. Their support is VERY efficient in what they do support. The only time you really run into a hiccup is if you need to order a specific part.

Their part ordering system is REALLY archaic. It's not searchable, and the items are not labeled clearly. Whenever a customer was calling in for a battery/AC adapter/disk/manual, it would take you like 5 minutes to find the **** part, and that was if you knew what you were doing. When you try to send a customer a part, it gives you this long *** list of EVERY part EVER made for EVERY single ******* Mac product, and you have to browse through it. Do you know what the difference is between "2P AC 90 Powerbook Adap" and "3P AC 90 Powerbook Adap" and "2P AC 60 Powerbook Adap"? First one is 2 prong, 90W. Second one is 3 prong, 90W. Third one is 2 prong, 60W. It's obvious once I tell you, but not to the untrained eye, and good luck trying to find it in a list of a thousand parts.

Granted, I stopped working for them years ago so it's possible they changed it; when they switched from Vantive to PeopleSoft, the parts ordering system was a little better, but they uses a web-based PeopleSoft through Safari, so if Safari crashed on you or if you accidentally refreshed the page... you were typing your call notes ALL OVER AGAIN. At least Vantive was its own program that didn't have a "erase all your work" button you could accidentally click, even if it did look like it was built for OS9. Like I said though, PeopleSoft made part orders easier; you still had that giant *** list to browse through, but with Vantive, it had to refresh the entire ******* screen whenever you scrolled through the list. "Hey, can I order..." was code for "You're going to either have to put me on hold or make small talk with me for half a ******* hour"

But I digress again. I did enjoy that job, for all its faults. Glad to have moved on though.
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BnBurns2000 wrote:
whose only mainstream support is from Blizzard.


And Steam...

Funny not really related Story... My stores PC game section is pretty small, generally crap games... The other day hvaing missed out on the 2nd Expansion to AoE3 (Microsoft game studios product) and seing it at the store for 5 bucks, I purchased it. Couldn't install etc... I finally look at the box and notice it's the MAC version. I guess I'm saying at some point Microsoft decided it would be less evil to support Apple as long as they got cash for it ;)
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It IS possible to run the benchmark on a Mac! I've done it twice.

Mac mini score: 350. (Previous generation mini, not the very latest.)
iMac score: 2460 -- oh yeah!

it did take some work though: http://goldenchocobo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3479

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#30 Jul 15 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
"If you want specifics on benchmark scores for any model currently in stores, I could probably find that info out for you."

Well, if ever you have the time to confirm my Imac, I'd appreciate it. I believe it should have no problems, but i'd humbly apprehend your professional opinion.

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#31 Jul 15 2010 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
I'll check it out first thing in the morning!
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By mac I'll assume you mean Apple, and if that's the case you might wanna inform the 2 million + iPhone 4 owners of this.

Oh, wait. . you can't. Everytime they pick up the phone their signal drops out :D
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By mac I'll assume you mean Apple, and if that's the case you might wanna inform the 2 million + iPhone 4 owners of this.

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By mac I'll assume you mean Apple, and if that's the case you might wanna inform the 2 million + iPhone 4 owners of this.

Oh, wait. . you can't. Everytime they pick up the phone their signal drops out :D


I was referring to their computers. : /

I have a new iphone. Zero problems from mine. But then again, I also had a Toyota and I didn't go uncontrollably flying down the highway into oblivion. Maybe I'm just lucky. lol
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I've got a friend who is hoping to run FFXIV on his MacBook Pro, the one with the 9600GT, and he's receiving scores like the previous poster in this thread got (about 1000). However, it seems to be a driver issue, because another person reported getting 1500-1600 on the same hardware.

My friend's machine exhibits a very characteristic stutter- the benchmark runs fine for almost a second, then thump, it hitches briefly, then runs fine for another second... for the duration. Are the rest of you seeing the same rumpity-thumpity?
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I tried installing Windows 7 last night through boot camp, but I made my partition too small so I was unable to update the game fully. However, it went further than it did in my VM.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 3:37pm by BJordan
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They do it right for John Q. Public, computer illiterate [or mostly illiterate], internet user, facebook addict, e-mail and word processor user. My definition of "doing it right" and THEIR version of "doing it right" are two COMPLETELY different things. In this instance, their version of "doing it right" fits their hardware down to the ground. Despite the recent release of steam for OS X, they weren't designed even remotely to be "gaming" machines. If you bought a mac expecting the hardware to perform anywhere near as well as a moderately cheaper PC notebook, it's not that apple "didn't do it right", but more like "I purchased the wrong tool to do the job I need to do". If it makes you feel any better, macs have fairly good resale value. With the money you get out of it, you can probably purchase something in an Asus RoG, Sager, or Clevo, pick up rocket dock and avast!, and at least play the game on medium settings. If you're really good, you might even have a few hundred bucks left in your pocket when it's all said and done.

Don't get me wrong here. I like macs. I like my Asus G73 *BETTER*, but that's only b/c it cost $700 less than the 17" macbook pro I was considering.

And the i7 720QM quad core with hyperthreading and turbo boost
. . . and the 8 gig of ram
. . . . . . and the Radeon 5870m with it's tastee 1gig Gddr5
. . . . . . . . . .huge exhaust fans, lighted keyboard, blu-ray support. . . .

Don't ask about battery life tho. I'm fairly certain a 1962 Caddy with big block gets significantly more miles per tank >.> In my case tho, I'm never unplugged for very long :D
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No one should be buying a mac for gaming. End of story. And to be honest, I'm not a fan of buying any laptop for gaming.

