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#1 Jul 23 2010 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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When I ran the benchmark I scored around 2300 points. According to SE's standards that should be just around sub-standard:

[2000-2499] Slightly Low Performance
Capable of running the game, but may experience some slowdown. Adjust settings to improve performance.

I'd like to beef up my system a bit to improve it's capabilities but that may not be until well after FFXIV comes out. Here's my specs:

OS: Windows Vista (6.0) Home Premium Edition SP2
Motherboard: ASUS P5QL PRO
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (Wolfdale) 3.0GHz (Has not been overclocked yet. Using stock cooler)
Memory: 4GB DDR2 667 RAM (2x 1GB Corsair + 2GB Generic memory)
Video: BFG Tech NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT OC 512MB GDDR3 256-bit(DirectX 11.0) (Core 675MHz, Shader 1700MHz, Memory 915MHz)
HDD: Western Digital Caviar 250GB SATA drive
Power Supply: 500W Rosewell
Case: Rosewell Conquerer

Two key pieces I know I need to replace is the memory and maybe the video card. 9600GT seems to be the recommended card but I think I can do better. Anyway what do you guys think?

EDIT: Found the box for my video card, it's a BFG Tech GeForce 9600GT OC version. From what my brother told me when he sold it to me the card it's an overclocked version of the 9600GT.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 12:32am by SamusKnight

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 12:42am by SamusKnight
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#2 Jul 23 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Your processor meets the minimum requirements, it's your GPU more than anything. 9600GT is pretty bad. If you're sticking with your CPU and have a small budget just upgrade your card. Do not however buy some top of the line card as your cpu will bottleneck it anyway. If you only have $100-130 to spend, I would suggest a 9800GTX. If you have 200 the new GTX460 fermi is supposed to run pretty well. Although I don't think it will reach it's max potential on your rig, it will make a big difference and you won't be blowing $400 on something that won't perform. If you're getting a 2300 with what you have on 720, I would theorize that a 9800GTX would put you @ around 2600-2800 and the 460 would bump you over 3k. Make sure you have Windows Aero off too, it's in control panel > windows & appearance . Just set it to vista basic or windows classic. I have a similar set up only my CPU is worse (only an E5200 dual core @ 2.5ghz) and with a standard 9800 and aero off I'm breaking 2500 now.

*btw if you invest in some cooling, wolfdales OC really well. Even with stock sinks I hear people can run a solid 3.6ghz without meltdown. I'd suggest installing another fan or two at the least though if you're only running one fan.

Best results: Cooling > OC Core2Duo > GTX4XX card. Spend less than 300 and run on medium settings comfortably.

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#3 Jul 23 2010 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Right now my budget is really tight... But about the overclocking, I think my memory would hold my system back, it's only 667 whereas my processor has a 1333 FSB rating. If I can kick it up to 1066 (My motherboard won't handle anything higher than DDR2 memory) I can probably get a better OC out of it. While I haven't actually used it to the advantage yet my case is designed for overclocking with two large 120mm fans built in the front for intake, a rear 120mm fan, and room for a 120mm fan on the side. I have a side fan currently but it barely pulls in anything. I intend on replacing that one very soon. I was thinking of going with a GeForce GTS 250 but I don't think it'll be much of an improvement over my current one.

As for memory I planned on going with this combo. On an off-note, how well would a GeForce GT240 fare with FFXIV? My roomie's got a new computer he bought, it's a gaming rig but has a 240 for the graphics card. When I buy a new card he was thinking of buying my 9600 off me but we're not sure if the 240 is better or worse than my setup.

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#4 Jul 23 2010 at 2:42 AM Rating: Good
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Replace the memory, the video card, the processor, and the motherboard. And probably the power supply, depending on what you currently have.

GTX 460 or higher or a Radeon 5770 or higher for video card. I would strongly, strongly, strongly advise against any of the GT or GTS series. Most people who have a GT or GTS are trying to replace them because their benchmark scores are low.
Quad core or better processor. Dual cores do not do well at all. I don't think I've seen a dual core score over 3k.
DDR3 RAM to go with the new motherboard when you upgrade the processor. The difference between DDR3 1333/1600 vs DDR2 667 is immense.

