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#52 Jul 24 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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It's obvious you need a new video card... I just can't believe no one has mentioned the super crappy ram you have...

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RAM : 4096 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 333.4 MHz (3:5) @ 5-5-5-15


Even if you get a new GPU your ram is going to keep you barely chugging along. You could have 20gigs of that ram and it wont do you much good at those speeds. I believe the fastest DDR2 ram runs at 800MHz stock and most computers are running DDR3 which runs average 1300MHz. If your computer doesn't take DDR3 ram, I would get 4gigs of some 800MHz DDR2.


The RAM frequency listed in CPU-Z is the base frequency. The OP's RAM is DDR2 667, which is not really that slow...


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I don't think that CPU even supports DDR3, and if it does then it's not likely to make much difference.


It's not the CPU that would support it, it would be the motherboard that would need to support it. And you're right. It won't make that much of a difference. The computer is just too old. Every piece on it needs to be upgraded. The GPU is actually the best piece of hardware on the computer.


Phenoms have the memory controller on the CPU, so yes, the CPU needs to support DDR3 in addition to the motherboard.

But, Phenom's memory controller doesn't support DDR3 (PhenomII does).

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 3:29pm by Pickins
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#53 Jul 24 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I do not know how to upgrade my cpu or mother board. I am sure its decent enough when you learn how to, but how I figure this I am going to play FFXIV for another 5 years. When my current computer fails (I know it will, they always do, I give it another 2-3 years) then I will go upgrade on everything I can except for the current stuff I buy for this one to switch into another computer.

I had planned on upgrading the RAM with another PNY 2G DDR2 chip since I noticed in my video editing, while not LAGGING I notice bars appearing in the solid colors as they move and slight ghosting. To me this seems the best bet since we go through computers about every 5-6 years. (once 3 times in a month)
#54 Jul 24 2010 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not trying to be hostile or antagonistic, so please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just trying to provide some helpful advice:

Aoroi wrote:
I had planned on upgrading the RAM with another PNY 2G DDR2 chip since I noticed in my video editing, while not LAGGING I notice bars appearing in the solid colors as they move and slight ghosting. To me this seems the best bet since we go through computers about every 5-6 years. (once 3 times in a month)


Buying new DDR2 RAM for this system is not going to make much of a difference, if any. If you want to upgrade, replace your motherboard and processor and get DDR3 RAM. Buying new old RAM for an old computer is a waste of your money.

Aoroi wrote:
I do not know how to upgrade my cpu or mother board. I am sure its decent enough when you learn how to, but how I figure this I am going to play FFXIV for another 5 years. When my current computer fails (I know it will, they always do, I give it another 2-3 years) then I will go upgrade on everything I can except for the current stuff I buy for this one to switch into another computer.


Your CPU isn't too terribly bad, but your video card needs replacing desperately. I did see a red flag here, and I'm not sure if I just misunderstood: You said later in the post (I quoted out of order) that you were planning on buying new DDR2 RAM, and you say here that you plan to use the things you buy during this upgrade in the new computer. If/when this computer "fails" on you and you decide to replace anything, I would not recommend your new system have DDR2. This is why I said it was a waste of money; you're buying new old parts for a system you're planning to decommission.

I would highly advise replacing that video card with a new one; to put it in simplistic terms, anything you see online for under $160 (before sale price, if any) is probably not that great. If you want to save money, stick to a $160-$200 card. If you want more performance, go higher. As a general rule (this is not always the case, feel free to ask "is this card any good?") better cards cost more money and ****** cards cost less money. Anything lower than a Radeon 5770 series (5800/5900 are better) or a GTX 2XX series (4XX is better) are probably not good buys for the money. Don't forget to make sure your PSU can handle it.

If you want to upgrade beyond that, I strongly advise replacing CPU/MB/RAM being replaced all at once. 4 GB RAM is fine; the problem you have is not that you need -more- RAM, but that you need -faster- RAM. You could upgrade to DDR2 800 but as I said, you're throwing money away by doing that. Save your money until you can get a motherboard that supports an i5/i7 or Phenom II and DDR3 RAM and buy them at once.

There are tutorials on how to install these, but if you still feel overwhelmed, ask one of your friends who is good with hardware. As long as you weren't one of those ultra-jock types in high school who made it your life's work to harass "nerds", you should probably have at least one of them. Depending on how well you know em, they may be willing to help you out for a beer and a sandwich (or whatever).


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#55 Jul 24 2010 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I see what you mean about not buying the new / old RAM. as for card I think I settled on:
XFX - ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card Model: HD-577A-ZNF
$200 at bestbuy. Please note, even though I have been screwed several times by the company in differant ways, I still shop at the stores for the return policy. There is a 'computer hardware' store in the mall I work, where they sell mass quantities of motherboards, chips, all the parts really, but they do not allow any returns, even if the product they sell is busted.

this card should work from what I am told, and still work when the current one I have fails. I was looking into the 5850 but the way it was explained to me, while the 5800 series is higher, the third number is what made the difference.

I am more of a consul player (shooters mainly online) until the right MMO hits me, and it was FFXI first, now with FFXIV I do not foresee my needing to upgrade for further games as I plan to keep this up, of course with the occasional slipping into WoW when I feel the need to kill a few friends.



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#56 Jul 24 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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You can get the same card on newegg for $30 cheaper and free shipping (lifetime warranty):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447&cm_re=xfx_5770-_-14-150-447-_-Product

Or, this Asus card is $130 after MIR (3-year warranty):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363&cm_re=5770-_-14-121-363-_-Product
(I don't like the cooling on this model, though. I prefer it to vent out the back.)


