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#1 Jul 21 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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So I played FFXI for 6 years and always did well, same with WoW on med-high settings, I can play in Wintergrasp with over a 100 people on screen with little lag), lastly Warhammer Online at highest. When I run the benchscore I get 830. Looking at the site here I DLed the CPU-Z and these are my stats.

CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 4 Cores - 4 Threads
CPU PSN : AMD Phenom 9100e Quad-Core Processor
CPU EXT : MMX(+), 3DNow!(+), SSE (1, 2, 3, 4A), x86-64, AMD-V
CPUID : F.2.2 / Extended : 10.2
CPU Cache : L1 : 4 x 64 / 4 x 64 KB - L2 : 4 x 512 KB
CPU Cache : L3 : 2048 KB

Core : Agena (65 nm) / Stepping : DR-B2
Freq : 1800.11 MHz (200.01 * 9)
MB Brand : Gateway
MB Model : RS780
NB : AMD 780G rev 00
SB : AMD SB700 rev 00

GPU Type : NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
GPU Clocks : Core 550 MHz / RAM 333 MHz
DirectX Version : 11.0

RAM : 4096 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 333.4 MHz (3:5) @ 5-5-5-15
Slot 1 : 2048MB (5300)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : Samsung
Slot 2 : 2048MB (5300)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : Samsung

The computer is a pre built from Best Buy but I have had no issues with it, even using it for video and audio editing. I bought the power-supply (450 Watt) and card to improve the games I play but now looking at the website for FFXIV I am told I cannot even play the game, which wastes my already paid off collectors edition. I do not understand, why I am getting such a low score. Windows Experience rated my pc now at 4.5 (Graphics category)
#2 Jul 21 2010 at 11:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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That is a budget video card, it's what's holding you back
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I stand by the statement made above. Your GPU is the problem, everything else looks fine. Look at my thread on the main page for the suggested minimum and recommended requirements. Does the video stutter/lag when you do the Benchmark?
#4 Jul 21 2010 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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the only time I see lag is when running it in High mode. On low it was fine, almost like watching a movie except for the loading distracting me. Gt 9500 is a budget card? WTH. I was told for 220 thats the best one to get for my system, its why I had to upgrade the power supply.

Im not much with the hardware in computers, more for the software and applications that they can use, but I know how to install the new items. Looking at tiger direct seems I got ripped off on the card when I bought it about 5 months ago. Given the size of my tower and the slots usable, what kind of card should I now be looking for:

Forgot to add the other scores:
Processor (5.7)
Memory (Ram) (5.9)
Graphics (4.5)
Gaming Graphics (5.3)
Primary Hard Disk (5.9)
#5 Jul 21 2010 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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9500GT a top notch card o.O. Maybe what 3 years ago? If you recently bought this computer you were LIED, LIED, and LIED too. Need to replace that for sure.
#6 Jul 21 2010 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
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GT and GTS are low for XIV. You'll want a GTX series, at least a 200 series GTX; preferably a 400 series Fermi, or the Radeon alternative, at least a 5750/5770, preferably a 58XX or 59XX.
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Dont have first hand experience but the new 460 seems like a great card for the price. Around 200 bucks or so i think.
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At Best Buy, the guys that actually know tech specs on gaming PCs work in the geek squad section. The salesmen will sell you the selling points of all their systems: More Ram than you need, more hard drive space than you want, and they'll simply look at the video memory on video cards. I had a guy at Best Buy point to like a 9500GT and tell me it was a good card. I told him that the 9500 line is basically a very very watered down version of the 9800, and that several lower priced cards were indeed better. He mumbled something about the memory on it and then recognized a losing battle and walked away.

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#9 Jul 22 2010 at 12:10 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah. Pretty much, you were ripped off and lied to.

The problem isn't just your video card. That CPU isn't doing you any favours either. Sorry man.
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#10 Jul 22 2010 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
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yea, thats what I hate about retail ( I work in it myself ) problem is, my friend worked in the geek squad section and he even was Microsoft certified, so of course I listened. I hated that when I bought FFXI I had to buy my first card and could never pick out the correct one, even now, I do not get all the specs and the numbers. I usually look at the top costing one and go downward a little but for 220 I was told was great card for me. So looking at Tiger I see:
Asus EAH5770CuCore/2DI/1G Radeon HD 5770 Video Card
- 1GB GDDR5,
PCI-Express 2.0,
CrossFireX Ready,
DVI, VGA, HDMI

I understand the 1GB is the virtual memory (explained to me as the same as Ram for the computer, higher the better, over 500 MB is great) I do not know what the GDDR5 is though. I am certain I have a PCI-Express slot to use, but does the PCI Express 2.0 matter?

