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#1 Jul 14 2010 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Forgive me if this has already been answered... But regarding the pre-order items, I know that collectors edition comes with the helm and and the standard edition comes with the googles. Well, I was one of the gamers in FFXI who wasn't lucky enough to get most of the "one time only" gear. But this time around, I'd love to be able to show years down the line that my character has a lot of "exclusive" gear.

Now my question is if I buy both versions of the game, does anyone know if it's ever been mentioned that I will DEFINITELY be able to apply both codes to one account or no? If not I think I may be very sad lol.
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#2 Jul 14 2010 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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On finalfantasyxiv.com it says that if you get the standard edition you get the goggles; if you get the collector's edition, you get the onion helm.

It does not specify one way or another whether the goggles also come with the CE; it does not say that it does, and it also does not say that it does not. This has lead people to logically assume one of the following:

1) It must come with the CE because they wouldn't put an item in the SE that wasn't in the CE.
2) It doesn't say it comes with the CE, therefore it does not come with the CE.

Both of these theories are more or less logically sound, and only one can be right.

Anyone who says it definitely does or definitely doesn't is speculating unless they have a source that confirms it beyond "implying it".
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#3 Jul 14 2010 at 4:39 AM Rating: Good
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If you buy both versions of the game, you can apply both codes to one account and get both items. However, if you start a character before Sep. 30th, it will not have the goggles because those aren't supposed to go active until the SE launch.

(this info is just what I have read from people posting article links about all of this; if someone has the actual links, please post them)
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On finalfantasyxiv.com it says that if you get the standard edition you get the goggles; if you get the collector's edition, you get the onion helm.

It does not specify one way or another whether the goggles also come with the CE; it does not say that it does, and it also does not say that it does not. This has lead people to logically assume one of the following:

1) It must come with the CE because they wouldn't put an item in the SE that wasn't in the CE.
2) It doesn't say it comes with the CE, therefore it does not come with the CE.

Both of these theories are more or less logically sound, and only one can be right.

Anyone who says it definitely does or definitely doesn't is speculating unless they have a source that confirms it beyond "implying it".


The CE has the helm and the SE has the goggles this was confirmed I think with the french interview last week. The explanation was that those with the SE need a way of catching up with those who bought CE as they start a week early.

I haven't heard anything about being able to use both on one account...not sure where the last poster got that info but I haven't seen it.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 8:01am by Yogtheterrible
#5 Jul 14 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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I Guess I'll buy both and find out on Sept. 30th. I wonder if that will make my character look cool, or if it'll make me look like I just spent $125 (+tax!) On a freaking video game lol.
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I think you can probably get both items if you buy both editions. But then unless you really want to get all of those "one time only" gear for collecting purpose, otherwise I really don't see the point of spending extra money on something you probably won't use it anymore after you got a better gear.

I was debating whether I should buy the collector edition or the regular edition before I saw the French interview...when Tanaka (or other person) said that the only purpose of making the goggles is to let the players be easier to catch up those who started a week early, then I looked at both bonus items again and asked myself which one is more useful for me. A helm that'll lower the death penalty, it may sound good at the beginning, but come to think about it, when you're like lvl 10 or lower, even if there's death penalty like FFXI, it doesn't really bother me because I can make up the xp easily. Then when you're at higher lvl, would you rather wear that Onion Helm than wearing some helms that are at your current lvl? Thus the Onion Helm would be sitting in the inventory forever. On the other hand, I'm not sure how effective the goggles are, but even if let you lvl up 1% faster, you are 1% faster! The goggle may also be a piece of head gear, and we probably won't be using it when we get higher lvl, but what about crafting skill? When you lvl up crafting skill, you don't have to fight mobs, so even if I'm lvl 30 or 40 in a crafting skill, I can still wear the goggle when I craft and lvl up 1% faster! So I ending bought the regular edition...just a thought.
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I wish I could choose between the items instead of one or the other. There's no way I'm buying two versions of the game to get both, but I want the goggles more than the helm. :(

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 7:20am by Pikko
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dunlag wrote:

I was debating whether I should buy the collector edition or the regular edition before I saw the French interview...when Tanaka (or other person) said that the only purpose of making the goggles is to let the players be easier to catch up those who started a week early, then I looked at both bonus items again and asked myself which one is more useful for me. A helm that'll lower the death penalty, it may sound good at the beginning, but come to think about it, when you're like lvl 10 or lower, even if there's death penalty like FFXI, it doesn't really bother me because I can make up the xp easily. Then when you're at higher lvl, would you rather wear that Onion Helm than wearing some helms that are at your current lvl? Thus the Onion Helm would be sitting in the inventory forever. On the other hand, I'm not sure how effective the goggles are, but even if let you lvl up 1% faster, you are 1% faster! The goggle may also be a piece of head gear, and we probably won't be using it when we get higher lvl, but what about crafting skill? When you lvl up crafting skill, you don't have to fight mobs, so even if I'm lvl 30 or 40 in a crafting skill, I can still wear the goggle when I craft and lvl up 1% faster! So I ending bought the regular edition...just a thought.