I hate to see people buy the overpriced components from Best Buy...

Also, the 5850 is quite a bit faster than the 5770, but it is priced accordingly.

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 11:52pm by Pickins
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#57 Jul 24 2010 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought about the 5850. I like the coolant fan on the XFX but I do not see why it has such a low rating on the 4770, at least on new egg. Thanks for the site, forgot to look there. Wow BB does overprice there items. Dont know if it is the same item though, the cards model number has a Z on it while the BB one doesnt. but with all the cards and types out there, least I have a month to look for it. who knows, maybe the 5850 will drop in time.

Edited, Jul 25th 2010 12:40am by Aoroi
#58 Jul 24 2010 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I now how you feel I have an NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT and an AMD 64 X2 @ 2.1 I scored a 570 on the test, from what I see I need to upgrade the Video card and the CPU
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#59 Jul 25 2010 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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I'm using the 577A XFX card. That, plus a Phenom II X4 925 got me a 4000/2600 on the benchmark. For $170, I'm pretty happy with my performance. Debating upgrading it though, if I had the money. I do recommend it though. I also don't recommend buying video cards or RAM from retail outlets like Best Buy. They usually charge 15-30% markups on these parts. Partially because they don't sell often and the store needs to make a profit when they do sell, and the reason for that is that people in the know tend to buy online. the only downside to buying online is that if you get a DOA part, you can't just walk it back to the store; you have to get an RMA and ship it, but the chances of DOA are rather small.

Comparing this 5770 to this 5850 (I picked the same manufacturer to make it easier), here are the differences:

- The 5770 is 128-bit, the 5850 is 256 bit.
- The Stream Processors increase from 800 (5770) to 1440 (5850)
- The core clock speed of the 5850 is 725 MHz vs the 5770's 850 MHz.
- The 5850 requires a better PSU and two 6-pin piwer plugs (compared to the 5770's one 6-pin)

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_5000_series has more information on the differences, if you're so inclined to read on.

Edited, Jul 25th 2010 7:53am by Mikhalia
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#60 Jul 25 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I like how the set up you posted is, sounded helpful and in the price range. Looking at it though I was told my computer cannot handle the new upgrades, to get a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 1GB...

At the moment I cannot upgrade the processor ( I think thats called the cpu) so I have to get a decent enough card to compensate. So it seems Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 1GB, Raddeon 4770, or a gtx 260. I dont know why the 260, just another option I guess. With my system being a Quad core, I should be able to handle it with the 4gig ddr2 ram, just need a new card/power. I am actually laughing though because the power supply I have is 450W and he said thats all I need, no higher. Which doesn't seem right since the 460 is 450W alone, to me but he talked me out of buying the card from the computer store.
#61 Jul 26 2010 at 4:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Aoroi wrote:
I like how the set up you posted is, sounded helpful and in the price range. Looking at it though I was told my computer cannot handle the new upgrades, to get a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 1GB...

At the moment I cannot upgrade the processor ( I think thats called the cpu) so I have to get a decent enough card to compensate. So it seems Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 1GB, Raddeon 4770, or a gtx 260. I dont know why the 260, just another option I guess. With my system being a Quad core, I should be able to handle it with the 4gig ddr2 ram, just need a new card/power. I am actually laughing though because the power supply I have is 450W and he said thats all I need, no higher. Which doesn't seem right since the 460 is 450W alone, to me but he talked me out of buying the card from the computer store.


Umm, no. The recommended 450W PSU for the GTX 460 includes all the other components in your PC, not just the card itself.

As for the card it self, it uses up to about 150W on full load.
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#62 Jul 26 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
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It also depends a lot on who made the PSU. Dell, for example, rates their PSUs according to constant output (much lower than the max output they are capable of), whereas most manufacturers rate their PSU according to max output. That means that a Dell PSU that says "325 Watts" is often the equivalent of a 500 or 600 watt PSU from some other manufacturer. Dell's method is, IMO, more honest, since it's sustained output that matters most, but since every one else uses the inflated "max" number, it ends up being confusing.


Antec doesn't use the max output either which is why they are pretty much the only company I trust for PSUs.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#63 Jul 26 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Umm, no. The recommended 450W PSU for the GTX 460 includes all the other components in your PC, not just the card itself.

As for the card it self, it uses up to about 150W on full load.


So with my current 450W power supply the GTX 460 will work?
#64 Jul 26 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
GTX 260 works nicely on low/medium settings, 160+8$ on newegg
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#65 Jul 26 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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Re posting due to a misunderstanding.

When running the FF XIV benchmark I get a score of 1900 +/- on low res and a score of 1100 +/- on high res.

Here are my system specs:
- Intel Quad Core i7 720 QM
- 8 Gigabytes of DDR3 Ram
- ATI Radeon Mobility 5730 - 1 Gig
- Windows 7 Premium - 64 bit

Maybe I have no idea what I am talking about, but does anyone know why I am getting such low scores? I know that my video card is mid table for laptops but seriously, only 1900 on low res?

Somebody mentioned overclocking? I am not Mr. Computer but can you even overclock a laptop? Also somebody mentioned what is my bottlekneck? Well I am assuming they mean what is slowing my laptop down. That is exactly what I am trying to figure out.

Any ideas, comments or help would be greatly appreciated.

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