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#1 Jul 19 2010 at 4:40 AM Rating: Default
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Hello new here.

Looking at the minimum requirements. I seem to have the minimums (slightly above for processor) for everything but my video card. Obviously this isn't amazing.

I am honestly not looking for a spectacular computer to run this game for now. Something that can run on Low to Medium settings with minimal lag. Even Low settings with no lag works.

I am not really computer savvy honestly. So I am really looking for specifics to help me out.

One thing I know I need to upgrade is my video card. If I were to do that, with everything else listed below, would I be able to run the game on Low? I know I will need a new power supply to run the new card. So help is also needed there.

Also Note. With this pc, I can run WoW (ya lol) on Medium/High settings in raids. I also ran Aion in Low-Medium settings with hardly any lag. The only time I lagged was during fortress raids, and I would crash. But from what I hear now, a lot of people crashed from that anyways.

I downloaded the Benchmark program. Got the directx 9 error. Updated that. Then I went to run it and it crashed. So I updated my graphics card drivers and now it says "Data Corrupted, unable to run program". When before updating the graphics card drivers, it would at least open, and then close.

Here's my pc specs. Let me know if I missed anything

AMD Athlon 64 x2 dual core processor 5200+, 2.6 GHz

1918 MB (2 gigs?)

NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430

So summarize. What I am looking for is.

1. What is the cheapest card I can get to run Low settings fine. Maybe 1 step up from cheapest settings.

2. Are my other things OK for Low-Medium if I update my card?

3. What power supply will I need (again cheapest) to run this.

Also, somewhat related.

1. I updated my NVIDIA drivers (I did the series 6 download for the 6150SE card, that's correct?). After rebooting, my screens resolution was really small. Went and changed it to the correct resolution. However, my icons on my desktop among other things are much smaller than before. And now web pages no longer fill the full screen. Is there a way to fix this?

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 6:41am by Inevitable7
#2 Jul 19 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Good
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Inevitable7 wrote:
Hello new here.

Looking at the minimum requirements. I seem to have the minimums (slightly above for processor) for everything but my video card. Obviously this isn't amazing.

I am honestly not looking for a spectacular computer to run this game for now. Something that can run on Low to Medium settings with minimal lag. Even Low settings with no lag works.


If your system barely meets the minimum requirements, you can expect minimum performance. That means turning EVERYTHING down as far as it will go, and you will still have a low frame rate.


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Here's my pc specs. Let me know if I missed anything

AMD Athlon 64 x2 dual core processor 5200+, 2.6 GHz

1918 MB (2 gigs?)

NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430

So summarize. What I am looking for is.

1. What is the cheapest card I can get to run Low settings fine. Maybe 1 step up from cheapest settings.

2. Are my other things OK for Low-Medium if I update my card?

3. What power supply will I need (again cheapest) to run this.


I need to specify that your post's wording makes your request impossible; for as much as you use the word "cheapest", I have to emphasize that you will get HORRIBLE performance out of "cheapest". For the same of my reply, I will totally ignore the word "cheapest" and I will tell you waht you will want to run the game REASONABLY on low to medium settings.

Processor: Upgrade to a quad core. i7 if you want high end, but if you want "medium", then I suggest at least an Athlon II X4, Phenom II X4, a Core i5 quad core (not a core i5 dual core), or a higher end Core2 Quad.
This will likely mean a motherboard upgrade, so if your current RAM is only DDR2, replace it with DDR3 1066 or DDR3 1333 (better). I suggest 4 GB.

Video Card: GeForce GTX 260 or higher series or Radeon 5770 to get by on low/medium. If you want better, go with a GTX 400 series or a Radeon 5800/5900 series; more expensive but will be high end graphics.

I want to emphasize that I specifically stated "GTX 200/400" and "5770 or higher". Most people who are currently using a GT/GTS series are planning to upgrade them to a GTX series to run FFXIV. Do not even consider anything that says GT or GTS. Ditto for Radeon 5600 or lower. You might get by if you already had a 4870, but I wouldn't suggest buying a new one; go for the 5770, or if you HAVE to cut costs, no lower than a 5750. Any less than this puts you down in that "horrible graphics AND horrible framerate"

Power Supply: If you go with something like a 5770, a 550-600W power supplu should be your bare minimum. Higher for other cards. Depending on the card, it may require a specific 12V rail amperage; if it makes a specific note of that on the video card's requirements, shoot for that. As a general rule, I'd say that look at whatever the video card's requirements say it needs and add NO LESS THAN 150W to that for a quad core; more for a Phenom II X6 or i7 hexacore. More still if you're overclocking; I assume you aren't.

In short: If you don't want the game to look like ****, quad core processor and 5770 or higher or a GTX 260 or higher. If you want it to look REALLY GOOD, I suggest an i7 hex and a 58XX/59XX/GTX 4XX. I cannot reasonably suggest less than either of these, if you are looking for reasonable performance.

Again, these suggestions (except where noted) are not what is needed for high or max settings, they are the suggested specs for low to medium settings.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 7:03am by Mikhalia
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#4 Jul 19 2010 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the response.