Dunno what Crossfire is honestly, and cannot tell if 450 Watt power supply is enough.

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Edited, Jul 22nd 2010 2:17am by Aoroi
#11 Jul 22 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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You poor sap. Stores don't lower the prices on their old cards specifically because of people like you. They hope to trap those who don't know any better into thinking the card is good. That card is not only three generations old but also was a budget card for its generation. The 220 you spent on that card 5 months ago could have been spent on a newer, much more powerful card.

This is why you don't buy these sort of things without first consulting a place like this where you have several people fairly well versed in this sort of thing and will tell you the truth about a product because they have nothing to gain by lying to you.
#12 Jul 22 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Crap, well looks like I am going to have to sell my Collectors when it comes out to one of my friends, possibly a new card I could afford, but not a whole CPU/Card/Power at the min. Well thanks for your help but looks like I get to miss out on this run.

Biggest thing I hate about PC gaming, you have to keep upgrading, outside of the editing I do my PC is for online gaming and Xbox for shooters.
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Yeah, that card would work, though, if you don't have a pci-e 2.0 it's not going to perform nearly as well...I wouldn't know if it could run the game. As for that power supply...I don't know if it would work...it would be cutting it fairly close.
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A friend of mine with somewhat same specs as you went from a 9500gt to just a gts 250 (for like 100 bucks) and went from a sub 1000 score to like 2300ish i believe. If you can afford to shell out 200ish, i am sure you could get a pretty decent benchmark score.

Good luck with what you end up doing!

edit: meh i forgot about your power supply. That could be an issue i suppose. Not sure what kind of wattage you would need with that set up and an upgraded GPU.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2010 2:49am by RIDDER
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i cant understand how people cant understand that ff11 and wow are over 6-8years old.. come on geezsus crysis warhead.. Evolution. Technology doesn't stop growing so a game isnt goin to run for you with that old dusty video card just because you were able to run some older games.


People all day long make these threads.. SIlly people .. TRICKS ARE FOR KIDS!
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Biggest thing I hate about PC gaming, you have to keep upgrading, outside of the editing I do my PC is for online gaming and Xbox for shooters.


Yeah the biggest thing about console gaming is you have to buy a new one when they come out. What the ****? Upgrading a PC once every 2-3 years costs about $2-300. Buying a new console/games/peripherals every 2-3 years costs AT LEAST the same probably more. No wonder you bought a 9500GT.
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#17 Jul 22 2010 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
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I keep seeing people talk about how the GT series aren't doing too well...

I have a 9800GT and it's done me well so far - but I have seen barely anyone talk about it in relation to FFXIV. I don't have access to my computer to run the benchmark for another 2 weeks but, yeah, other than the 9800GT it has a Q6600 processor, 4gb RAM, blah blah. Basically it's fine other than I don't know what to expect from the 9800GT.

But personally... if the 9800GT is struggling to run it, this game is going to look so damned gorgeous I won't care anyway - since I've already been running some gorgeous games with it. Assuming I can set the graphics low enough that it runs at 25+ FPS consistently ._.
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#18 Jul 22 2010 at 4:09 AM Rating: Good
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RIDDER wrote:
A friend of mine with somewhat same specs as you went from a 9500gt to just a gts 250 (for like 100 bucks) and went from a sub 1000 score to like 2300ish i believe. If you can afford to shell out 200ish, i am sure you could get a pretty decent benchmark score.

Good luck with what you end up doing!

edit: meh i forgot about your power supply. That could be an issue i suppose. Not sure what kind of wattage you would need with that set up and an upgraded GPU.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2010 2:49am by RIDDER


GTX. With an X. GT are way too low, and GTS are what people who already have low benchmark scores are upgrading -out of- to get a good score.

I have to strongly recommend a 5770 or if you can afford it a 460. Don't spend 130 on a card to get low performance when you can spend 170-200 on a card to get good performance. In the latter case, you'll be pleased with your purchase; in the former, you'll have saved money, but will regret it later when you get sick of it and want to upgrade the GTS you just bought in a year or two and have to fork out another 130-150ish or more.

