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#1 Jul 16 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent

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So I was just on a lunch break and whilst grabbing a coffee at the local mall popped into EB Games to look at new releases I am not going to buy since all the new releases for PS3 are craptasstic right now. I noticed that the have a shelf of boxes for games coming soon, its part of the in store advertising. I happened to see FFXIV being advertised as being released soon.

Now I knew about the PC sept 2010 release and the PS3 March 2011 release so I initially thought that they must of gotten muddled up and were advertising the PC release in the PS3 section of the store. I took a closer look and it clearly had just the PS3 symbol on the box. My next thought (well actually I had had several thought in between the first one and this one but this was my next relevant thought) was that EB must be getting desperate for good games to get customers hyped about if it needs to advertise a game being released in March 2011 in July of 2010. I walked over to girl working there and asked her when FFXIV was due for release on the PS3 and after looking it up she said it was slated for a December release. Last time I went to that same store (late last week) FFXIV had an undetermined release date of late 2010 and there was no FFXIV box on the coming soon shelf.

Reasons for this being a positive sign of earlier PS3 release date
1. Projected PS3 FFXIV sales in NA maybe a distant second place to PC sales, but in Japan if I remember right sales of the PS2 FFXI were much higher than PC sales in that region. I think it will be the same deal for FFXIV. I don't think SE would want to settle for releasing the PS3 version of the game 6 months behind the PC version in a territory that will have much higher console sales Vs. PC
2. There is that statement (won't call it a guarantee or a promise) of simultaneous world wide release which led everyone to equate that to PC and PS3 versions released same day world wide.
3. major game retailers are often in the know about release dates before the general public.
4. Major game retailers would be reluctant to fill their advertising space with advertising for games that they are really not sure when will be released especially in a coming soon section.
5. A christmas release would be better for sales of the PS3 copies of the game.
6. There are (as always) many different MMO's due for release at some point in the next 6 months, one of those is DCUO an MMO for the PS3 (set in the D.C. comics universe). I have no doubt that FFXIV will be a better MMO and will be highly anticipated by the public, but if FFXIV is released for PS3 many months after DCUO then maybe people will try and stick with DCUO and not bother waiting for FFXIV. PS3 only users have slim pickings for MMO's and two being released within 6 months of each other is going to kill one of the products on the PS3... (seriously if you have the time to fully play two MMO's your either jobless, incapacitated, or just fail at life so live every moment online).
7. I really, really want this to be true and I will throw a runaway sized hissy fit if I can't play this at Christmas.

Reasons for this discovery being a big bag of shiiite.
1. Projected overall sales of FFXIV world wide will be largely PC based so SE might be choosing to focus on guaranteeing the PC release date at the expense of the PS# release date.
2. That release date statement was very ambiguous so really SE has no guarnatees or promises to be held to.
3a. Major game retailers often project games being released early next calendar year as having a December release date.
3b. Major game retailer shop staff are usually pretty clueless and don't actually have the release date for games when asked and so they pretend to type something on their computer, pause for a second and give a very vague answer that really doesn't commit to a specific date.
4. As I mentioned in my intro there is sweet F.A. in terms of quality games due to be released for the PS3 before the huge christmas release schedule. so maybe EB was filling space on the coming soon shelves.
5. A christmas release would be better for sales of the PS3 copies of the game, but I hoped for a possible Christmas release of FFXI on PS2 and ended up with it being released in NA in March (i think it was march, t'was a long time ago, but definitely released in spring).
6. The MMO market is PC based the huge majority of MMO's due to be released are going to be PC only and that is where the battle for the success or failure of FFXIV will be fought.
7. The gods don't care about what I want and really really want to LOL @ me for throwing a hissy fit over Christmas because I can't play an MMO.

