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#1 Jul 16 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I am looking to get an all in one PC which isn't ideal for gaming, but I am curious to know if this computer will even be able to run the game? Does anyone know how it would benchmark? Here are the specs:

Processor
Model: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor P7450
Speed: 2.13GHz
# of Cores: 2
Cache: 3MB L2 Cache
Bus Speed: 1066MHz FSB
Chipset: NVIDIA MCP7A-JC

Memory:
Size: 4GB
Type: DDR3
Speed: PC3-10600

Graphics
Type: PCI-Express x16 Video Card
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT230M
Memory: 1GB Dedicated Graphics Memory


I am concerned with the graphics card and afraid it won't be able to handle FFXIV. Does anyone have any information that will help?
#2 Jul 16 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're getting a laptop, you're going to need an extremely powerful one to run FFXIV. That one looks like it's barely going to be able to play it at all.

For laptops right now the current recommendation is intel core i7 (4 cores) with a mobility radeon HD 5870.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 5:06pm by bsphil
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#3 Jul 16 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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It is actually an HP Touchscreen.

HP 600-1055 All in One 23" TouchSmart PC with Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P7450, 4GB DDR3, 750GB HD, Nvidia GT230 & Windows 7 HP

If it can't run the game at all though I might have to re-think it though.
#4 Jul 16 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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The chipset is a mobile chipset though, so essentially it has the internal structure of a laptop in a touchscreen desktop. The difference between a mobile video card and a desktop video card is tremendous, in terms of performance. Expect a mobile video card to perform at half or lower the level of the same model card in a desktop.
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For what it's worth my laptop (Asus G50VT-X5) has same CPU and RAM specs but a Geforce 9800m GS 512MB GPU (which according to the Nvidia site is a bit more powerful than the GT 230M) and I am pegging around 1,800 on the FFXIV benchmark. I overclocked the CPU and GPU and hit 2192. Hope this bit of information is some help.
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#6 Jul 16 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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Laptops are historically bad for gaming in general; the same model processor/video in a laptop is going to give you far, far less performance on a laptop than a desktop.

A Phenom II X4 with a Radeon 5770 (Bench 4000ish) in a desktop will outperform an i7 with a 5870 (Bench 3000ish) in a laptop.

Given that XIV is likely to be a very demanding game, you're going to have to overcompensate for this very much.
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A Phenom II X4 with a Radeon 5770 (Bench 4000ish) in a desktop will outperform an i7 with a 5870 (Bench 3000ish) in a laptop.


3600 to 3700ish on 720 tyvm /indignant. You are absolutely correct however. Full desktops with achieve MUCH higher benchmarks with relatively less expensive notebook/all-in-one machines.

Unless there's a reason you absolutely HAVE to go with an all in one, you'll be much better off with a true desktop. This also leaves you the option of future upgrades, as opposed to an all in one that you're stuck with as-is.

And that's a pretty big stuck, with a very weak and dated Core2 Duo processor and video card.

Good rule of thumb is to think of it like this: "What's the BEST tool for the job I need to do"?

If your job is word processing, e-mail, facebook, maybe some casual games from Popcap or something, a low budget PC will easily fit your needs in most cases.

If your job is wanting it to run "heavy" games [new releases that have larger hardware requirements] you need to choose a machine that will run those games. You wouldn't use a ball peen hammer to try to drive a 6" steel spike into a concrete floor.

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#8 Jul 17 2010 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
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I have a Toshiba laptop with the GT230M graphics card and I'm barely hitting just over 1000 in terms of the benchmark score. I wouldn't go with that option if I were you. I have heard of beta testers that are able to play with a score of 1000, but it ran fairly slow compared to other players and they were looking to upgrade when they got a chance.

I wouldn't advise it.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 11:54pm by UltKnightGrover
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#9 Jul 17 2010 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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Since it's sort of relevant, I would rather post this in an existing thread than start my own. I've heard a lot on these forums about how must laptops under two grand won't be able to handle ffxiv very well. At the same time, I've heard other people say that as long as you have 2.0ghz, 4 GB ram, and something like a Nvidia Geforce GTX 260m, you should be ok.

With that said, do you guys think this will play ffxiv ok?:

Sager np8760
Intel Calpella Platform with PM55 chipset
Intel® Core™ i7-620M (2.66~3.33GHz, 35W) w/4MB Cache - 2 Cores, 4 Threads
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 285M 1GB GDDR3
4GB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3/1066 Dual Channel Memory

And would it be worth it, for 20 dollars, to upgrade to:
Intel® Core™ i7-740QM (1.73~2.93GHz, 45W) w/6M Cache - 4 Cores, 8 Threads?

Yes, I need to get a laptop.
And feedback would be greatly appreciated.
#10 Jul 17 2010 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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Since it's sort of relevant, I would rather post this in an existing thread than start my own. I've heard a lot on these forums about how must laptops under two grand won't be able to handle ffxiv very well. At the same time, I've heard other people say that as long as you have 2.0ghz, 4 GB ram, and something like a Nvidia Geforce GTX 260m, you should be ok.

With that said, do you guys think this will play ffxiv ok?:

Sager np8760
Intel Calpella Platform with PM55 chipset
Intel® Core™ i7-620M (2.66~3.33GHz, 35W) w/4MB Cache - 2 Cores, 4 Threads
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 285M 1GB GDDR3
4GB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3/1066 Dual Channel Memory

And would it be worth it, for 20 dollars, to upgrade to:
Intel® Core™ i7-740QM (1.73~2.93GHz, 45W) w/6M Cache - 4 Cores, 8 Threads?