To a point, paying a little more money now saves you a lot of money later.

Also, for any of these cards, I suggest at least a 600W PSU. If you can get 650-700 or want to go higher, go for it. 550 at the bare minimum.

Most GOOD video cards will state a specific power supply requirement, and possibly a 26V rail amperage rating. Make sure the PSU covers the amperage rating if applicable, and for your processor, I'd say take whatever the minimum PSU required for the GPU is and add at least 150-200W to that.

Don't cheap out on your power supply either. Raidmax, Antec, Coolermaster are good brands. If/when a PSU goes bad, it tends to take other things with it. Your hard drive, your motherboard, your desk (if it's made of wood)... Ever seen a power supply spew smoke out the back of it? I have. It ain't pretty, and it don't smell nice.
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Basically it's fine other than I don't know what to expect from the 9800GT

I have a 9800 GT w/ an overclocked e5300 :). I ran the benchmark last night and scored 2490 on low. It stayed @ ~2.6 instead of giving me the full 3.0 I expected. I'm relatively new to this though.

The video played fine so I don't think the 9800 will do too bad. You may be limited to low settings.
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#20 Jul 22 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Default
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i have 8800 gt in sli, but we know sli dont work with the BM, and my score is 3143 low and 1750 high

my spec:

Evga x58 sli
i7 930 2.8
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6gb ram 1600mhz

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I had the same card and scored around 900, 980 at highest. I upgraded to the ATI Radeon 5770, nicely priced, and has support for DX11 so it'll be useful for a few years yet. I now score about 3100 on average, and overclocking has no effect, so my system has actually bottlenecked it from its full potential, reading around I've seen scores over 4000 with the same GPU. I'd definitely recommend it.
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my friend worked in the geek squad section and he even was Microsoft certified, so of course I listened


Bestbuy will hire anyone. You should go to your friend and tell him he is dumb. I have a 9800gtx... decent overall card but old and right now it is cheaper then the card you paid, in fact now that i look it's about half the price. I hit 1800ish on low.

If in doubt go to a computer forum or store in the future. NEVER trust anything anyone at any regular retail store says. There's a reason they are in business and it's because most consumers don't take 5 minutes to research their own product and listen to the "geek" squad. Honestly i can't believe they hired your friend... wait yes i can, lol.


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i have 8800 gt in sli, but we know sli dont work with the BM, and my score is 3143 low and 1750 high

my spec:

Evga x58 sli
i7 930 2.8
xfx 8800 gt sli
6gb ram 1600mhz


What horrible video cards, those things havent even been available for sale... for awhile. Get 2 for 200 each and i bet your score will increase a fair bit.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2010 8:16am by boriss
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waiting on the price of evga gtx 480 sc to drop then ill change my xfx 8800 gt
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I have a 9800 GT w/ an overclocked e5300 :). I ran the benchmark last night and scored 2490 on low.


I got the same score on a stock e5200 and 9800gt. No overclocking whatsoever. My stupid lenovo's mobo doesn't have an oc option in the bios. Whatever it was only $300.
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my friend worked in the geek squad section and he even was Microsoft certified, so of course I listened


Bestbuy will hire anyone. You should go to your friend and tell him he is dumb. I have a 9800gtx... decent overall card but old and right now it is cheaper then the card you paid, in fact now that i look it's about half the price. I hit 1800ish on low.

If in doubt go to a computer forum or store in the future. NEVER trust anything anyone at any regular retail store says. There's a reason they are in business and it's because most consumers don't take 5 minutes to research their own product and listen to the "geek" squad. Honestly i can't believe they hired your friend... wait yes i can, lol.


I had to take my laptop to Geek Squad for repair because the battery wasn't charging (apparently if you buy a Dell laptop from BB, you -have- to give it to BB to repair; Dell won't repair them). When I went to pick it up, they tried to sell me Norton Internet Security and Spysweeper (when I already had AVG and Spybot&SAS installed).
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Biggest thing I hate about PC gaming, you have to keep upgrading, outside of the editing I do my PC is for online gaming and Xbox for shooters.


Yeah the biggest thing about console gaming is you have to buy a new one when they come out. What the ****? Upgrading a PC once every 2-3 years costs about $2-300. Buying a new console/games/peripherals every 2-3 years costs AT LEAST the same probably more. No wonder you bought a 9500GT.