Anyway my apologies for the shockingly long narrative of this post when I could have just written

"Went to game store they have FFXIV advertised to be released in December"

TBH i Am being long winded in this post because I have a ton of amending company contracts, service agreements, and other dreadfully boring tasks at work today and any excuse not to do it I will happily take :)




#2 Jul 16 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not gonna guess if it's true or another mess up of the game store, but I'm pretty sure there's absolutely no reason for SE to hold back the PS3 releasing date intentionally. It's just simple logic that if I'd spent years of time and millions of dollar to make a product, I would try to throw it out to the market as soon as the product is ready. (By ready, I mean it went through the alpha, beta or whatever stages that needed to go through to make it a well completed product) Sorry I'm a little off topic...but then I really hope there would be an official announcement about it soon.
#3 Jul 16 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Default
I personally think that as much as I would like EB to be giving me info that turns out to be accurate they really are not the most competent source of info so its prolly wrong, but I thought I would post this to waste time at work and if it turned out to be true I could post an I called it post and act like the smug [******* Sword] I truly am.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 2:57pm by FlogginaDeadHorse
#4 Jul 16 2010 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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Doubtful that EB has been given some better info than what SE would release.

December is maybe the best possible scenario date, which will get slipped if needed. Just like March is probably the latest date that SE will accept from their team.

Presumably, the changes from Beta testing will have a quick turn-around time for PC. I think the changes are being done concurrently with the testing? Something tells me the PS3 version will not begin to be changed until the Beta is complete - all design descisions have been made.

I'm thinking they can't finalize the PS3 release date until they know the extent of the Beta changes. December seems like the optimistic version. Here's hoping though.

PS: Avoiding work is a spot-on reason for long forum posts. Look, I just filled 3+ paragraphs with guesswork and assumptions. Cheers!

#5 Jul 17 2010 at 3:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Who knows, SE wont give a date on the PS3 until they know they have it finished or will be finished. They don't want to **** off the PS3 owners anymore. I just wonder what type of ingame items we'll get for the ps3 release? Maybe a 3X exp ring so we can catch up to everyone else that started 6 months earlier?..lol
Thats what the goggles are for in the PC release on the 30th.
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#6 Jul 17 2010 at 4:13 AM Rating: Good
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Why do I feel like I've replied to this thread already...

At any rate, I do hope that the PS3 release doesn't take until March, I really would like to see it before the end of 2010. I'll trust SE's word over Gamestop's though.
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#7 Jul 17 2010 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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It would be nice to get it in december. I would have thought though, that if there was any chance of it happening SE would tell us as soon as possible. They've upset a lot of people and would jump at the chance to appease us if they could.
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They've upset a lot of people


The people need to be upset with the RIGHT ppl. Namely Sony.

with 512Mb + 512 Mb ram the PS3 has the same ammount of total system memory as my video card alone.
And, as I understand it, coding for the cell processor ranks right up there with bleaching your eyes and extended root canal surgery without benefit of anisthetic.

Remember here, the guys that make these deals are NOT the same people that have to program the game. It would have been nice to have been a fly on the wall the day the programmers got word they were gonna have to port FFXIV to PS3. "you want us to make THIS work. . on *THAT*?!
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#9 Jul 17 2010 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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I'm conflicted. While I would like to sit here and believe this to be true. . . I know Gamestop (the retail that took over EB Games in my area)employees typically have their thumbs right up their you-know-wheres and give inaccurate information and terrible customer service. I hate to be the pessimist, but I would put more faith in someone being sadly mistaken at EB than an earlier release.
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Remember here, the guys that make these deals are NOT the same people that have to program the game. It would have been nice to have been a fly on the wall the day the programmers got word they were gonna have to port FFXIV to PS3. "you want us to make THIS work. . on *THAT*?!

So, boss, is it OK if we make the draw distance about 8 feet? Also, can we reduce the polygons in the grass to, uh, 1? There are great things being done today with green rectangles.
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It's kinda funny since I expected FFXIV to launch in December anyway. That was long before the bombshell of the PC release in Sept. However, it's still too early to tell. I do think that a March release is their worst case scenerio. It's possible to see a Dec launch, wait and see I suppose.
#12 Jul 19 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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seneleron wrote:
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They've upset a lot of people


The people need to be upset with the RIGHT ppl. Namely Sony.

with 512Mb + 512 Mb ram the PS3 has the same ammount of total system memory as my video card alone.
And, as I understand it, coding for the cell processor ranks right up there with bleaching your eyes and extended root canal surgery without benefit of anisthetic.

