Forum Settings
       
This Forum is Read Only

Are you going to buy a new PC or rebuild your current?Follow

#1 Jul 23 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
*
209 posts
Are you guys are you going all out and buying a new PC or are you going to upgrade your current PC?

EDIT: Because I don't want this to sound like a rant just a friendly conversation!

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 6:12pm by TheBSTGuy
#2 Jul 23 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
**
394 posts
You are a glutton for punishment. You already had your whiny rant thread earlier today, how much Default are going for in 24 hours? Your system will handle FFXIV just fine, you don't need to drop $1500. If anything, a midrange GPU upgrade is all you need. I'll be running it smoothly on high settings with my E8400 and GTX 460, though it would have ran fine on my GTX 260 too, thank you very much.
#3 Jul 23 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
18 posts
Hello! Long time Lurker but it goes with the old saying of, "If you don't have nothing to say...."
Anyway here's what I went with for my new PC with my allowable budget that I bought from cyberpowerpc.com. I didn't list stuff that I didn't think was pertinent. Let me know what you guys and gals think. Thanks!

CPU: AMD Phenom™II X6 1090T Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology

HDD: 640GB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)

MOTHERBOARD: GigaByte GA-870A-UD3 AMD 870/SB850 chipset support DDR3 Ultra Durable™3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 Audio, GBLAN, Support 6-core CPU, CPU Auto Unlocker, USB3.0, SATA-III, ON/OFF Charge for IPod, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 2 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI

MEMORY: 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1333MHz Dual Channel Memory

OS: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts

VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card

PRICE: ($1203.65)
#4 Jul 23 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
***
1,159 posts
Coming from a man who just bought 8 gigs of ram for his new rig I would advise you to stick with 4. I regret buying so much ram...you don't need it.
#5 Jul 23 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
*
155 posts
To the OP I don't believe that the 470 is really worth the money, and another 4gigs of RAM won't do much except suck more power in this case.

As for the question the only salvagable parts in my 2 generations old rig are the DVDRW, HDD, and maybe the case. Therefore I thought it was time a shiny new box was born.

Going into the mix...

Antec 300
i5 750 (view to OC to about 3.5 GHz) Arctic cooling freezer 7 v2
HD 5850 1 GB (possible OC)
4 GB 1600 MHz
Asus p7p55D-E
Antec truepower new 650w
Samsung 1 TB F3
Samsung DVDRW

Just a shame my monitor won't do it justice. Maybe a new one next year...
#6 Jul 23 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
Anterograde Amnesia
Avatar
*****
12,363 posts
Windows Vista/7 is weird about RAM I've found. I tried running with 4gb and it was using about 1.5 at idle, when I have 8gb in it uses about 3 at idle. I think Windows allocates what it needs + some amount more for overhead.
____________________________
"Choosy MMO's choose Wint." - Louiscool
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
Keyser Soze - Ultros
Guide to Setting Up Mumble on a Raspberry Pi
#7 Jul 23 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
*
155 posts
I agree. Drop back to 4GB and get a better GPU or get an SLI mobo and twin up on the 460 (or with a view to in the future).
#8 Jul 23 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
***
2,010 posts
Yea I agree with Trauma - you got away with one rant thread but don't try to make it two :p

Just wait until the game actually comes out. The parts aren't going anywhere, and you don't know for sure at this point whether you need them. Your rig is already pretty powerful.
#9 Jul 23 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,457 posts
BST what is your benchmark on 720?
____________________________
Hunter Avril
Rogue Ultra
Paladin Awhellnah
Mage Shantotto
Shaman Lakshmi
Faith (Valefor)

#10 Jul 23 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
*
216 posts
I've been planning to get another 2GB of ram for a while, but beyond that I wont be upgrading anything. Hopefully the game will look good and run smoothly on my PC... the benchmark came out saying it was fine for standard settings.

As much as I dislike saying so, if FFXIV performs poorly on my PC in the open stress test I'll probably cancel my pre-order and skip it. I built this PC 1.5 years ago, and since none of the other upcoming games that interest me would require me to upgrade, I really can't justify upgrading for a single game.

But as I mentioned, the benchmark indicated that I'd be able to run it on standard settings. So unless the benchmark was completely flawed, I'm confident that I'll be playing in September.
#11 Jul 23 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
Sage
**
770 posts
theweenie wrote:
As much as I dislike saying so, if FFXIV performs poorly on my PC in the open stress test I'll probably cancel my pre-order and skip it. I built this PC 1.5 years ago, and since none of the other upcoming games that interest me would require me to upgrade, I really can't justify upgrading for a single game.


Heh, you say that now.. few weeks ago i couldnt justify buying a new pc for this game and id wait for ps3 but.. well ended up buying a cheep one that needs a few upgrades. Think it will be worth it eventually.

theweenie wrote:
But as I mentioned, the benchmark indicated that I'd be able to run it on standard settings. So unless the benchmark was completely flawed, I'm confident that I'll be playing in September.