Until this most recent generation, the console upgrade path was more like $200-$300 every 5-6 years - less for those who aren't early adopters, and thus can wait a year or two before buying a new console (since historically, console prices have tended to drop by about $50 a year or two after release).

This latest generation being the most expensive, and the longest-lived, to date; we're due for another generation this year or next based on the historical trend, yet the next wave of consoles hasn't even been announced yet.
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Biggest thing I hate about PC gaming, you have to keep upgrading, outside of the editing I do my PC is for online gaming and Xbox for shooters.


Yeah the biggest thing about console gaming is you have to buy a new one when they come out. What the ****? Upgrading a PC once every 2-3 years costs about $2-300. Buying a new console/games/peripherals every 2-3 years costs AT LEAST the same probably more. No wonder you bought a 9500GT.


Until this most recent generation, the console upgrade path was more like $200-$300 every 5-6 years - less for those who aren't early adopters, and thus can wait a year or two before buying a new console (since historically, console prices have tended to drop by about $50 a year or two after release).

This latest generation being the most expensive, and the longest-lived, to date; we're due for another generation this year or next based on the historical trend, yet the next wave of consoles hasn't even been announced yet.


Yeah, consoles have gotten progressively more expensive with each generation it seems.

If I recall correctly, the PS1 launched in '95 at $299. The N64 was announced for September '96 at $249 but was later dropped and released at $199 instead (the PS1 and Saturn were both also selling for around $199 at the same time).

Conversely, the PS3 is nearly 4 years old and is still $299. The 360 is about the same unless you want to get the arcade version (no hard drive, not compatible with original xbox games, no HD connection IIRC), The Wii is 199 now, I think?

I had a point I was getting to, but I forgot what it was while looking on wiki/google for prices and dates. Sorry.

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Yeah, that card would work, though, if you don't have a pci-e 2.0 it's not going to perform nearly as well...I wouldn't know if it could run the game. As for that power supply...I don't know if it would work...it would be cutting it fairly close.


Ok, looks like I will upgrade to a Radeon HD 5770 Card, powersupply I found cheaper now so not much of a problem ($50 for a 680 Watt, dunno brand something G in a gold box) I dont know which Radeon 5770 because doing a google search I got several different names now, so that I will have to look at.

From what I was told the pci-e vs pci-e 2.0 difference is not that high, only about 3-5% difference in game play and if I have a pci-e a pci-e 2.0 will still fit and run.

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Make sure the PSU covers the amperage rating if applicable, and for your processor, I'd say take whatever the minimum PSU required for the GPU is and add at least 150-200W to that.


Could you explain this a little more? I do not fully understand what I would need to do, I thought the processor I had in the computer was well enough. So would I need a new one (and if so how would I do that) or is the 680 power going to be enough then?


Sorry for the tech questions, this part is new to me in the (computer) gaming world.


Also, I have a G-15 logitech keyboard, the older one with 3 M Keys and 18 G keys for programing and the lcd screen (looks like a G-11 and G-15 combined), I am upgrading to the G-13. Do I still need a gamepad since there is a move able joystick on the G-13

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Make sure the PSU covers the amperage rating if applicable, and for your processor, I'd say take whatever the minimum PSU required for the GPU is and add at least 150-200W to that.


Could you explain this a little more? I do not fully understand what I would need to do, I thought the processor I had in the computer was well enough. So would I need a new one (and if so how would I do that) or is the 680 power going to be enough then?


Okay, so let's say you get a graphics card that says "requires 450W power supply". In that case, I would suggest a 600-650W power supply. Let's say the card says "requires a 350W power supply", then in that case I would suggest a 500-550W.

Basically, take whatever power supply minimum the card recommends, and then add 150 to 200 to that. If you have a 680W PSU already, you should be fine with any card that doesn't say "requires a 600W (or higher) power supply".
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I can personally vouch for this card AND all the lovely guys here on ZAM.

I just upgraded to this card and it runs fantastically, it trippled my benchmark score (which was very low anyway so don't get excited! LOL!) and when I have been able to get into the beta, there has been no lag or stuttering.

I was going to buy the GTS220 but the guys here laid it on the line and basically told me the truth.

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Okay, so let's say you get a graphics card that says "requires 450W power supply". In that case, I would suggest a 600-650W power supply. Let's say the card says "requires a 350W power supply", then in that case I would suggest a 500-550W.