Remember here, the guys that make these deals are NOT the same people that have to program the game. It would have been nice to have been a fly on the wall the day the programmers got word they were gonna have to port FFXIV to PS3. "you want us to make THIS work. . on *THAT*?!


SE has known the system specs of the PS3 for four years now, and have already released one game (FFXIII) on the platform using the same game engine used for XIV. The RAM inside the box didn't creep up on the devs unexpectedly... they've known what they were dealing with since deciding to bring the game to the platform. XIV has been planned as a multiplatform release for longer than we've known the actual name of the game. Even when they referred to it as Project Rapture, they were intending a console release... and both of the consoles they considered have 512 MB of RAM.
#13 Jul 19 2010 at 3:24 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I do have to admit that the whole "suddenly, they don't have enough RAM on a system they have produces games for in the past" thing is peculiar.

I'm still willing to take it at face value; I just find it odd.
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Maybe December is the pre-order date?? I dunno, but I've seen so many mistakes from games sites and stores, I wouldn't place to much stock in what she said mate x
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Mikhalia wrote:
Yeah, I do have to admit that the whole "suddenly, they don't have enough RAM on a system they have produces games for in the past" thing is peculiar.

I'm still willing to take it at face value; I just find it odd.


Yup, I feel basically the same. Stuff comes up. The whole story isn't really that important, anyhow. If I were working on a project and someone goofed, I wouldn't throw that guy under the bus to my client. I'd give them the basics and assure them we're doing everything we can moving forward to get the best product out in the fastest time. And I trust that the devs want the PS3 client out as badly as the players do.

But they'll get it all together. These guys got FFXI running on 32mb of RAM O.O . If they can do that, they can do this.
#16 Jul 19 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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seneleron wrote:
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They've upset a lot of people


The people need to be upset with the RIGHT ppl. Namely Sony.

with 512Mb + 512 Mb ram the PS3 has the same ammount of total system memory as my video card alone.
And, as I understand it, coding for the cell processor ranks right up there with bleaching your eyes and extended root canal surgery without benefit of anisthetic.

Remember here, the guys that make these deals are NOT the same people that have to program the game. It would have been nice to have been a fly on the wall the day the programmers got word they were gonna have to port FFXIV to PS3. "you want us to make THIS work. . on *THAT*?!
The PS3 doesn't have 1 GB RAM total, it has 512 (256 MB x 2).
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#17 Jul 19 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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If you seriously think that SE wants to delay the PS3 version on purpose you're out of your mind. The date they gave is not a Gran Turismo date, it's a pessimistic date. You can bet you chocobo eggs that they will do everything possible to get hte PS3 version out the door ASAP. Until then... I guess we'll see this thread and the "can my PC run this because I'm too lazy to download the benchmark" thread.
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#18 Jul 19 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you seriously think that SE wants to delay the PS3 version on purpose you're out of your mind. The date they gave is not a Gran Turismo date, it's a pessimistic date. You can bet you chocobo eggs that they will do everything possible to get hte PS3 version out the door ASAP. Until then... I guess we'll see this thread and the "can my PC run this because I'm too lazy to download the benchmark" thread.


I think there's only one person who actually believes that SE's delay was intentional and I dare not say his name. Hint: It's not Lord Voldemort.
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Heres my guess. The PC and the PS3 empty boxes were sent at the same time knowing that the PS3 release is subject to change. (just for shur not the same time as PC) The EB store employee desides to just put it out on display since he had it.

As you said, there was no good PS3 games coming out, so maybe they desided to advertise FFXIV 6 months early.

