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#1 Jul 20 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you think its ok? Do you think those people are the scum of the earth? What do you think and why?
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#2 Jul 20 2010 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Let me clarify, people who buy beta invites from others.
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#3 Jul 20 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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doesnt matter to me really, I just think if people want to wast their money one something that is just around the corner go ahead. I really dont even want to play the beta cause I want the game to be new to me when I log in sept 22. I dont see why anybody would have such a hatred for somebody because its not like RMT where it ruins the economy and makes people they are not.
#4 Jul 20 2010 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont really know how I feel about it. I know a RL friend who did it and I was excited at first because I would get to see the beta first hand at his house but later I kinda started feeling like it was wrong to do. I dont know what to think lol.
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#5 Jul 20 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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just out of curiosity how much did your buddy pay for it? I havent really looked to see how much they go for and i dont know where to start :P im not going to buy one myself cause im tight on money lol
#6 Jul 20 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont really know. I want to say around $100.00 but thats just the figure he said he was willing to pay. I'll ask him if I talk to him today.
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#7 Jul 20 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
Scum of the Earth? No. Too much time and/or money on their hands? Probably.
#8 Jul 20 2010 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm guessing their purpose isn't to beta test but to get in on the game early.
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#9 Jul 20 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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More power to them I say. I wouldn't ever do it out of principle...not going to pay money so I can essentially be an employee to test a product. In other markets the people who test products out get paid.
#10 Jul 20 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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It really doesn't bother me. It'd be nice if they aren't paying just to play the game early, but are actually submitting valuable feedback as well.

I guess the more unscrupulous issue here is with the people who actually sign up for multiple beta accounts with the intent to sell extras. And the buyers of those accounts are creating that demand. Much like the RMT that XI players have come to despise.

So yeah, it's kind of a stinky thing to do.
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#11 Jul 20 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it's kind of silly. I know the urge to play is intense but the beta is just so little of what the game will be at release. It's basically just testing the major systems (battle, guildleves, etc) and working out bugs and glitches. Definitely not something I'd pay for!
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#12 Jul 20 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Some people will do this so that when they game comes out they have a set plan for making money I believe. Or know the best way to level their jobs. I could see someone who buys a beta pass to specifically purchase it for those means.
#13 Jul 20 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
I'm guessing their purpose isn't to beta test but to get in on the game early.


This.

I've minced no words about the fact that I dislike "beta testers" who only sign up to play the game early and whine about glitches and bugs instead of actually submitting bug reports and feedback. Chances are, someone who is going to buy a beta invite off of someone else is playing for this reason. So not only are they wasting a spot that could be filled by an actual TESTER, they're -paying- to waste a spot.

Surely I won't say that they are "scum of the earth" or anything; I reserve my extreme loathing for people with far worse sins than paying to -not- test a game, but I can't say that such people rank very high on my list either.
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#14 Jul 20 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Doesn't matter.

Whether or not an applicant actually plans to play the beta himself/herself rather than selling it has no effect on the end result: one additional tester. Beta sales are not widespread enough to skew the data SE collects in applications (computer specs, demography, etc.).

The real antagonists to the beta process are those scoundrels who try to run FFXIV on a Mac. I mean, a lot of people make mistakes, but this level of maleficence is too well calculated to be accidental.

Edit: if someone receives an invite AND plans to sell it beforehand; filling out the application without an intent to play or sell it doesn't make any sense.

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 7:21pm by Almalexia
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#15 Jul 20 2010 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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As long as they actually do their job and test, and report findings in order to make the game better, then I don't give a rats **** how they got their ticket.
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#16 Jul 20 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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I don't care, but I think they're going to be disappointed. They're paying more than the price of the finished game for an unpolished, unstable, and frequently unfun version. If all you want to do is play a game, there are cheaper and better routes.
#17 Jul 21 2010 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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If they paid to be a tester, I wouldn't mind. If they paid to be a player, I frown.

Not nearly a scum of the earth, though.
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#18 Jul 21 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't imagine anyone paying to play a buggy, laggy, unfinished product. So I wouldn't be jealous.
#19 Jul 21 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't imagine anyone paying to play a buggy, laggy, unfinished product. So I wouldn't be jealous.


Actually most beta's are not severely laggy or buggy... other then being incomplete they are a good representation of the overall game. Usually some things like HUD's and what not change a fair bit but overall the basic gameplay stays very similar.

As for people paying.. i don't care it's not my money. Whether they pay to test or play is of no concern to me. In the end we still have another... 20k? testers that will do their job properly. 1 here and there won't ruin the process. Besides at the least they are load/lag testing for us in the meantime

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 9:22am by boriss
#20 Jul 21 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Do you think its ok? Do you think those people are the scum of the earth? What do you think and why?


I'd prefer that the people who are in beta are people who are really passionate and want to be there. If that means that they paid money to get in, then that's fine with me. If some one told me that I could get into FFXIV beta tomorrow for 25 bucks, I'd do it in a flat second. For 50 bucks, maybe. For 100 bucks? Nah. Every one is going to have their own scale of what it's worth to them or whether it's worth some thing to them at all.

As the person who is going to play the finished product though, I really don't want beta to be a bunch of stiffs who have no opinions, no thoughts, no passion and no drive to explore and exploit the game to its fullest extent. The more things that get exposed in beta, the better the game will be when it's released.

I've been fortunate enough personally to be in half a dozen MMO betas and a couple of non MMO betas (didn't pay for any of them, either) and it's a really interesting experience that I wish every passionate and intelligent gamer would have the chance to experience at least once. As part of being in various betas, I've also been given "friend" keys to invite other people to beta.