Basically, take whatever power supply minimum the card recommends, and then add 150 to 200 to that. If you have a 680W PSU already, you should be fine with any card that doesn't say "requires a 600W (or higher) power supply".


Yes, I have the same problem. I have a 300w power supply and a card that requires a minimum of 450. However I have been playing a few games on my PC (even FFXIV when possible) and it's been fine. I do expect it to cut out at any moment, but it hasn't. Which is nice. All I can figure is that because my computer doesn't have much in it (literally the basics plus the 5770) it's actually managing on the 300w.

I would probably have to change the Power supply if I ever upgraded anything else, I imagine... BUT the 5770 is massive and there is now little room left in the case :D
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Okay, so let's say you get a graphics card that says "requires 450W power supply". In that case, I would suggest a 600-650W power supply. Let's say the card says "requires a 350W power supply", then in that case I would suggest a 500-550W.

Basically, take whatever power supply minimum the card recommends, and then add 150 to 200 to that. If you have a 680W PSU already, you should be fine with any card that doesn't say "requires a 600W (or higher) power supply".


Yes, I have the same problem. I have a 300w power supply and a card that requires a minimum of 450. However I have been playing a few games on my PC (even FFXIV when possible) and it's been fine. I do expect it to cut out at any moment, but it hasn't. Which is nice. All I can figure is that because my computer doesn't have much in it (literally the basics plus the 5770) it's actually managing on the 300w.

I would probably have to change the Power supply if I ever upgraded anything else, I imagine... BUT the 5770 is massive and there is now little room left in the case :D


I'd be very careful there. When power supplies die, they like to kill other things.
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Budget processor + budget video card = budget scores

FFXIV performance has nothing to do with anything else. And I strongly doubt that you can play WoW or Warhammer on maxed out settings with 100 people on screen and "little lag".

Its a ~2-3 year old computer that was put together with budget friendly parts that long ago, that is now fairly outdated.

The 5770 is also a budget card, if you want high scores you'll need to step up to a Middle or High end card
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The Sapphire ATI 5770 is a pretty good 'middle of the road' card - my system has one and with a little overclocking of my CPU and GPU, I can increase the benchmark from 2500 on high res to ~2800.

In comparison, my brother recently built a new PC with an XFX 5870, and that thing is a beast - clocked around 4800 on high res benchmark with no overclocking (we have similar system specs so it's clearly the card that is making the difference).

In Australia, 2 x 5770 in crossfire would cost you around $400, whereas one 5870 would set you back $500 or so; don't know how prices are in the US/EU, but we get charged a premium on technology down here.
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Okay, so let's say you get a graphics card that says "requires 450W power supply". In that case, I would suggest a 600-650W power supply. Let's say the card says "requires a 350W power supply", then in that case I would suggest a 500-550W.

Basically, take whatever power supply minimum the card recommends, and then add 150 to 200 to that. If you have a 680W PSU already, you should be fine with any card that doesn't say "requires a 600W (or higher) power supply".


here's the short version... go here

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

It will calculate how much power you need. Don't cheap out on a powersupply either. IF you get a cheap crappy one and it explodes it can take other parts with your computer. The power supply is one of the only parts, that when it dies, loves to take other parts with it. My old... decent power supply was dying and kept shutting my computer off, had to get a new mobo cause it screwed the **** out of my RAID controller and i kept having tons of issues.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 8:58am by boriss
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So would this set up work:

Ultra LS600 Lifetime Series 600W Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-Express ($40 at Tiger Direct)
*I dont know why a power supply says PCI express, my newish 450 doesnt say that.*

Asus - ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card (Best Buy, same prices all around, but has a 30 day return policy if it doesn't work)
*Unless someone knows about a card that I can buy at Best Buy or featured at another site I can price match it to from Best, that will work in my computer. If its a difference between $160 (the Asus 5770) and say $200ish (for a different model you recommend) I most likely will spend the higher amount.

I honestly would ask my friend who works at best buy, but as you read, the guy does not know what hes talking about (ha, neither do I really)

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So would this set up work:

Ultra LS600 Lifetime Series 600W Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-Express ($40 at Tiger Direct)
*I dont know why a power supply says PCI express, my newish 450 doesnt say that.*

Asus - ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card (Best Buy, same prices all around, but has a 30 day return policy if it doesn't work)
*Unless someone knows about a card that I can buy at Best Buy or featured at another site I can price match it to from Best, that will work in my computer. If its a difference between $160 (the Asus 5770) and say $200ish (for a different model you recommend) I most likely will spend the higher amount.


