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#1 Jul 20 2010 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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you know when certain linkshells are going to be those groups you use to see on WOW asking for gear scores and achievements. i mean i seen some that want a 500 word essay on what you done in the past on other MMO's. i mean really what does it mater what a person has done on anther game this is not those games. for all you know all the great feats they did they really rode on the coat tails of others.

I'm really writing this cause i tried to apply to 2 different linkshells pregame start and laugh when i found i got denied from both. i was like wow this crazy. i apply to these linkshells cause i read their bio on site of what they were about what they stood for and the type of game play they planed to do as well as hours of event times they planed. I did my research on what i wanted in a LS before i applied.

so i fill out the application to best of my knowledge of what they wanted while still being honest. I plan to play 4-6hrs a day depending on work times, but on each day at least. I don't know how many on here will read this from Diablos server from FFXI. I know I'm probably not considered most talked about player to date but i have been around along time, and helped a lot of people even if there have been indifference in the past with a few. over all even though i may not have best gear cause of play times in past and couldn't get that shot at the big HNM's or never on that LS that always did the big stuff. the LS i was in i was always there for them when i was on and they knew if i was online they could count on me to be there to take that death for the team if needed. i know I'm not a bad person I've never gotten into a flame war on boards got better things to do with my time, like play games. I never blew up at someone in game cause they screwed up. i played FFXI for 5 years played WOW for 1.5years and in the end still had fun playing.on ffxi i was co founder and leader of Gatekeepers until work hours became to hard to play. leader of Eternal Legends but had some finical problems had to leave game for awhile. came back to resurgence and still there now.

now here i see two LS's both say almost same things just different words. and then turn people down for a game they have no idea what kind of content will be in it for larger groups. for reason totally unknown cause none were really given. IF your looking for the GOD type players only for your LS please say so. so the rest wont bother apply. and we all know what type of players you will get the ones that are there only for themselves and not as a family or team player like you say you want. then again god like players might suck in this one again its not ffxi or WOW. you might get some and still succeed in the end. so i say good luck to you.

this is a game people. the ones that are looking for i don't know what cause its not in there title page description. maybe in your recruit forums where you want people to cut and paste and fill in blanks you should be little more descriptive in what your looking for instead of general open ended questions.

i want to be able to play a game meet new friends build relationships over time gain trusts in game with people to achieve common goals or even help others achieve their goals as friends do in game. learn about the game with these people, and finally grow as a LS with each other. its these things that make a LS strong and able to over come anything in there path. not what you did on another game. in the end i know ill find the home I'm looking for and once there with team work we'll get to those places we want to go. cause its not about the gear you got but how you play the game that maters in the end. i know 2 Linkshells that just lost a good minded player.
#2 Jul 20 2010 at 12:16 AM Rating: Default
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Just to put it out there, I was on Diablos for about the 6 years i played, only had 75MNK and 70BRD were my high lvls, i never got into lvling a million jobs like some lol. I played with Aviator alot, he was a cool guy and helped me with alot of stuff, Also played with the Pally Belowzero who i still keep in touch with and will be playing FFXIV with on the 22nd at CE launch.
#3 Jul 20 2010 at 12:38 AM Rating: Excellent
It sounds like you dodged the bullet really, Foxbrigs. They don't sound like the type of LS you'd really be happy with anyway. Neither would I, for that matter.

Let people think that being elite in an MMO has any bearing on anything in life whatsoever. Most of us know better.
#4 Jul 20 2010 at 1:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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You sound a lot like me, played five years and because of RL commitments my game time was limited and also end-game stuff since it required to stick to a certain schedule every week, which wasn't possible for me at the time. I spent most of my time leveling all the jobs that appealed to me instead, so I didn't have all the fab-end-game equipment. But I got by. I also had a small social shell and we had some good times and I made a point of helping the newbies when I could. Made some good friends that way, from the people who perhaps don't know what they're doing the second they log on!

I wouldn't be disappointed about not getting into those new shells. Do you really want to be associated with a bunch of egotistical morons?

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#5 Jul 20 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Good
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You speak of two linkshells you were in... one where work commitments had you leave the game for a while. Another where you speak of 'finical problems' and had to leave the game for a while.

If you were starting a linkshell in FFXIV, would you want someone like yourself based on the description you're giving of yourself? By your own admission you have relatively no end-game experience. Your writing style is also poor. You don't capitalize any words that are supposed to be capitalized, your grammar is poor, and you make a lot of spelling mistakes. In a forum type of environment, you are judged on these things, whether that's fair or not is up to the individual judging you. If you want to make a good impression, try cleaning some of these things up, because nobody is really going to know the real you. You may be a great person in real life, but by making simple mistakes like some of the ones I pointed out, you can come across in a way that you may not want to.

