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#1 Jul 16 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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At what point does it stop making a difference?

I wish more people rocking 4500+ on the benchmarks would specifiy how much RAM they were using and if it was 1333 or 1600.

1600 is $$$$$$$
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#2 Jul 16 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Excellent
I highly doubt the game will really take advantage of that much memory. For your money you would be far better off just optimizing the memory channels and upping your memory clocks.
#3 Jul 16 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Both seem a bit unnecessary to me. I have 8 gigs of ram and I think that amount is still too much at this point in time. Maybe in a year or two.
#4 Jul 16 2010 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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My main box is a core i7 with 1600mhz capable memory. I went with 6GB 1600mhz mem with decent timings because of a modest overclock on my i7 @ 3.8ghz. Right now my system is very stable at 7-8-7-20 timings if i remember. The memory is at 1.65v the rated spec and its actually running at 1530mhz i think.

Sadly the nvidia cards are not doing so well in the benchmarks as Ati but that might change with future drivers. To give you an idea of my benchmarks look below

high scores only

1x gtx275 gave 3100
1x gtx470 gave 3400
2x gtx470 gave 5860 (rename tweak to force sli)

Stock clocks on all video cards
Sorry i didnt get a chance to run 2x gtx275 but im going to estimate around 5000
#5 Jul 16 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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For gaming 9GB or 12GB RAM won't make a (noticeable) difference.
For multitasking more is better :)
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#6 Jul 16 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I would be surprised of anything more than 4GB is going to help you for running FFXIV. Save your money on the amount of RAM and put it in either faster RAM, CPU or video card.
#7 Jul 16 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I scored a 4836 on high and 8062 on low. I have 6GB DDR3 of Kingston 1333 Ram.
#8 Jul 16 2010 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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rubypenguin wrote:

1x gtx470 gave 3400


That's very low for an i7 3.8Ghz + GTX 470 combo. =/ You should be getting about 4k even at GPU stock clock.

Have you tried installing the latest beta drivers?
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#9 Jul 16 2010 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah i have. The benchmark loves more cpu clock speed and i have the newest drivers, the beta surround ones. Most of the top gtx400 series leaders have oc their gpu's as well. It absolutely loves more mhz on the gpu though. Perhaps I am just an anomaly but i think it's just bad drivers on nvidia's side and you seeing people with heavily overclocked ati cards since they run cooler.
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I think your case is an anomaly. :(
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#11 Jul 16 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Unless you intend on having a 30GB photoshop project running in the background of FFXIV, Do not blow your money on stupid amounts of RAM.
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#12 Jul 16 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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An i7 @ stock speeds with a 470 can get over 4k, something doesn't sound right.

edit: On topic, you will see no difference between 9 gigs and 12 gigs. Spend your money on something better.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 5:56pm by mpmaley
#13 Jul 16 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Ran the benchmark again with sli completely disabled and put back original exe for the bench and got 3563 on high for 1 gtx 470. I think if you look around a gtx470 @ stock speeds is about on par with that score. The ati cards just dominate this bench even with a 5850.
#14 Jul 16 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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Unless you're running a ton of programs at once 4gigs is more than enough. 9 is more than you would need for several years to come...12...is just a waste of money as you'd more than likely need to upgrade to a better ram before you find yourself using all of it.
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I recently upgraded my RAM from 2 gb to 6gb pc800 RAM, and it didn't change my score 1 bit. So i doubt RAM has much of a factor, the Benchmark seems highly dependent on your GPU, not RAM. Unfortunately for me, I just bought my current card (building on a budget, have a 1GB DDR3 nvidia GT230), and upgrading that card is not going to be possible.



...Just out of curiosity though, my Windows Experience Index says that my HDD transfer rate is only 5.9, so I wonder if putting in a bigger and faster RPM drive would improve benchmark scores.


For the record, I scored 1425 on both benchmark runs, but the rendering played back very smoothly, even when there were a lot of characters and enemies on screen. The only time it dropped was during the rain/water splashing sequences on the boat, but went back to normal during the monster attack.
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#16 Jul 16 2010 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
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For what is currently available on the marked, 4 GB is fine, 6 GB is plenty. Anything more than 6 GB is just overly future-proofing your system. Now there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you want to do, but you're not going to fully utilize 8-12 GB of RAM for quite some time. It's kinda like when you move out of your parents' house into your first apartment or home; you know how you have all that underutilized space (until you get stuff to fill it)? Think of it along those lines; except the stuff to fill it isn't out yet.
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#17 Jul 16 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Depending on your motherboard, shoot for 4 gigs of dual channel or 6 gigs of triple channel memory. In terms of FFXIV or gaming in general, anything more than that and you risk running up against some serious diminishing returns.

Tom's Hardware did an article last year titled Do You Really Need More Than 6 GB Of RAM? Definitely worth a read.

The Conclusion:

Tom's Hardware wrote:
Not much has changed since 4 GB of RAM became the “sweet spot” for performance and price in the enthusiast market. While 32-bit operating systems previously limited those 4 GB configurations to around 3 GB of useful memory space, today's test shows that 3 GB is still usually enough.

We can only recommend larger capacities of 8 GB to 12 GB for professional applications where its usefulness has already been documented and for servers. None of our tests required high-memory capacities and wasted RAM is a burden both financially and ecologically.


Edited, Jul 16th 2010 9:26pm by akirussan
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#18 Jul 17 2010 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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UnusedName wrote:
At what point does it stop making a difference?


Several gigabytes ago.
#19 Jul 17 2010 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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Considering the fact that even if they enable LARGEADDRESSAWARE, it still won't be able to use more than 4gb of RAM (since I doubt they will make a x64 version of the game), and you would have to be running an x64 OS (which admittedly more and more people are these days)to even see that benefit, then 9 or 12, neither will matter, unless you are running soooooo many other applications at the same time that they are using up 8+gb of your ram.
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#20 Jul 17 2010 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the title should read "Waste $$$ vs $$$".
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#21 Jul 17 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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My system has 12 gigs of RAM in it and I put it to good use. When you have higher amounts of RAM it allows you to do fun things like eliminate the windows swap and temp files on your HDD speeding up the system in general. Even with that, though, 9 would be enough but I also am a compulsive multitasker with three monitors populated at all times with multiple applications. Right now under a typical load I have 7.9 gigs of my RAM in use. When I fire up a game on top of that it can easily clear into the 10 range. Memory is cheap, relatively speaking ... I think it cost me $300 for 12 gigs of high quality DDR3 RAM when I dug around.

With all that said, the extra RAM would mostly be for multitasking headroom while the game is running. I wouldn't recommend more than 6 gigs unless you're doing stuff like what's described above.
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