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#1 Jul 20 2010 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello! Could you guys check out the stats on this and just tell me how it looks? Do you have any suggestions? Also I decided to go with E-college since after reading all the reviews that I could find Ibuypower.com and the others were slightly lower then this site. Thank you once again!

CPU - 3.33ghz intel core I7-980X Extreme 12mb cache six-core
Heatsink/fan - Corsair cooling hydro series CWCH50-1 120mm water cooler
Motherboards - ASUS P6X58D Premium (Intel X58, 3xPCi-E, 8xSATA2, 6xDDR3, 1394)
Memory - 6GB (2GBx3) PC3 12800 DDR3 1600mhz
Harddrive - 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA300
CD - 22X LG SATA Dual Layer DVD+/RW/CDRW w/Nero
Video Card - 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI
OS - Windows 7 64bit premium
Power supply - 750w antec earthwatts EA750
Sound card - Onboard sound included
Case fan - 2x 120mm case fan

(Sorry for asking this I know there are a lot of other topics, but I really wanted to get some more opinions from gamers who use the pcs frequently). Thanks again!
#2 Jul 20 2010 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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What the computers main focus? Gaming? If so I cant imagine why you would choose to buy a $1000 cpu instead of say 2 480 gtx video cards. with a i7 - 930. i7-930 is more than enough for anything and can be OC'ed to 4.3ghz if you need more power from it in 2 years for newer software
#3 Jul 20 2010 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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BTW I just built a new computer (parts still arriving day by day). with 3d surround and 2 480 gtx cards. I went with the i7-930. I thought about the 980 for many many hours, but in the end just couldn't even slightly justify it. I just don't see it being needed, especially for games, my 2 480 gtx cards are going to handle all the processing on there own theres no way I can see my performance increasing by using a 980 instead of a 930, not for gaming anyhow. Reguardless my point is, I decided to stick with the 930 that can be OC'ed if need be and the 980 will drop to a reasonable price in 6 months (so if by some miracle games come out that would actually benefit from this cpu then I can buy it for $400 6 months from now and only paying $300 for the 930 now which is a total of $700) rather then paying $1000 now for the 980 when it's not gonna help me any.
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Hello! Could you guys check out the stats on this and just tell me how it looks? Do you have any suggestions? Also I decided to go with E-college since after reading all the reviews that I could find Ibuypower.com and the others were slightly lower then this site. Thank you once again!

CPU - 3.33ghz intel core I7-980X Extreme 12mb cache six-core
Heatsink/fan - Corsair cooling hydro series CWCH50-1 120mm water cooler
Motherboards - ASUS P6X58D Premium (Intel X58, 3xPCi-E, 8xSATA2, 6xDDR3, 1394)
Memory - 6GB (2GBx3) PC3 12800 DDR3 1600mhz
Harddrive - 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA300
CD - 22X LG SATA Dual Layer DVD+/RW/CDRW w/Nero
Video Card - 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI
OS - Windows 7 64bit premium
Power supply - 750w antec earthwatts EA750
Sound card - Onboard sound included
Case fan - 2x 120mm case fan

(Sorry for asking this I know there are a lot of other topics, but I really wanted to get some more opinions from gamers who use the pcs frequently). Thanks again!


This PC will do fine for FFXIV and some way beyond

It bests mine in EVERY department and I am good to go with 2470 @1080 and 3600 @720 resolution.

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#5 Jul 20 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I've never heard of the brand "E-college" before, but the specs sound pretty good. The i7-980X is unsurpassed, and the Radeon 5870 is still in the top 5 behind the 470/480 and the 5970.

It should be able to run pretty much any game on max settings.
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#6 Jul 20 2010 at 8:44 PM Rating: Good
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Diggtown wrote:
BTW I just built a new computer (parts still arriving day by day). with 3d surround and 2 480 gtx cards. I went with the i7-930. I thought about the 980 for many many hours, but in the end just couldn't even slightly justify it. I just don't see it being needed, especially for games, my 2 480 gtx cards are going to handle all the processing on there own theres no way I can see my performance increasing by using a 980 instead of a 930, not for gaming anyhow. Reguardless my point is, I decided to stick with the 930 that can be OC'ed if need be and the 980 will drop to a reasonable price in 6 months (so if by some miracle games come out that would actually benefit from this cpu then I can buy it for $400 6 months from now and only paying $300 for the 930 now which is a total of $700) rather then paying $1000 now for the 980 when it's not gonna help me any.


The 980X is -way- better than the 930. Blows it away.

If the OP has the money to drop on it, then I doubt he'll be disappointed in his purchase (unless it's DOA or something, heaven forbid :/)

If I had the money, I'd get a 980X in a heartbeat.

Sure, you can argue "but it's not needed", but the same could be said for Zenith Mitts +1, Hauberk +1, Genie Weskit...