Could I go with something like this?

http://shop.amd.com/HP-P6310F-AMD-Athlon-713274858/amd/specs-html

And then update the graphics card? Actually is a graphics card even listed on that list? Or is it the "chipset"?

This seems much cheaper than buying all the parts you mentioned and replacing all of my other things.

Also, with that said. Would I also need a power source?
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Inevitable7 wrote:
Thanks for the response.

Could I go with something like this?

http://shop.amd.com/HP-P6310F-AMD-Athlon-713274858/amd/specs-html

And then update the graphics card? Actually is a graphics card even listed on that list? Or is it the "chipset"?

This seems much cheaper than buying all the parts you mentioned and replacing all of my other things.

Also, with that said. Would I also need a power source?



"Hard Drive Size 6Gb"

Did I read that right? :o

Anyway, you're definitely going to need to buy a new video card. I think the Geforce 9100 is integrated...either way, it really sucks.

Another thing I'd be concerned about if I were you is the power supply. I don't see it listed so I don't know what they're using.
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#6 Jul 19 2010 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I think they screwed up and put hard drive size where they should've put RAM size.

Either way, the GeForce 9100 is an absolutely terrible GPU, no way in **** you're going to be able to score above a 50 on the benchmark with it.
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#7 Jul 19 2010 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks. However, I already knew that, hence why I said I would get a new graphics card.

I wonder if calling them and asking what kind of powersource comes with it would work?
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It would be in your best interest to do that. :)
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#9 Jul 19 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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If you're planning to immediately buy a new GPU, why not just get a different PC entirely? I'd plan how much you want to spend in total (including the new GPU), then go to newegg.com and do an advanced search through desktop PCs with that rough price range and see what you can come up with. Try to filter down computers with better graphics cards, you'll want to get something that can score at least 1000 on this list to get passable results on low. For example...



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Retail PSU's are not notoriously of quality make. If there is one place to splurge, it would be the PSU, you will want something well made funneling juice to your components. I picked up a Thermaltake Black Widow TR2 RX-850 for $110 at Best Buy on clearance. 850w for my 2 GTX 260's and the 8-pin PCIE for the EPS connection on my Quad Core.
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#11 Jul 19 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks.

What about something like this then?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229193

This seems to be a bit above the minimum requirements.

Again, I am not looking for fantastic results. If I could afford that, I wouldn't be posting lol.

Just trying to figure out some things.

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I know where you are coming from, invested several thousand into what I'm currently running and I'm more than a bit disappointed at my results Smiley: smile

Not sure on the machine linked below, seems like it would do a decent job of it, but I need to do more research. Did you verify that it meets the requirements for the game?
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#13 Jul 19 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that should do fine. The difference between the example I gave and the one you gave is mainly in the GPU. The HD 5770 is a very strong card, but the HD 5670 is still very solid and should provide decent results on low (probably ~3000 on the benchmark). That should be enough to run the game comfortably.

And of course if it can run FFXIV comfortably on low, it can run pretty much any other game on the market right now on mid settings.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 11:42am by bsphil
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So you are thinking the $609 pc would be around 3,000 benchmark?

That seems perfect then, actually better than what I wanted, but I think it's do-able.

Anything over 2,500 is supposed to run the game on default. Which I wasn't even shooting for :P

So even if you are a little off, I doubt you'd be off by 500 on your guess huh?
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It could very well score around ~2500, I'm just not sure, but I'd doubt it'd go that low based on similar systems with somewhat better GPUs scoring ~3300. There just aren't enough benchmark results compiled with a large enough array of CPUs and GPUs to cover whatever combination you may have. I wouldn't be shocked if the $709 PC scored above ~3300.

(Also, AMD tends to score better on stuff like data processing and video editing, where Intel tends to score better in gaming)



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In short: If you don't want the game to look like ****, quad core processor and 5770


My buddy scored a 4500+ with a phenom II x4 and a 5770 on low res.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 12:26pm by GuardianFaith
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GuardianFaith wrote:
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In short: If you don't want the game to look like ****, quad core processor and 5770


My buddy scored a 4500+ with a phenom II x4 and a 5770 on low res.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 12:26pm by GuardianFaith


Phenom II X4 925 and XFX 5770 with 4 GB DDR3 1333 RAM got me 4000ish on low. Your buddy must have a higher end Ph2X4 than my 925. I kinda skiped on my processor and partially regret not having gone for a better one.

EDIT: He also might have overclocked things; all my stuff is running at stock speeds.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 6:53pm by Mikhalia
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Okay forgive me but I'm feeling lazy.

This would be adequate to play XIV on, right?
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Okay forgive me but I'm feeling lazy.

This would be adequate to play XIV on, right?


It might, or it might not.

Forgive me, but I'm feeling lazy, too.

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I believe it would although don't expect stellar performance.
Personally I dislike Dell regular range for gaming but that's just my opinion.
Also I find it difficult to find a decent gaming lappy for less than £900-1000.
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