That will get you into the 4000-5000 range or higher.

If you replace your current card with another GT/GTS and leave your processor as is, you're just going to spend a lot of money and still be under 3000.

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Unfortunately a GTS240 is pretty much just a 9600GT with a shiny new name. 9800GTX will destroy it.
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#6 Jul 23 2010 at 2:47 AM Rating: Good
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GuardianFaith wrote:
Unfortunately a GTS240 is pretty much just a 9600GT with a shiny new name. 9800GTX will destroy it.


And a 5770 or a GTX 200 series will destroy that :)

I get that people want to save money, but the difference between a $100-150 card vs a $175-225 card is HUGE. Spend a little more and get a LOT more.
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And a 5770 or a GTX 200 series will destroy that :)

I get that people want to save money, but the difference between a $100-150 card vs a $175-225 card is HUGE. Spend a little more and get a LOT more.


Indeed. However, he said he's on a very tight budget and you told him to buy a new computer :D
I just suggested the 98 because I figured anything more than that would be wasted in such a machine anyway. I do not dare challenge your tech-savvyness Mik ^^
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#8 Jul 23 2010 at 2:59 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, my advise would be that if you can't afford to upgrade now, save your money and upgrade later. Don't buy a low-end video card to replace a lower-end video card. Save up till you can afford a mid-range or better card.

Even if you can't afford to upgrade the processor, at least get a Radeon 5770 or a GTX 460. Throwing anything less than that in there is a waste of money. Don't buy new RAM either; that's a waste of money too. Wait till you can afford to replace the CPU/MB/RAM all at one and do that then. Any new DDR2 RAM put in there now will be collecting dust once you can afford to upgrade to a DDR3 board to support a quad core processor.

EDIT: And when someone's computer is all-around poor, I always tell them to get a new one. I'm re-using Lovi's analogy again; It's like putting a carburetor on a lawn mower engine. It might make it perform a -little- better, but it's still a lawn mower engine.

When you have a low-end processor -and- RAM -and- video card, the only way to get better performance is to improve -all- of them. Replacing one part that is way too weak with a new part that is also too weak is just throwing money away.

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#9 Jul 23 2010 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the info Mik, but I'm not about to go all out on my PC anytime soon. I'm happy with my motherboard and processor, don't intend on changing these out for quite some time. The memory has always been an issue for me because at this point I SHOULD be at least using something better than 667. Standard settings (default or whatever) are fine with me. I'll be playing on a 1440x900 monitor anyway so beefing up my computer for such a small resolution would be a complete waste. I've got a 1920x1080 Samsung SyncMaster 2333HD monitor too but that actually serves as a television for watching TV or gaming on my PS3. I have it connected as a secondary monitor but overall I prefer my smaller monitor over it.

Right now I just want to play FFXIV within reason, once the PS3 version is released I'll likely switch over to that version instead, using my PC occasionally. Besides, going all out for a single game (I don't play Crysis, Dragon Age, or any other games that require high end hardware.) doesn't seem worth it to me.
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Yeah I'd suggest a 5770 ($150) or higher as well. I think that would be the best bang for the buck.

You would then be able to carry it over to your new upgraded machine.
#11 Jul 23 2010 at 4:13 AM Rating: Good
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SamusKnight wrote:
Thanks for the info Mik, but I'm not about to go all out on my PC anytime soon. I'm happy with my motherboard and processor, don't intend on changing these out for quite some time. The memory has always been an issue for me because at this point I SHOULD be at least using something better than 667. Standard settings (default or whatever) are fine with me. I'll be playing on a 1440x900 monitor anyway so beefing up my computer for such a small resolution would be a complete waste. I've got a 1920x1080 Samsung SyncMaster 2333HD monitor too but that actually serves as a television for watching TV or gaming on my PS3. I have it connected as a secondary monitor but overall I prefer my smaller monitor over it.

Right now I just want to play FFXIV within reason, once the PS3 version is released I'll likely switch over to that version instead, using my PC occasionally. Besides, going all out for a single game (I don't play Crysis, Dragon Age, or any other games that require high end hardware.) doesn't seem worth it to me.


XIV's requirements are -A LOT- higher than Crysis or Dragon Age. If you consider -them- to require high end hardware, then XIV requires EXTREMELY high end hardware.