I honestly would ask my friend who works at best buy, but as you read, the guy does not know what hes talking about (ha, neither do I really)


PCI-Express could be mentioned because it has connectors for that, it is a 6 pin connector that plugs into your graphics card, or in the case of many cards, they require two.

I've also seen that when referring to PSU's that have the 8-pin EPS connector for the motherboard (some processors require 150W fed straight to them, used to be there was only a 4-pin connector on the board) for some reason, although I'm not sure why.

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So after hitting 4 stores, the best one I am told they have in stock at around the 180-250 range is this model (two stores had a section for the higher cards, about 400 a pop) I could use your opinions though, I dont wanna find out in 2 months when FFXIV hits the shelves that yet again bought a card that wont work.

XFX - ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card Model: HD-577A-ZNF


I do not understand the difference between this one and the asus model except the above has a 2.1 pci-e while the asus has 2.0.
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Awesome to see that someone used a 8800 GTX... It is my only bottleneck in my current system (havent finished building yet so dunno my bench) I was hoping it would do ok for a lil bit. I plan on upgrading before CE hits but i will be putting my 8800 in my fiances rig which holds a AMD II 630.. so as long as she can play on low she is fine.. She dont care about the graphics as much.. she just wants to play lol
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Probably a really silly question.

A friend that I was trying to get interested in FFXIV just took the bench and it gave him a low score. He says his rig is well above what they list needed, but he doesn't have surround sound. He's thinking the fact he has no ss is what's causing the low score.

Any validity in this?
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It's obvious you need a new video card... I just can't believe no one has mentioned the super crappy ram you have...

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RAM Speed : 333.4 MHz (3:5) @ 5-5-5-15


Even if you get a new GPU your ram is going to keep you barely chugging along. You could have 20gigs of that ram and it wont do you much good at those speeds. I believe the fastest DDR2 ram runs at 800MHz stock and most computers are running DDR3 which runs average 1300MHz. If your computer doesn't take DDR3 ram, I would get 4gigs of some 800MHz DDR2.

Upon looking at your CPU, you're running 1.8GHz x4.. it'll run the game, but you should look into upgrading that too... You're kind of at a sticky point because you're already essentially replacing everything in your computer and it's not recommended (at least by me) to replace your CPU and not replace your Motherboard. After replacing all those parts, you're basically buying a brand new computer.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 11:53pm by Ravida
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Probably a really silly question.

A friend that I was trying to get interested in FFXIV just took the bench and it gave him a low score. He says his rig is well above what they list needed, but he doesn't have surround sound. He's thinking the fact he has no ss is what's causing the low score.

Any validity in this?


None whatsoever.

The benchmark runs almost primarily off of GPU/CPU and RAM/FSB speed. Not having surround sound will not cause this problem.

Actually, motherboards have had integrated 5.1 for ages now. If his motherboard doesn't have 5.1, his system is almost certainly too old. I'd need his specs to know more.

But the sole fact that he doesn't have surround sound alone will not affect the performance.
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PCI-Express could be mentioned because it has connectors for that, it is a 6 pin connector that plugs into your graphics card, or in the case of many cards, they require two.

I've also seen that when referring to PSU's that have the 8-pin EPS connector for the motherboard (some processors require 150W fed straight to them, used to be there was only a 4-pin connector on the board) for some reason, although I'm not sure why.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 12:08pm by Wint



Higher end motherboards have the 8 pin connections for overclocking. My rampage III extreme has 2 8pin connectors for the CPU, for when you do extreme overclocking (using phase change, dry ice, LN2, etc).
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Make sure the PSU covers the amperage rating if applicable, and for your processor, I'd say take whatever the minimum PSU required for the GPU is and add at least 150-200W to that.


Could you explain this a little more? I do not fully understand what I would need to do, I thought the processor I had in the computer was well enough. So would I need a new one (and if so how would I do that) or is the 680 power going to be enough then?


Okay, so let's say you get a graphics card that says "requires 450W power supply". In that case, I would suggest a 600-650W power supply. Let's say the card says "requires a 350W power supply", then in that case I would suggest a 500-550W.