That's a pretty good assessment, but the onion helm may still be useful while leveling and at end-game, because if you know you are about to die you could have a macro to quickly put on the onion helm before you die.

As for the goggles, there may be glasses/goggles that provide way more benefit in stats for high level characters, so wearing the Garland goggles during battle won't be advisable. But I agree the goggles would still be good for crafting.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 10:58am by Cyiode
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Cyiode wrote:
dunlag wrote:

I was debating whether I should buy the collector edition or the regular edition before I saw the French interview...when Tanaka (or other person) said that the only purpose of making the goggles is to let the players be easier to catch up those who started a week early, then I looked at both bonus items again and asked myself which one is more useful for me. A helm that'll lower the death penalty, it may sound good at the beginning, but come to think about it, when you're like lvl 10 or lower, even if there's death penalty like FFXI, it doesn't really bother me because I can make up the xp easily. Then when you're at higher lvl, would you rather wear that Onion Helm than wearing some helms that are at your current lvl? Thus the Onion Helm would be sitting in the inventory forever. On the other hand, I'm not sure how effective the goggles are, but even if let you lvl up 1% faster, you are 1% faster! The goggle may also be a piece of head gear, and we probably won't be using it when we get higher lvl, but what about crafting skill? When you lvl up crafting skill, you don't have to fight mobs, so even if I'm lvl 30 or 40 in a crafting skill, I can still wear the goggle when I craft and lvl up 1% faster! So I ending bought the regular edition...just a thought.


That's a pretty good assessment, but the onion helm may still be useful while leveling and at end-game, because if you know you are about to die you could have a macro to quickly put on the onion helm before you die.

As for the goggles, there may be glasses/goggles that provide way more benefit in stats for high level characters, so wearing the Garland goggles during battle won't be advisable. But I agree the goggles would still be good for crafting.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 10:58am by Cyiode
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#10 Jul 14 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Cyiode wrote:


That's a pretty good assessment, but the onion helm may still be useful while leveling and at end-game, because if you know you are about to die you could have a macro to quickly put on the onion helm before you die.

As for the goggles, there may be glasses/goggles that provide way more benefit in stats for high level characters, so wearing the Garland goggles during battle won't be advisable. But I agree the goggles would still be good for crafting.

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 10:58am by Cyiode


I played FFXI when the jp version first came out for about 3 years, so please forgive me for the fact that I probably forgot about lots of the detail of the gameplay. If changing gear during battle is allowed (without getting back to passive mode), then the Onion Helm would be very useful even at higher lvls!

But then since I'm not a hardcore player, I'm seeing myself probably would spend more time crafting in town than NM hunting or joining events that require long hours of participation...so...in my case, I guess I'm still going for the goggle =)
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I think we know for sure that you can't change your weapon during battle, because that would be equivalent to changing jobs, but can anyone say, without breaking the Alpha/Beta NDA, if it is possible to change armor during battle?
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Cyiode wrote:
I think we know for sure that you can't change your weapon during battle, because that would be equivalent to changing jobs, but can anyone say, without breaking the Alpha/Beta NDA, if it is possible to change armor during battle?


According to what I've read you have to be between battles for weapons, armor i beleive would be the same.
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#13 Jul 14 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Why wouldn't we be able to just equip the helm after you've been resurrected? According to the item description it decreases the recovery time after death. I see no reason why you'd ever have to wear it before you actually died. I don't know where anyone got the idea it was some sort of exp/penalty reduction.

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Quickens recovery following KO.


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Harri wrote:
Why wouldn't we be able to just equip the helm after you've been resurrected? According to the item description it decreases the recovery time after death. I see no reason why you'd ever have to wear it before you actually died. I don't know where anyone got the idea it was some sort of exp/penalty reduction.

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Onion Helm
Quickens recovery following KO.


Edited, Jul 14th 2010 5:32pm by Harri


According to Tanaka's interview, this is what he said:

Tanaka: Ah! There are indeed two different versions which offer very useful objects for the beginning of the play, but it acts more aesthetic objects than of another thing. We did not want to create too great disparities between the people who had such or such object and those which did not have any. We thus imposed some limiting on their utility, while making in kind not make them essential. Let us take the example of the Helmet Onion, for those which ordered the collectors version. It is about a hat which makes it possible to reduce the penalty on deaths because the players will tend to die easily at the beginning of the game. With regard to the glasses, they will make it possible to the players to more easily catch up with those which will have begun one week in advance: it will be thus faster for them to develop their talents.

JeuxOnline: The Glasses have really only made to catch up then.

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Since we don't know what's the death penalty at this moment, it's still hard to judge if the item is useful or not...
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