See you there ;) you know you wanna play.. (you kinda said so hehe)
____________________________
I do not suffer from insanity.. I rather enjoy it.

{retired} Devalynn Mithra WHM extrodinare -Garuda (gives everyone a high paw! yeah!)

Church OF Mikhalia
#12 Jul 23 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
247 posts
koiarhk,

Check out AVADirect, they seem to be a bit cheaper than Cyberpower. For some reason they don't seem to offer the GTX 460 1GB, but you can just skip buying a GPU from them and add it in yourself for $230.

For example, I just configured the following PC for $636, which you could then add a $230 GTX 460 1 GB yourself for a total of $866. I think this is about what I would get if I were to just purchase a brand new rig:

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
HEC Orion HP 585D 585W Power Supply, 24-pin ATX, ATX12V, Dual 80mm Fans, OEM
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H
AMD Phenom™ II X4 955 Quad-Core 3.2GHz
KINGSTON 4GB (2 x 2GB) ValueRAM PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz CL9 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
SONY AD-7241S Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Lightscribe, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)

You could build the almost the exact same PC you listed (different MoBo that I think is a bit better) at AVADirect for $890 plus the $230 for the GTX 460 1GB for a total of $1120:

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
HEC Orion HP 585D 585W Power Supply, 24-pin ATX, ATX12V, Dual 80mm Fans, OEM
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H
AMD Phenom™ II X6 1090T Six-Core 3.2GHz
KINGSTON 8GB (4 x 2GB) ValueRAM PC3-8500 DDR3 1066MHz CL7 (7-7-7) 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
WESTERN DIGITAL 640GB WD Caviar® SE16 (WD6400AAKS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200-RPM, 16MB cache
SONY AD-7241S Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Lightscribe, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)



Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 5:19pm by Enscheff
#13 Jul 23 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
18 posts
Thanks a bunch for the input, I greatly appreciate it.
#14 Jul 23 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
*
209 posts
Quote:
You are a glutton for punishment. You already had your whiny rant thread earlier today, how much Default are going for in 24 hours? Your system will handle FFXIV just fine, you don't need to drop $1500. If anything, a midrange GPU upgrade is all you need. I'll be running it smoothly on high settings with my E8400 and GTX 460, though it would have ran fine on my GTX 260 too, thank you very much.
With out breaking the NDA lets just say my PC dosent run fine. Unless there is something wrong with my PC that I dont know about, then I need a upgrade. On the benchmark I got 3245 on high and 4445 on low. Sure it will run low but but the differencce between low and high is night and day.

Edit: 1080p is smooth as silk now it was a stupid setting on my PC, I cant really say with out breaking the NDA!

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 4:24am by TheBSTGuy
#15 Jul 23 2010 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
*****
11,539 posts
Honestly, I think that in the case of XIV, rebuilding is the cheaper solution. You can save money on the case, HD, OS, DVD that you already have. Replacing CPU/MB/GPU/PSU/RAM is cheaper than the cost to buy a retail PC of equivalent spec, assuming you are trying to end up with a system that will run XIV on medium or better.
____________________________
[ffxisig]55836[/ffxisig]

Mikhalia: and FWIW, my posts are 95% helpful, informative, or funny.
Mikhalia: only 5% or less of my posts are utter crap.
Tyapex: 393 posts of utter crap...
Mikhalia: Sounds about right.
#16 Jul 23 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
***
3,811 posts
I'll buy a new GPU sometime before Sep. 22nd and that will probably be it. I don't plan on doing any serious upgrades until next winter. That said I'll probably upgrade to at least a 5870.

TheBSTGuy wrote:
With out breaking the NDA lets just say my PC dosent run fine. Unless there is something wrong with my PC that I dont know about, then I need a upgrade. On the benchmark I got 3245 on high and 4445 on low. Sure it will run low but but the differencce between low and high is night and day.


I'm sorry, but for most people that are playing on your average 17"-24" PC monitor's the difference won't be night and day. Although more and more people are using there HDTV's(me included) as there main monitors, most people don't. For those people that can't afford, don't have the room, or simply have no interest using their HDTV 720p is more than high enough.

1080p only starts to really shine on 40+ inch HD sets and more so when the viewing distance is more than a just a couple feet. Granted this is just my opinion, but I feel like a misconception has been created over the "high" & "low" settings of the benchmark. I have been seeing a lot of people complaining about having to settle playing the game on "low" when the "low" setting is still 720p! ****, I'm willing to bet a lot of people will be playing at resolutions lower than 720p (as long as the game offers the choice).

Smiley: twocents
____________________________

Quote:
The Path to **** is paved with good intentions.
#17 Jul 23 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,457 posts
Quote:
I got 3245 on high and 4445 on low.