If you have the money and you want THE BEST, you're paying a lot more for it, but hey... there's nowhere up to go. You've won the game.
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#7 Jul 20 2010 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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maybe you didn't read my post? I never said the 980 was not way better then the 930. I said if its a gaming computer then gpu is more important then cpu and hes much better off spending that extra money on his gpu. I mean if it is a gaming computer why would you spend $1000 on the best cpu and then go cheap on the video card? Not that the 1GB 5870 is a bad card but it is when you compare the situation that we are talking about here.
#8 Jul 20 2010 at 8:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Diggtown wrote:
maybe you didn't read my post? I never said the 980 was not way better then the 930. I said if its a gaming computer then gpu is more important then cpu and hes much better off spending that extra money on his gpu. I mean if it is a gaming computer why would you spend $1000 on the best cpu and then go cheap on the video card? Not that the 1GB 5870 is a bad card but it is when you compare the situation that we are talking about here.


Again, in a theoretical "If I had the money"

IMO the OP should get the 5970 -and- the 980X.

I see your point regarding the CPU vs GPU thing, and I do somewhat agree that the price hike is steep though.
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#9 Jul 20 2010 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Why does the 5870 bench higher than the 5970?

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=Radeon+HD+5870
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#10 Jul 20 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
Why does the 5870 bench higher than the 5970?

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=Radeon+HD+5870


Two things come to mind

1) The 5970 is a new card, not a lot of people have them yet, and their CPUs or bus speed on a subpar motherboard may be affecting their benchmark scores.
2) The 5870s could be overclocked vs the 5970s running at stock.

The scores are mostly an average of scores submitted by people who have ran the passmark tool on their system and submitted their data.

That the 5970 is lower than the 5870 on that list is an anomaly.

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A Passmark Employee wrote:
Also, in regards to the 5970 and other "dual GPU" cards. PerformanceTest isn't able to fully utilise multiple GPUs and as such the scores for these cards will most likely not be much better than a single GPU equivalent (and in some cases performance degrades).


Edited, Jul 20th 2010 11:10pm by Mikhalia
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#11 Jul 20 2010 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
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Diggtown wrote:
What the computers main focus? Gaming? If so I cant imagine why you would choose to buy a $1000 cpu instead of say 2 480 gtx video cards. with a i7 - 930. i7-930 is more than enough for anything and can be OC'ed to 4.3ghz if you need more power from it in 2 years for newer software


I agree here, though, I would rather get a 4970 than two 480s. And actually, you could probably get 2 of them by switching to a cheaper cpu.
#12 Jul 20 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
I've never heard of the brand "E-college" before, but the specs sound pretty good. The i7-980X is unsurpassed, and the Radeon 5870 is still in the top 5 behind the 470/480 and the 5970.

It should be able to run pretty much any game on max settings.


480 is en par with the 5870 while the 470 is en par with the 5850, though, the nvidia cards perform at lower resolutions.
#13 Jul 20 2010 at 10:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
I've never heard of the brand "E-college" before, but the specs sound pretty good. The i7-980X is unsurpassed, and the Radeon 5870 is still in the top 5 behind the 470/480 and the 5970.

It should be able to run pretty much any game on max settings.


480 is en par with the 5870 while the 470 is en par with the 5850, though, the nvidia cards perform at lower resolutions.


ummm the 480 blows ati away in benchmarks, and i'm certainly no nvidia fanboy, I use what is the best when I build my computer. My current computer is ati 4850 because nvidia couldn't hold a candle to ati when I built this computer. The computer I'm building as we speak has 2 480 gtx cards, why because ati can't hold a candle to the 480 and on top of it add in nvidia 3d.
#14 Jul 20 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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Diggtown wrote:
Yogtheterrible wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
I've never heard of the brand "E-college" before, but the specs sound pretty good. The i7-980X is unsurpassed, and the Radeon 5870 is still in the top 5 behind the 470/480 and the 5970.

It should be able to run pretty much any game on max settings.


480 is en par with the 5870 while the 470 is en par with the 5850, though, the nvidia cards perform at lower resolutions.


ummm the 480 blows ati away in benchmarks, and i'm certainly no nvidia fanboy, I use what is the best when I build my computer. My current computer is ati 4850 because nvidia couldn't hold a candle to ati when I built this computer. The computer I'm building as we speak has 2 480 gtx cards, why because ati can't hold a candle to the 480 and on top of it add in nvidia 3d.


Benchmarks don't tell as much as actual gameplay. Are you reading articles about benchmark programs or articles that compare and contrast fps on actual games? Because all of the articles I've read say that in actual gameplay the nvidia and ati cards (480/5870 and 470/5850) are about the same at 1080 with nvidia performing better at lower resolutions. Nvidia might perform slightly better in some games but they nowhere near "blow ati away".