I'm not sure what type of shells you applied to, but if they are hardgame endgame/progression shells, then are you really surprised at the outcome? Maybe social or medium-core guilds are what you should be striving to get into.
If you want to get more into the hardcore shells in FFXIV, you may have to prove yourself out in the lands of Eorzea.



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#6 Jul 20 2010 at 2:34 AM Rating: Decent
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#7 Jul 20 2010 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
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You speak of two linkshells you were in... one where work commitments had you leave the game for a while. Another where you speak of 'finical problems' and had to leave the game for a while.

If you were starting a linkshell in FFXIV, would you want someone like yourself based on the description you're giving of yourself? By your own admission you have relatively no end-game experience. Your writing style is also poor. You don't capitalize any words that are supposed to be capitalized, your grammar is poor, and you make a lot of spelling mistakes. In a forum type of environment, you are judged on these things, whether that's fair or not is up to the individual judging you. If you want to make a good impression, try cleaning some of these things up, because nobody is really going to know the real you. You may be a great person in real life, but by making simple mistakes like some of the ones I pointed out, you can come across in a way that you may not want to.

I'm not sure what type of shells you applied to, but if they are hardgame endgame/progression shells, then are you really surprised at the outcome? Maybe social or medium-core guilds are what you should be striving to get into.
If you want to get more into the hardcore shells in FFXIV, you may have to prove yourself out in the lands of Eorzea.


Although I agree with this, I seem to have understood that OP saying that the shells he applied to weren't presenting themselves as "hardcore", etc.

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this is a game people. the ones that are looking for i don't know what cause its not in there title page description. maybe in your recruit forums where you want people to cut and paste and fill in blanks you should be little more descriptive in what your looking for instead of general open ended questions.


As I previously stated, misrepresentation of intent from the shell is a very sub-par way of going about recruiting people. This being said, in an application process, it's best to keep the questions purposefully vague-ish, otherwise the applicant tends to say exactly what the interviewer is looking to hear.

Ex1: Are you a team player? Do you get along well with other?
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Ex2: How would you handle this situation of conflict within the LS?

Ex1 tells the applicant exactly what to reply to receive a positive reaction.
Ex2 lets the applicant take his answer in many directions without the interviewer directing the line of thought.

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GuardianFaith beat me to it.

OP, would you post links to the LS you applied to?
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#8 Jul 20 2010 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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I don't understand the point of starting an endgame linkshell in a game that hasn't started yet; you don't even know what the endgame setting will require or be like, how can you properly plan for it?

I mean, sure, you can just invite a bunch of people that seem reasonably intelligent, but what happens when some of the shell hits endgame before the others? Do you start putting deadlines on hitting the level cap on people? Do you start booting people who "aren't leveling fast enough"?

I think it's silly. Start up a social linkshell, sure. But wait till you've hit the level cap and know what the endgame scene looks like before you start recruiting for it.
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#9 Jul 20 2010 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
I don't understand the point of starting an endgame linkshell in a game that hasn't started yet; you don't even know what the endgame setting will require or be like, how can you properly plan for it?


Clearly these linkshells are so elite that they have insider information not even beta testers have, including, but not limited to, the exact structure and detail of endgame events, the perfect combinations of class abilities, what the best gear is and how to obtain it.
#10 Jul 20 2010 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't understand the point of starting an endgame linkshell in a game that hasn't started yet; you don't even know what the endgame setting will require or be like, how can you properly plan for it?

I mean, sure, you can just invite a bunch of people that seem reasonably intelligent, but what happens when some of the shell hits endgame before the others? Do you start putting deadlines on hitting the level cap on people? Do you start booting people who "aren't leveling fast enough"?

I think it's silly. Start up a social linkshell, sure. But wait till you've hit the level cap and know what the endgame scene looks like before you start recruiting for it.


Not only that but starting an endgame Linkshell when you know nothing about the players is also silly. There were a lot of good FFXI players on my servers that were complete jerks. Having a successful Linkshell means more then having capable players, you want people that mesh well together.

In the end I agree the OP dodged a bullet. I would much rather play with people that I like and get along with than those who just want to race to the end to be the first to put on the elite gear.