Point blank: There is currently no game on the market that I'm aware of that has a higher recommended spec than XIV lists.

Even with a GPU upgrade, you still will not be able to play at standard/default settings. With your system as-is, plus a Radeon 5770/GTX 200 series, you still probably won't be able to get the game to run well on anything higher than minimum to low. That's what I'm trying to warn you about.

The only way to get your system to be able to run the game on medium settings or better will require a -complete- overhaul of CPU/MB/RAM/GPU. Merely replacing your GPU will not raise your benchmark score by much because your CPU will still hold it back.
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Radeon 5770 or a GTX 460


Semi off topic, but:

Mik, I'm curious as to your use of the 5770 vs GTX 460. As I understand it, the 5770 is a tier down from the 460 Nvidia series [which would be comprable to the 5830, and the same price range as well]. especially since the price range between the 5770 and 5830 seems to be almost negligible.



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Radeon 5770 or a GTX 460


Semi off topic, but:

Mik, I'm curious as to your use of the 5770 vs GTX 460. As I understand it, the 5770 is a tier down from the 460 Nvidia series [which would be comprable to the 5830, and the same price range as well]. especially since the price range between the 5770 and 5830 seems to be almost negligible.



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Probably because there are no Geforce cards on the market right now that are in the same league as the HD 5770. You only get Geforces that are either lower in performance (which isn't recommended for the game) or higher (the GTX 460).
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I haven't looked too closely at the performance of a 5770 vs 5830 but would have thought 5830 would be choice but hold out a month for the potential price drop.
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would be choice but hold out a month for the potential price drop.


On the 5830s or the 5k series as a whole???????? I was actually looking @ a 5850 for my new build. . . . ;)
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Well I managed to score a Radeon HD 5770 for about $120 bucks. I couldn't find the info anywhere but I'm assuming it should work with a 500W power supply, shouldn't it? I got no qualms about buying a new power supply if required, I just wanna know if my current supply will suffice until then. The Radeon won't be coming for awhile tho. But here's the info on it:

ASUS ATI CuCore Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 128-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363

I don't know a huge amount about video cards but isn't 128-bit kind of low? Also this is the memory I've decided to go with:

Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148212

Sorry Mikhalia, I'm still going with my current motherboard and processor. At least until I can decide for myselfif it's really worth all the extra cash. But I thank you for the suggestions. Anyway, the ram seems like it's excellent for overclocking so I can probably push it to 1066. Unfortunately to overclock the processor I have to overclock the ram too, my BIOS won't allow me to change the FSB without changing the ram.
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#17 Jul 27 2010 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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SamusKnight wrote:
Well I managed to score a Radeon HD 5770 for about $120 bucks. I couldn't find the info anywhere but I'm assuming it should work with a 500W power supply, shouldn't it? I got no qualms about buying a new power supply if required, I just wanna know if my current supply will suffice until then. The Radeon won't be coming for awhile tho. But here's the info on it:

ASUS ATI CuCore Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 128-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363

I don't know a huge amount about video cards but isn't 128-bit kind of low? Also this is the memory I've decided to go with:

Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148212

Sorry Mikhalia, I'm still going with my current motherboard and processor. At least until I can decide for myselfif it's really worth all the extra cash. But I thank you for the suggestions. Anyway, the ram seems like it's excellent for overclocking so I can probably push it to 1066. Unfortunately to overclock the processor I have to overclock the ram too, my BIOS won't allow me to change the FSB without changing the ram.


Yeah the 8400 is no slouch. I think this was the best route to go for you.

Overclock both the processor and the video card and you should be on your way.

The only thing I would be worried about is the PSU (500w are recommended) but you won't really know until you have everything set up.
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I just got a 460 overclocked but high score only went up to 2700. My system is same as yours, e8400 3ghz. It appears the benchmark has some weird love towards multi cores while the CPU usage is no where near max.

It's been discussed in other forums that the benchmark might not be an accurate representation of the real game. If you play with other benchmarks, you will find the FF14 benchmark is indeed very weird.

The bottom line is really fps, because that's exactly what effect your game play. People been getting very good fps and their scores is just terrible.
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