Yes, I need to get a laptop.
And feedback would be greatly appreciated.


An upgrade from dual core to quad core would be extremely advisable.

You should be able to do okay like that. Keep in mind though that even the most expensive laptops won't get over 4000 on the benchmark currently, so don't anticipate spectacular graphics. Even the best laptops probably won't do much better than medium on 720p.

If you want better graphics/performance, get a desktop. If you have to have the portability and are willing to pay more AND sacrifice graphics and performance for it, then that laptop (with the quad core) should be okay.
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Reidrick wrote:
Since it's sort of relevant, I would rather post this in an existing thread than start my own. I've heard a lot on these forums about how must laptops under two grand won't be able to handle ffxiv very well. At the same time, I've heard other people say that as long as you have 2.0ghz, 4 GB ram, and something like a Nvidia Geforce GTX 260m, you should be ok.

With that said, do you guys think this will play ffxiv ok?:

Sager np8760
Intel Calpella Platform with PM55 chipset
Intel® Core™ i7-620M (2.66~3.33GHz, 35W) w/4MB Cache - 2 Cores, 4 Threads
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 285M 1GB GDDR3
4GB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3/1066 Dual Channel Memory

And would it be worth it, for 20 dollars, to upgrade to:
Intel® Core™ i7-740QM (1.73~2.93GHz, 45W) w/6M Cache - 4 Cores, 8 Threads?

Yes, I need to get a laptop.
And feedback would be greatly appreciated.


The i7 620M could probably run the game on low.

The GTX 285 will probably either run the game horribly or not at all.
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#12 Jul 17 2010 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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For $1400 I wouldn't waste my money, the asus G73 is only $200 more and has the 5870. If Asus isn't your thing specifically, i'd head over to

http://www.xoticpc.com/

And see what you can do. I was just looking @

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8690-built-clevo-w860cu-custom-gaming-laptop-p-2659.html

$1179 with radeon 5870. If it were me I'd up the processor a little, but still. . . . and ram is easy to add later /shrug.
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The GTX 285 will probably either run the game horribly or not at all.

I think a GTX 285 would do fine... it is a pretty nice card.
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The GTX 285 will probably either run the game horribly or not at all.

I think a GTX 285 would do fine... it is a pretty nice card.


Obviously I forgot to type the M.
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#15 Jul 17 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Could someone give me a reason as to why they think ffxiv is going to have 5-10x more taxing requirements than any other game currently on the market?

This is basically what SE expects the minimum requirements to be:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo (2GHz) \ AMD Athlon X2 (2GHz)
RAM: 1.5 GB Ram
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 VRAM 256 MB or equivalent

Are these really so godly or is SE lying?
#16 Jul 17 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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Could someone give me a reason as to why they think ffxiv is going to have 5-10x more taxing requirements than any other game currently on the market?

This is basically what SE expects the minimum requirements to be:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo (2GHz) \ AMD Athlon X2 (2GHz)
RAM: 1.5 GB Ram
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 VRAM 256 MB or equivalent

Are these really so godly or is SE lying?



They're not lying, they're just going with a pretty strict definition of "minimum". The roof of XIV's potential is enormous. As we can see by people's Benchmark results.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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Could someone give me a reason as to why they think ffxiv is going to have 5-10x more taxing requirements than any other game currently on the market?

This is basically what SE expects the minimum requirements to be:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo (2GHz) \ AMD Athlon X2 (2GHz)
RAM: 1.5 GB Ram
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 VRAM 256 MB or equivalent

Are these really so godly or is SE lying?



They're not lying, they're just going with a pretty strict definition of "minimum". The roof of XIV's potential is enormous. As we can see by people's Benchmark results.


Yeah, when they say minimum, they mean minimum in the very most literal possible way. As in "Turn everything way way down as low as it will go, and you're still going to see slowdowns and low frame rates on this system, but technically the game installed and ran."

The minimum requirements are what you need to install the game and to get it to launch. If you want it to actually perform reasonably or look acceptable, you're going to want more.
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Minimum = 5 fps on low settings.

They're pretty f*cking serious about making FFXIV the Crysis of 2010.
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Minimum = 5 fps on low settings.

They're pretty f*cking serious about making FFXIV the Crysis of 2010.


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I wonder if FFXIV gonna run on this kind of notebook.

MacBook Pro
2.66GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
512MB의 NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M


That's only one option. The other options are Asus G51JX-3D and MSI GT660.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 9:10pm by hexid
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I wonder if FFXIV gonna run on this kind of notebook.

MacBook Pro
2.66GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
512MB의 NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M


That's only one option. The other options are Asus G51JX-3D and MSI GT660.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 9:10pm by hexid


I would be extremely surprised if this ran XIV at all well.
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#22 Jul 26 2010 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
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hexid wrote:
I wonder if FFXIV gonna run on this kind of notebook.

MacBook Pro
2.66GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
512MB의 NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M


That's only one option. The other options are Asus G51JX-3D and MSI GT660.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 9:10pm by hexid
I'd get none of them, especially not the Macbook. If you want to run the game smoothly on low, you'll either need a Mobility Radeon HD 5870 or a GeForce GTX 480M. Laptop GPUs are that underpowered, but it stands to reason why. This is what I'd recommend, since you're looking at about that price range anyway. It's actually cheaper but will perform far better in FFXIV.
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