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 11:03pm by Yogtheterrible
#15 Jul 20 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd consider a power supply in the 1000+ watt range in case you decide to add another 5870 in the future. 750-850 could handle it, but I like to go a bit overkill on the psu. A good psu will last for multiple future builds.
#16 Jul 20 2010 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
Diggtown wrote:
Yogtheterrible wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
I've never heard of the brand "E-college" before, but the specs sound pretty good. The i7-980X is unsurpassed, and the Radeon 5870 is still in the top 5 behind the 470/480 and the 5970.

It should be able to run pretty much any game on max settings.


480 is en par with the 5870 while the 470 is en par with the 5850, though, the nvidia cards perform at lower resolutions.


ummm the 480 blows ati away in benchmarks, and i'm certainly no nvidia fanboy, I use what is the best when I build my computer. My current computer is ati 4850 because nvidia couldn't hold a candle to ati when I built this computer. The computer I'm building as we speak has 2 480 gtx cards, why because ati can't hold a candle to the 480 and on top of it add in nvidia 3d.


Benchmarks don't tell as much as actual gameplay. Are you reading articles about benchmark programs or articles that compare and contrast fps on actual games? Because all of the articles I've read say that in actual gameplay the nvidia and ati cards (480/5870 and 470/5850) are about the same at 1080 with nvidia performing better at lower resolutions. Nvidia might perform slightly better in some games but they nowhere near "blow ati away".

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 11:03pm by Yogtheterrible


Benchmarks tell plenty, I mean benchmarks basically are just FPS. Only difference is a benchmark program is designed to really push the max and see what fps you help at the max. Now 99% of games that are out are gonna run smooth as butter with either card, so yes if you read peoples feedback they may say they seem to have the same performance, but thats like taking a ferrari and a pinto and only going 50mph in both of them and then saying "They have the same performance". Without benchmarks we would have no way of really testing the top of the line hardware.
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I'm just going to have to disagree. Benchmarks are just that, a benchmark, an approximation or guide that shows you an educated guess about the performance of a system. You can't really know unless you play the game.
#18 Jul 21 2010 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
I'm just going to have to disagree. Benchmarks are just that, a benchmark, an approximation or guide that shows you an educated guess about the performance of a system. You can't really know unless you play the game.


Well in case it sounded like I meant benchmarking is the end all be all, it's not what I meant. I meant it's the best standard to test new hardware, since no applications out there actually need near the power that the hardware we produce has. Benchmarks are surely flawed on new tech though also (especially when you figure in extra cores and such). But benchmarking for GPU's has always been alot more reliable then benchmarking for CPU's (excluding sli/crossfire).

Reguardless I can agree to disagree. I have played with both cards and I will certainly agree that they both play with the same performance. But I will also continue to say that they played with the same performance because both cards provided way more power then needed to play those games.
#19 Jul 21 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks again everyone for the suggestions! I mean't to add that the pc is mainly for gaming, and I wanted to make sure that Final Fantasy 14 should be able to run it okay. It is a tad pricy, but I figured I'd have it for a long time. :)

This is probably another dumb question but, with the liquid cooling they have now in PCs like that, you don't have to actually refill it right? Thanks
#20 Jul 21 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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http://www.techspot.com/review/289-geforce-gtx-480-sli-versus-radeon-5870-crossfire/page5.html

Thats a good review with alot of fps comparisons for 1 5870, 1 480, 2x 5870's in CF and 2x 480's in SLI

the 5870 and 480 are very similiar in performance if you only have 1, once you add a 2nd card the 480 blows the 5870 out of the water. Just figured I should post this to correct what I was saying as I wasn't saying it, but I was talking for dual cards the whole time, as that's what I use and thus all the research I had done was for 2 cards.

edit: also note that if you turn settings all the way up in some of the newer games that the 5870 completely chokes and a single 480 beats 2x 5870's.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 3:38am by Diggtown
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Thanks again everyone for the suggestions! I mean't to add that the pc is mainly for gaming, and I wanted to make sure that Final Fantasy 14 should be able to run it okay. It is a tad pricy, but I figured I'd have it for a long time. :)

This is probably another dumb question but, with the liquid cooling they have now in PCs like that, you don't have to actually refill it right? Thanks


If it's a custom loop then I believe maybe once every 6 months to a year it would have to be drained and refilled? I have looked into water cooling but never taken the plunge so I'm not 100% sure. You could use one of those Corsair H50 coolers and it would cool well, but that's not considered real water cooling to the enthusiasts. From what I've read it will perform on par with high end air coolers (maybe slightly worse), but not quite up there with a custom water cooling loop.

Unless you're going for some massive overclocks and really pushing the envelope just stick with a nice high end air cooler or H50. That chip will overclock like a beast on good air cooling and will be bottlenecked by the gpu anyway.
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