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Mind if I jump in too? I will be playing shortly after release (on deployment til October) and it would be nice to jump in the game already knowing some people :)
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Mind if I jump in too? I will be playing shortly after release (on deployment til October) and it would be nice to jump in the game already knowing some people :)


I'm sure Endless would love to have you. Go through the stickies on our forums to learn how to join. :)
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#12 Jul 20 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I wasn't going to get into listing what Linkshells i apply for. i didn't want to make this a flame post about them but more and general statement. this is more to say how can you be so picky as a linkshell to be denying people when you are basing everything off past games different circumstances of peoples real life situations and still claim to be a family based friendly hardcore EGLS. things change all the time in life at this time i can play more and be bigger active member in a EGLS as well as new work hours to be better suited to est evenings zones. so looked for a EGLS that suited those time.

as earlier reply i seen they said i had no EG experience. not true got lots from doing ICC 10/25 in WOW to dynamis xcarbard sky sea and a few HNMs. but i was honest in saying that i was not in the big time HNMLS's. wasn't i didn't have time it was i was in wrong time zone for them and my work hours. for that i will not apologize for. i also have 3 kids i will not apologize for having that was my finical problem but i guess even a flamer on a post needs life details. this is what i was saying about how these EGLS want so much info they don't need to have.

anyway I've decided to just wait get in game play learn my role on the class i choose and become good at that. then when EG things appear i'll start looking if i haven't found a social that is good and turns EG with them. besides having the best players at another game doesn't make them the best at the new one. just means they got lucky and landed a good guild/LS. and a good guild/ls can be found anywhere you have a tight group.
#13 Jul 20 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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Well I already touched on why I think it's silly to start an endgame LS for a game that isn't even out yet. I should add that people who apply to endgame linkshells for a game that isn't out yet are even sillier.

Past experiences in other games -does- count for something; at least in general counting toward the player hopefully not being inept. I was in a guild on WoW that was a social guild, casual with the occasional raid or guild event... the only requirement to join was that you -had- to have played at least one subscription-based MMORPG other than WoW. Didn't matter which one to an extent; EQ, FFXI, EVE, WAR, GW... didn't matter if you played for a couple months and quit or if you played for years and did endgame content for that game... just so long as WoW wasn't your first MMORPG was the only requirement.

This was mostly done to ensure that people joining would be less likely to be beggars or just totally clueless. One or two slipped through the cracks but out of all the guilds I've been in across all my characters in WoW, it was certainly the most polite, the most helpful, and the most fun.

As for endgame experience, I can see why someone might want it as a "nice to have" but I can't see why it would be -required- on an application when, again, we don't even know what XIV's endgame will be like. Off the top of my head, FFXI endgame and WoW endgame are totally different and I wouldn't expect a player who did either one of them for 2+ years to set foot in the other game with some huge advantage.

WoW > FFXI: "What specials does this boss have that I have to move out of?" "Why do we have so many different events to do?" "How many bosses does this raid have?" "How did you res me in combat?" "Who is the offtank?" "Why isn't that Bard attacking too? He has a sword."
FFXI > WoW: "What do you mean by 'standing in fire'?" "Why do we do the same two raids every week?" "What do you mean, 'only the bosses drop gear'?" "Why do you wait till the fight is over to res me?" "What the **** is an offtank?" "Who do we have for refresh/ballad?"

Sure, there are some general concepts like "Show up early/on time", "Don't whine when you're told you can't loot something or when you lose the roll", "Stop skilling up ****** weapons during events",and the like..but there are a lot of differences as well.
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#14 Jul 20 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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I think I can shed some light on the confusion here regarding setting up an endgame shell before the game releases.

I played FFXI for 4 years and then switched for WoW for about another year after that (details are long and boring). During my time playing WoW I got a lot more interested in endgame activities than I ever did in FFXI. Moving from guild to guild in that showed me some aspects of MMO players that I hadn't previously considered:

Attitude means everything.

I can set up a guild/linkshell that plays the game casually, or I can set up a guild/linkshell that plays the game to clear content. When you try to do both, you inevitably fail at both. The linkshell will either be too casual to progress in content, or too progression-focused and make the casual players uncomfortable (or worse, punished for not participating).

When you're looking at pre-game linkshells to apply to, pay close attention to what they're asking of you. If they're talking about event times and schedules, they aren't looking for you to play casually or log in whenever you feel like it. These linkshells are looking for people interested in progression and endgame content (even if they don't know the exact shape of endgame right now). Expect the specifics of schedule and event shape to change once we know what endgame actually looks like, for now these shells are looking for people with the right attitude to do whatever endgame wants them to do.

Hope that helps
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