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#1 Jul 14 2010 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I am trying to figure out what the best upgrade possible is for my PC. I would ultimately love to play ffxiv on Medium settings as I am more into the story line. My PC contains:

I7920 Oced to 3.2g
P6t Deluxe mother board
6GB Corsair dominator (1600mhz)
NVIDIA GTX280
320G 10,000 rpm hard drive
750w OCZ fatality psu

will spend up to 6-800 dollars but looking for the best performance boost if any. Any comments are appreciated, thanks for the help!
#2 Jul 14 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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I am trying to figure out what the best upgrade possible is for my PC. I would ultimately love to play ffxiv on Medium settings as I am more into the story line. My PC contains:

I7920 Oced to 3.2g
P6t Deluxe mother board
6GB Corsair dominator (1600mhz)
NVIDIA GTX280
320G 10,000 rpm hard drive
750w OCZ fatality psu

will spend up to 6-800 dollars but looking for the best performance boost if any. Any comments are appreciated, thanks for the help!


I think your current system would be fine, about the only thing that would be a worth while upgrade would be the GPU. I would get a 5870 or a 480GTX unless you want to go all out with a 5970.
#3 Jul 14 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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levauron wrote:
I am trying to figure out what the best upgrade possible is for my PC. I would ultimately love to play ffxiv on Medium settings as I am more into the story line. My PC contains:

I7920 Oced to 3.2g
P6t Deluxe mother board
6GB Corsair dominator (1600mhz)
NVIDIA GTX280
320G 10,000 rpm hard drive
750w OCZ fatality psu

will spend up to 6-800 dollars but looking for the best performance boost if any. Any comments are appreciated, thanks for the help!


Your system looks fine to me as-is. Have you run the benchmark yet? If you absolutely feel you must upgrade, you could upgrade the i7 to a 960-980 or upgrade the video card to a GTX 470/480 or Radeon 5870/5970.

Run the benchmark first though, and decide if you really do need to upgrade.
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#4 Jul 14 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon
#5 Jul 14 2010 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850.
Its not going to be a huge upgrade but you will break over 5k if you go with a 480GTX or a 5870.

EDIT: if you want to see a huge upgrade wait 2 years and build a new PC you already have one of the fastest video cards on the market!

Edited, Jul 14th 2010 9:08pm by TheBSTGuy
#6 Jul 14 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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Definitely makes sense. I am just curious if someone saw something in the current setup that i could change for a noticeable performance increase. I guess it may be a little misguiding that the benchmark scores range up to 8000 and you can only hit 4800 with a decent build.
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Turn off Areo that will give you a nice little fps boost!
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seriously? any reports on how much of an increase?
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seriously? any reports on how much of an increase?
I scored 300 more on the bench mark by turning it off.
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Wouldn't hurt to OC your i7 920 to at least 3.8, its somewhat mild without having to turn your CPU voltage too high, i know you could OC it 4.0+ but 3.8 is very respectable and relatively easy to do with no little to no chance of shortening the lifespan of your CPU (intel i7's).

Now for a GPU i recommend if you willing to spend $700 is a ATI 5970, the benchmark wont reflect it as much as it will in the actual game since the 5970 has 2 gpu's built in thus using crossfire technology, and the benchmark doesn't run at full screen which is needed for 5970's/Crossfire/SLI.

i have a 5970 and with a modified .dll to run the benchmark at full screen will get me a 7000 @ stock GPU settings on HIGH (1080P) and 7550 on HIGH (1080P) with OC'd settings. these score should reflect actual gameplay since it will run at full screen, and with your setup and a 5970 you will have no problems at all on HIGH settings at full FPS.
#11 Jul 14 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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levauron wrote:
I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon


Here you go
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#12 Jul 14 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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oh good to know, thats a nice bit of advice. I appreciate it.
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levauron wrote:
Definitely makes sense. I am just curious if someone saw something in the current setup that i could change for a noticeable performance increase. I guess it may be a little misguiding that the benchmark scores range up to 8000 and you can only hit 4800 with a decent build.


They've said themselves that only a very, very, very tiny amount of people should expect to score 8000+ currently. The game was designed with the idea that five years from now, a good PC will be able to run it on max. A good PC five years from now is maybe on par with or slightly better than what would be built from literally the most expensive parts currently available.
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#14 Jul 14 2010 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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but at the very least 720p at full fps with decent quality isn't out of the question, correct?
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A good PC five years from now is maybe on par with or slightly better than what would be built from literally the most expensive parts currently available.
My $400 laptop runs a 5 year old PC game better then a 5yr old pc so I would hope so lol.
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Also on windows Vista 64bit Ultimate. Would changing OS show a decent gain in performance?
#17 Jul 14 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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Also on windows Vista 64bit Ultimate. Would changing OS show a decent gain in performance?


It was mentioned that disabling Aero could improve performance. Theoretically, if you rolled back to XP, or switched to W7x32, you might get better performance, but then you would lose the ability to use 4+ GB of RAM.
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#18 Jul 14 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
levauron wrote:
I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon


Here you go
Ergh. Bad news for laptops. Which I kinda expected, but man, not to that degree. The difference between the radeon HD 5870 and mobility HD 5870 on benchmark scores is more than double (the mobility card gets 46% the score as the standard card). Wasn't aware that the gap was that huge. The mobility radeon HD 5650, which is one of the more common cards as far as laptops in my price range of about $1200-$1300, is rated significantly under my old geforce 8800 gt.

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#19 Jul 14 2010 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
levauron wrote:
I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon


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Ergh. Bad news for laptops. Which I kinda expected, but man, not to that degree. The difference between the radeon HD 5870 and mobility HD 5870 on benchmark scores is more than double (the mobility card gets 46% the score as the standard card). Wasn't aware that the gap was that huge. The mobility radeon HD 5650, which is one of the more common cards as far as laptops in my price range of about $1200-$1300, is rated significantly under my old geforce 8800 gt.