No one should be editing video or audio with anything other than a mac. But the average computer user isn't doing either of those things That's pretty much how it breaks down for me. I also despise windows operating systems for general daily computer use, although I will say Windows 7 was a pretty good step forward.

And you're right that macs have great resale value. Just sold me $1100 2yr old iMac for $850. Not too shabby for the amount of use I got out of it.

I don't like getting into the Mac vs. Windows debates b/c the points are always the same. Macs are too expensive, can't be upgraded, gaming limitations, etc. For me, those drawbacks are worth it for the things I love about OSX. But for gaming, there's no way in **** i'd be using a mac anything. : / If more gaming companies made an effort to support mac, they may begin to build more gaming-friendly machines. But the market share doesn't really it make it worthwhile for most companies to take that step.

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Macs are all about the experience, and that's why people buy them. It's not about how many gigs are in an iMac, or how upgradeable the mac mini is -- it's the experience. The OS is great, the look and feel of the computers is superb, and with the advent of the mac store, unless you obviously screwed your computer yourself, you can easily shove it to a genius and they'll fix it up for you as best they can (obviously barring huge costs). Even if they say so, in general people who own macs really don't care about the tech, they want a pleasant experience. I've had macs all my life, and while I have used PCs a lot due to their ubiquity, when you say things about it costing less or having greater hardware, I and those who like macs don't really care; we may get irritated since we always have to defend our computer choice, but we don't care. Here, of course, we need to talk about hardware; but we're talking about making the game run on a mac, not how sucky the mac hardware is.

Basically, if you're going to argue for or against macs, you need to argue on the level of user experience, because apple lovers don't care about much else.
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No one should be buying a mac for gaming. End of story. And to be honest, I'm not a fan of buying any laptop for gaming.


Definitely not, but if you have a ac and have a game or two you wanna play, what else can you do?

Mac's are all about the OS. OSX is still miles better than Windows 7.
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In regards to XIV, I think the mac user's problem is we don't care really about PC gaming, then suddenly FFXIV comes out with these huge specs, and we get boned. Sure, SE made the PS3 version for just this case, but we saw how well FFXI turned out, and from other threads it seems like they already have problems making XIV work; then they'll struggle with updates, expansions, and et cetera. I started FFXI on the PS2, and I don't want to get that shaft again.
#42 Jul 17 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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Variyen wrote:
Basically, if you're going to argue for or against macs, you need to argue on the level of user experience, because apple lovers don't care about much else.


+1. That's the best analysis of mac vs. pc I've ever read.
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Does anyone have the benchmark specs for the new, best imac (2.93 core i7 etc)?
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Variyen wrote:
Does anyone have the benchmark specs for the new, best imac (2.93 core i7 etc)?


I don't have this information but I can tell you that I have the previous version of the iMac with 4gb ram, i5 and the HD 4850 mobility and I get a benchmark around 2750. The new processors should add to this and more ram will also help you. What's interesting is the new graphics card. I have no links to confirm this but I read it put out about 10% better performance. That along with better processor and more ram should put it well above 3000 but I have no way of telling exactly.
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#45 Aug 11 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Why game on a mac?

like seriously, its such a waste. For half the money just buy a pc
for gaming.

Mac's are not meant or built for gaming.


Mac's are an ease of use system.
Photoshop and stuff like that.

I love them have one myself and I only us my pc for gaming

the mac for everything else, because i love OSX UI
but really for gaming I would really really really really

recommend against it
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#47 Aug 11 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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lol, so i just read this entire thread and came to one resounding conclusion...

i am retarded for buying this IMAC 9.1... thought it was going to be the end all and id be able to run the game 1,2,3 no problem.

WRONG!

like that otherguy, my IMac is on ebay as we speak
#48 Aug 11 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Speeral wrote:
Why game on a mac?

like seriously, its such a waste. For half the money just buy a pc
for gaming.


Mac's are not meant or built for gaming.


Mac's are an ease of use system.
Photoshop and stuff like that.

I love them have one myself and I only us my pc for gaming

the mac for everything else, because i love OSX UI
but really for gaming I would really really really really

recommend against it


what do you suggest then, cuz rather than going through the process of getting windows 7, getting bootcamp andrunning the benchmark, i would buy a pc that can run it cuz im sick of toying with ym mac to get it to do stuff.
#49 Aug 24 2010 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Speeral wrote:
Why game on a mac?

like seriously, its such a waste. For half the money just buy a pc
for gaming.

Mac's are not meant or built for gaming.


Mac's are an ease of use system.
Photoshop and stuff like that.

I love them have one myself and I only us my pc for gaming

the mac for everything else, because i love OSX UI
but really for gaming I would really really really really

recommend against it


The thing is that I have a mac and I love it. And I want to play Final Fantasy and since I can play it on this machine I am not going to go out and buy a PC. I agree that if you want a gaming rig don't go with a mac but if you have a mac why not use it for gaming when it certainly is possible. I don't want another computer since that would be a waste of money and space in my office...
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#50 Aug 24 2010 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
I have a question... Would this play Final Fantasy XIV?

Mac Attack!


Here's the specs...

Two all beef patties
special sauce
lettuce
cheese
pickles
onions
on a sesame seed bun

The monitor, keyboard, and mouse are not included.
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#51 Aug 24 2010 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
sarsha2 wrote:
BnBurns2000 wrote:
Instantly sold my iMac on ebay, currently investing in a new pc gaming computer.


Hardcore FF fan! +1


I'm a PC. And Final Fantasy XIV was my idea.



Mac gaming in a nutshell

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 6:24am by Lobivopis
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