I gave away three keys for The Burning Crusade, two keys for Wrath of the Lich King, and two keys for Starcraft II, and with only a few exceptions I feel I would have been better off selling them and giving the money to charity than giving them away to people that ultimately played a few hours and then didn't care. What a waste. I'd rather know that some one was genuinely enjoying and contributing to the beta experience, even if they had to pay real money for the privilege, than for a bunch of people to take up spots and not care at all about the beta or the final product.


Edited, Jul 21st 2010 4:44pm by KarlHungis
#21 Jul 21 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
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I could care less, there are always more important things to think about.
#22 Jul 21 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Noone disinterested in the game is likely to pay to test, yet I have seen a ton of leaked video of the beta from people who clearly weren't very passionate. The allocation of keys has to be done all wrong if people who care so little would sell their keys.
That said like the poster above, $25 and yes in an instant $50 maybe.. perhaps SE have missed a trick here and should be selling invites themselves?
What would YOU pay?
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#23 Jul 21 2010 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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oleum wrote:
Noone disinterested in the game is likely to pay to test, yet I have seen a ton of leaked video of the beta from people who clearly weren't very passionate. The allocation of keys has to be done all wrong if people who care so little would sell their keys.
That said like the poster above, $25 and yes in an instant $50 maybe.. perhaps SE have missed a trick here and should be selling invites themselves?
What would YOU pay?


I would never pay for it... okay yeah thats BS.. but most people may refuse to becasue they would think they should be payed.. i dunno 5$ or so cuz your acually doign work for them.
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#24 Jul 21 2010 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I know someone that is in the beta and hasn't even downloaded the client to test. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Asking to please check it out I get snubbed. I even offered to give him a few bucks(nothing like 100$)just to check it out. No dice...
#25 Jul 21 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Well he should at the least return the key to SE so they can recycle it.
You have to ask why he bothered applying though, I remember the application being a royal PITA with linking up the code I got from FFXIII and I still didn't get in.. aw well, maybe there will be another round of invites soon. >_<

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 8:45pm by oleum
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#26 Jul 21 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Depends on thier motives, I can't see to many people who just want to help with the Beta being willing to shell out the cash. On the other hand I can see some people who want to find exploites they might be able to use once the game gets going doing this... but I do agree most are probably just looking to have the advantage of knowing the game right off the bat as something they can either use to push past other players or just something they can lord over people with "I was in the closed beta so you don't know what you're talking about"...

I wouldn't call them scum but realy sad would fit the bill hehe.

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#27 Jul 21 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Default
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Not like this really matters, but you all do realize the beta isn't distributed by keys right? It's linked to you're SE account. And I would be pretty disappointed if I paid to play the beta, seeing as more often than not, the tests get canceled.
#28 Jul 21 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Do you think its ok? Do you think those people are the scum of the earth? What do you think and why?


Ummm I think you got that a bit backwards. If anything, the people that apply for beta knowing they don't want to play and getting a invite code that we could of got, just so they can sell it are the scum. Not that I even care in all honesty but just saying you got it backwards
#29 Jul 22 2010 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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diggtown /agree

People who apply to beta for games they aren't interested in then, just so they can trade the account, don't have time for them. Some people have a change in circumstances or can't play for some other reason. I would rather see these keys go used rather than not , so if they want to lose their SE acct and sell those keys I can't really complain.
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#30 Jul 22 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Crap, Aizm beat me to it Smiley: glare

Yeah, your Beta account = your Square Enix account.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2010 12:38am by Osarion
#31 Jul 22 2010 at 1:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont really know how I feel about it. I know a RL friend who did it and I was excited at first because I would get to see the beta first hand at his house but later I kinda started feeling like it was wrong to do. I dont know what to think lol.


It's wrong to watch your friend play a beta? It's wrong to hit a random stranger with you car or throw rocks at old people. I don't think you're forsaken for watching your friend play beta..

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#32 Jul 22 2010 at 2:11 AM Rating: Default
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My thoughts on people who play the beta.....

It's ****** awsome!!! but what i would really like to know their Comp Specs. I have overheard at the water cooler people were playing the beta with a 1500 score on the benchmark and the game was running smooth. Thats all for now, Over ans Out!
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#33 Jul 22 2010 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Let me clarify, people who buy beta invites from others.
Oh, I thought you meant those of us who buy MMOs within the first 3 months of their release ;)

My thoughts would be that those people are foolish and probably have too much expendable income, but I don't particularly care one way or another.

I have more of a problem with companies charging for beta than I do with people buying beta accounts from one another. Back when I beta tested SWG, SOE wouldn't give a download option. You had to pay them to ship the CD's to you.

After the exchange rate it cost me over $40 to test their severely buggy beta. I found that to be extremely scummy on their part, but that's SOE for you. They likely did it because they knew SWG was going to bomb so badly that retail sales wouldn't be enough to recoup their development costs.
#34 Jul 22 2010 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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The real <insert choice word>'s in this situation are the people who sell the invites surely??

For signing up with no intention of playing.

Theyre a) ripping someone off and b) keeping someone who WANTS to play out


edit. In response to what someone said about SE charging for beta directly:

Maybe they could have you pay like a £25 deposit which - depending on the amount of time you play and the quality of your feedback - you could get back in full or part when the beta is over? Or even have it refunded as a discount on the final product.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2010 6:39pm by djbenny
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It is likely these very people who are littering the test forums with complaints about lack of uptime, crappy this and crappy that. It is enough to keep people well away from the general discussion board.

So scum of the earth? Maybe a little strong, Bane of our lives? Perhaps.
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Do you think its ok? Do you think those people are the scum of the earth? What do you think and why?
Don't care, and it sounds tremendously retarded. I'd be more than happy to jump on the opportunity to sell access to the beta if I happened to have a person lined up.
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