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...and I shouldn't have to remind you that the 8800 GT is just barely able to meet minimum, if at all.

XIV is very very mean to laptops; when I said that high end laptops were getting in the low 3000s on the 720p benchmark, I wasn't kidding.

Just for shiggles, I should run the benchmark on my own laptop, just to see how horribly it performs. It will likely hate me for a day or two.
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#20 Jul 14 2010 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
levauron wrote:
I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon


Here you go
Ergh. Bad news for laptops. Which I kinda expected, but man, not to that degree. The difference between the radeon HD 5870 and mobility HD 5870 on benchmark scores is more than double (the mobility card gets 46% the score as the standard card). Wasn't aware that the gap was that huge. The mobility radeon HD 5650, which is one of the more common cards as far as laptops in my price range of about $1200-$1300, is rated significantly under my old geforce 8800 gt.

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...and I shouldn't have to remind you that the 8800 GT is just barely able to meet minimum, if at all.

XIV is very very mean to laptops; when I said that high end laptops were getting in the low 3000s on the 720p benchmark, I wasn't kidding.

Just for shiggles, I should run the benchmark on my own laptop, just to see how horribly it performs. It will likely hate me for a day or two.
As far as mobile cards go, the HD 5870 is just about tied for leader of the pack, a hair under dual HD 4870s - according to that chart. The score is only about 30% above my 8800 GT, but again I'm not really looking for insanely potent graphics, I just want something that can run comfortably at 720p. How do you think that card stacks up, keeping in mind the relatively low bar I'm setting?
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#21 Jul 14 2010 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
levauron wrote:
I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon


Here you go
Ergh. Bad news for laptops. Which I kinda expected, but man, not to that degree. The difference between the radeon HD 5870 and mobility HD 5870 on benchmark scores is more than double (the mobility card gets 46% the score as the standard card). Wasn't aware that the gap was that huge. The mobility radeon HD 5650, which is one of the more common cards as far as laptops in my price range of about $1200-$1300, is rated significantly under my old geforce 8800 gt.

_(._.)_


...and I shouldn't have to remind you that the 8800 GT is just barely able to meet minimum, if at all.

XIV is very very mean to laptops; when I said that high end laptops were getting in the low 3000s on the 720p benchmark, I wasn't kidding.

Just for shiggles, I should run the benchmark on my own laptop, just to see how horribly it performs. It will likely hate me for a day or two.
As far as mobile cards go, the HD 5870 is just about tied for leader of the pack, a hair under dual HD 4870s - according to that chart. The score is only about 30% above my 8800 GT, but again I'm not really looking for insanely potent graphics, I just want something that can run comfortably at 720p. How do you think that card stacks up, keeping in mind the relatively low bar I'm setting?


Most i7/5870 laptops are getting in the low 3000s; some in the mid 3000s, as I mentioned. I'd recommend going with that.
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I ran the benchmark and got a 4800 on low settings. I know that this will be fine but, I was hoping to at least get above 5k. I have been looking at the gtx 470 and the radeon 5870 both of which have varying reviews. My main concern is will I get a noticeable performance increase from a gtx280 to a gtx 470/radeon 5870/5850. From what I have been gathering the processor isn't a HUGE factor so I felt I could possibly OC my 920 to 3.6gig and save a upgrade there (think thats worth it). I have always been a nvidia gpu user so It has been a struggle trying to relate performance between that and a ATI.

Thanks,
Jon


If your goal is simply to get over 5k on the benchmark on low, it could be simpler than you think.

First, download CPU-Z and GPU-Z and check how much your CPU/GPU are being used while running the benchmark. I'm going to take a guess that your CPU will be running fairly high and your GPU would be running pretty low (running the benchmark on low is more CPU-dependent than GPU-dependent)...in which case would mean that the bottleneck is your CPU.

If this is the case, simply get an H50 liquid cooler for your CPU (have someone install it for you if you don't know how) and OC your CPU to 4Ghz.

This will put your benchmark score to over 5k. No need to buy a new CPU or GPU.

Check this out: http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3729/cpuscaling.jpg
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#23 Jul 15 2010 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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In terms of sticking a new piece of hardware in your PC, that GTX280 could use an upgrade sooner than the i7. The i7 has overclockability, but you honestly wouldn't get that much of a performance boost by replacing it with a more expensive i7 (some, but not as much as if you replaced the GPU).

After the GPU upgrade, if you feel like you could stand for more performance might I suggest (and I might get shot down for this) investing in a SSD? While the prices aren't the best just yet, and capacity is still an issue, SSDs are not to be overlooked if you're considering a serious performance upgrade. While this wouldn't necessarily boost your benchmark score, load times would be highly improved, and your system overall would be dramatically snappier. They can be prohibitively expensive, but judging by the equipment in your machine, you're no stranger to spending extra coin on good hardware. Even if you just go with a smaller one for the OS alone, you'll be thanking yourself.
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Actually I did order a h50 last week and its due to be delivered today. I did days worth of research and determined its the best bang for the buck. I will try to get 4gig out of my I7 but I don't want to run the voltages to high and I am kind of a newbie at OCing.
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Cool, and if it's not too much of a hassle, could you run the benchmark at increments of .2Ghz and post the differences? I'd like to see how the results scale from 3.2 to 3.4 to 3.6 to 3.8 to 4.0. ^^
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for sure
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I will have some screenshots up soon with the oc'ing in regards to the benchmark. I am gonna let my Thermal paste cure some. I did notice however the radeon 5970 scored below the gtx 470 is that accurate? I am stronly considering picking up the gtx for 300$ if that the best video option for me
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