Basically, take whatever power supply minimum the card recommends, and then add 150 to 200 to that. If you have a 680W PSU already, you should be fine with any card that doesn't say "requires a 600W (or higher) power supply".


Not all power supplies are created equal. Cheapo (and even some not cheap) PSUs often use the max load you can pull off them as their watt rating. You can pull that much power but it will eventually kill your power supply.

Personally I'd recommend Antec. Their PSU's perform exactly as they are supposed to. On the spec sheet the maximum load is actually higher than the listed watt rating of the PSU.



Edited, Jul 24th 2010 6:52am by Lobivopis
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Fetter wrote:

Wint wrote:


PCI-Express could be mentioned because it has connectors for that, it is a 6 pin connector that plugs into your graphics card, or in the case of many cards, they require two.

I've also seen that when referring to PSU's that have the 8-pin EPS connector for the motherboard (some processors require 150W fed straight to them, used to be there was only a 4-pin connector on the board) for some reason, although I'm not sure why.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 12:08pm by Wint



Higher end motherboards have the 8 pin connections for overclocking. My rampage III extreme has 2 8pin connectors for the CPU, for when you do extreme overclocking (using phase change, dry ice, LN2, etc).


Part of the reason for the switch to 8 pin power connectors is simply the increased power requirements of newer graphics cards and motherboards.

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 6:49am by Lobivopis
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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It's obvious you need a new video card... I just can't believe no one has mentioned the super crappy ram you have...

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RAM : 4096 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 333.4 MHz (3:5) @ 5-5-5-15


Even if you get a new GPU your ram is going to keep you barely chugging along. You could have 20gigs of that ram and it wont do you much good at those speeds. I believe the fastest DDR2 ram runs at 800MHz stock and most computers are running DDR3 which runs average 1300MHz. If your computer doesn't take DDR3 ram, I would get 4gigs of some 800MHz DDR2.

Upon looking at your CPU, you're running 1.8GHz x4.. it'll run the game, but you should look into upgrading that too... You're kind of at a sticky point because you're already essentially replacing everything in your computer and it's not recommended (at least by me) to replace your CPU and not replace your Motherboard. After replacing all those parts, you're basically buying a brand new computer.



I don't think that CPU even supports DDR3, and if it does then it's not likely to make much difference.

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 6:59am by Lobivopis
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Okay, so let's say you get a graphics card that says "requires 450W power supply". In that case, I would suggest a 600-650W power supply. Let's say the card says "requires a 350W power supply", then in that case I would suggest a 500-550W.

Basically, take whatever power supply minimum the card recommends, and then add 150 to 200 to that. If you have a 680W PSU already, you should be fine with any card that doesn't say "requires a 600W (or higher) power supply".


Yes, I have the same problem. I have a 300w power supply and a card that requires a minimum of 450. However I have been playing a few games on my PC (even FFXIV when possible) and it's been fine. I do expect it to cut out at any moment, but it hasn't. Which is nice. All I can figure is that because my computer doesn't have much in it (literally the basics plus the 5770) it's actually managing on the 300w.

I would probably have to change the Power supply if I ever upgraded anything else, I imagine... BUT the 5770 is massive and there is now little room left in the case :D


It also depends a lot on who made the PSU. Dell, for example, rates their PSUs according to constant output (much lower than the max output they are capable of), whereas most manufacturers rate their PSU according to max output. That means that a Dell PSU that says "325 Watts" is often the equivalent of a 500 or 600 watt PSU from some other manufacturer. Dell's method is, IMO, more honest, since it's sustained output that matters most, but since every one else uses the inflated "max" number, it ends up being confusing.
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Dell's method is, IMO, more honest,


Maybe in that one case, but I remember all the lies that Dell has been saying for years about their failing motherboards in their Optiplex line. I remember forcing them to send a few techs over with 75 motherboards to replace their failed & soon to fail boards.
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i have 8800 gt in sli, but we know sli dont work with the BM, and my score is 3143 low and 1750 high

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Why would you use 8800 GTs in that computer?
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I don't think that CPU even supports DDR3, and if it does then it's not likely to make much difference.


It's not the CPU that would support it, it would be the motherboard that would need to support it. And you're right. It won't make that much of a difference. The computer is just too old. Every piece on it needs to be upgraded. The GPU is actually the best piece of hardware on the computer.
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