I think the news of earlyer release would hit this board instantly if any EB employee finds out.
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#20 Jul 19 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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FlogginaDeadHorse wrote:
1. Projected PS3 FFXIV sales in NA maybe a distant second place to PC sales, but in Japan if I remember right sales of the PS2 FFXI were much higher than PC sales in that region. I think it will be the same deal for FFXIV. I don't think SE would want to settle for releasing the PS3 version of the game 6 months behind the PC version in a territory that will have much higher console sales Vs. PC
Well, for FFXI the PS2 version in JP came out 5 and a half months before the PC version. The PC version in the US came out 5 months before the PS2 version. That would easily account for the demand.

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EB/Gamestop/Best Buy/etc. do not have more in-depth knowledge than SE does on the ps3 release date. You were told dec '10 by some random employee who has absolutely no idea when the actual release date is, and who is very likely just pulling out a random timeframe from 6 months ago to make you shut up about it. Yes, an xmas release would be nice, but that means pushing it ahead 4 months. If it can't be done it can't be done, learn to deal with it or get a ********** PC.

Interesting how you go on to talk about why all your reasoning is total garbage. Seems like a lot of work for nothing.
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I think there's only one person who actually believes that SE's delay was intentional and I dare not say his name. Hint: It's not Lord Voldemort.


Does it end in a Y? *shudders*
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#22 Jul 19 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry but EBgamse is not a good indicator on when games come out. To be honest, 9 times out of 10 I know more about gaming and games in general than their employees. You think that they could try to read a gaming site once or twice to know what they are talking about. One person their didn't even know you could use Silver Pass on 360 FFXI and insisted I needed a Gold Pass.

Anyway I'm thinking the issue with the PS3 wasn't the RAM per say, but the graphic overhaul they did from Alpha to Beta at the last minute, http://www.youtube.com/finalfantasyxiv#p/u/0/-99sSSS3eP4. Most likely hit some unforeseen challenges in coding and gave a rough estimate on when they would be finished. When the boss ask you how long it will take you don't say a month and finish in three. You tell him six months and finish in three. Also I say kudos for SE on not releasing an Alpha Graphic version on PS3 and Beta version on PC. I can wait longer if it means having better graphics.
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When the boss ask you how long it will take you don't say a month and finish in three. You tell him six months and finish in three.


This is so true!


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I just wish they would push PC version back to match PS3. There really is little to no reason to split them. FFXI still has add-ons set to come out and level cap raise till end of the year. Just push it all back to March, suck what little life is left in FFXI out and release them together. No one ******** besides PC people who will just keep playing FFXI till then, and everyone gets an even playing field.
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#25 Jul 20 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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I just wish they would push PC version back to match PS3. There really is little to no reason to split them. FFXI still has add-ons set to come out and level cap raise till end of the year. Just push it all back to March, suck what little life is left in FFXI out and release them together. No one ******** besides PC people who will just keep playing FFXI till then, and everyone gets an even playing field.


From a strictly financial standpoint, it makes no sense whatsoever to delay a finished product that could be making you monthly fees if you can put it on the shelves. The only reason the PC version would get delayed (and to be honest, I partially expect this anyway) is if the beta takes too long.

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I think there's only one person who actually believes that SE's delay was intentional and I dare not say his name. Hint: It's not Lord Voldemort.


Does it end in a Y? *shudders*


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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
I think there's only one person who actually believes that SE's delay was intentional and I dare not say his name. Hint: It's not Lord Voldemort.


I thought there were about 3 here, thankfully 1 of them has been quiet the last few days. However on other sites I visit there seem to be non-trolls who still fell the same way. Personally I would think it obvious that they want the software for all hardware available ASAP so they can start collecting funds... MMOs are negative income for a few years for most publishers, it's a longterm investment and the sooner you get a mostly quality product out, the sooner you start getting back in the black. Obviously alot of MMOs fail on the quality part and don't fix things until it's too late (ala AoC from what I hear, or SWG unless you were playing from the begning)
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