That's pretty good and correct for the machine you listed. A new video card would put you @ a point where the game will run much better. If not, you'll be able to play on 720p very easily. I wouldn't worry about it too much BST. The hefty requirements will pay off in the long run.
____________________________
Hunter Avril
Rogue Ultra
Paladin Awhellnah
Mage Shantotto
Shaman Lakshmi
Faith (Valefor)

#18 Jul 23 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
**
339 posts
I definately have to start from scratch and get a new PC.

The one I have is about 6 years old. It was great when I got it. Pentium 4 3.2GHz and a Radeon X850XT i think. It was a retail Dell Dimension 8400.

When I first got it it made FFXI a whole new experience compared to my old PC. But it won't even run the FFXIV benchmark. ;)

After many weeks of reading these forums I have decided to build my own new PC.
My first plan was an i5 750 and an ATI 5830 on a Asus P7P55D board. But after reading the new recommended specs I'm going to go for a higher build.

I figured if I'm going to splash out on a new PC I may as well get something that will last the course.

So my new build will be an i7 930, GTX 470 with an Asus P6T SE board, 6gb RAM as its triple channel.

I don't know much about PC's but I think that will keep me in good stead. I'm holding off buying the stuff until September incase anything changes and maybe the prices will drop a bit.


#19 Jul 23 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
***
2,120 posts
scotchio wrote:

I figured if I'm going to splash out on a new PC I may as well get something that will last the course.


Sounds familiar, tis a slippery slope though. Between cyberpowerpc & newegg, etc. I'm spending ridiculous amounts of time mixing & matching parts lately. Usually with a i7 920/930 or the 1055t/1090t. Then those "might as well go big" thoughts take over and it's like "Well if I'm getting that...I should upgrade this, this, & this as well" It's really good I've maintained enough control to not complete some of these purchases thus far...
#20 Jul 23 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
20 posts
Upgrade. Always cheaper. ****, It would be cheaper to build one from scratch than buy a new complete PC.
#21 Jul 23 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
**
749 posts
Quote:
Upgrade. Always cheaper. ****, It would be cheaper to build one from scratch than buy a new complete PC.


If not for the windows "Tax"

I'm personally building one from the ground up for FFXIV. I figure.. I did it for XI, why not? :D

And it will go in the same Lian Li PC7 case I've had for 7 years, and I shall call it "Lucy"


3.

^^
____________________________
http://www.rantmedia.ca/newsreal/
http://www.piratepartyradio.com


The Truth is a virus
#22 Jul 24 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
*
155 posts
I've seen a few people meeting the GTX 470 now and must advise that you look at some more research as they really messed up on their old 400 series (the GTX 460 however is them finally getting it right). Higher model does not always mean best vfm.

I don't mean to turn this into a recommendation thread either but if you can get an i7 920 cheaper than an i7 930 (by a fair amount) and aren't looking to overclock it beyond 3.5ghz or so then the i7 920 is better vfm imho.

On a last note, if you're looking to build yourself, don't skimp on the PSU quality. An 800w is not the same as a decent 800w by any means. (Or whatever wattage you choose.)
#23 Jul 24 2010 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
*
209 posts
Just want to let everyone know that it was a setting on my PC causing me not to be able to run 1080p. I cant really say for what with out breaking the NDA, But lets just say 1080p is smooth as silk now. I still am going to add another 4gb of ram though. Thats the only upgrade I am going to do until I build a new PC in 2 years!
#24 Jul 24 2010 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
*
209 posts
Quote:
1080p only starts to really shine on 40+ inch HD sets and more so when the viewing distance is more than a just a couple feet


Yes I will give you that but, I can tell a difference on my monitor between 720p and 1080p so much so that its anoying. IDK if its because my monitors native resoulition is 1080p, but 720p looks blurry.
#25 Jul 24 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
**
576 posts
I usually upgrade CPU/Mobo/RAM at the same time, and GPU/Drives/PSU incrementally as needed (or on sale :-p).

This time I decided to upgrade the CPU from a E7200@3.0 to a Q9400@3.2 so that I can get a little more life out of my motherboard and 4GB of DDR2.

I'm waiting till later this year when AMD releases their new lineup to buy a GPU. I'll probably buy from this generation (likely a 460 or a 5850), but I'm going to wait for a bit of a price drop. This gen's cards have held their value too long; I feel bad paying the same or higher for one as people who bought at launch 9 or more months ago (I'm looking at you, AMD).

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 5:00pm by Pickins
____________________________
FFXI, Siren: Pickins BST99.:~:.BLM75.:~:.RDM56
FFXIV, Siren: Miss Pickins - Builder of the Realm
#26 Jul 24 2010 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
Edited by bsphil
******
21,739 posts
Been meaning to get a laptop anyway, so I suppose technically buy a new PC.
____________________________
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#27 Jul 24 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
39 posts
if anybody cares some guys at ffxivcore has a thread going for a rock bottom build that should score 2500 for about 300$
and another build for 400 that would score 3300 or so.

both these builds do require some reusing of old pc parts like disk drive, hdd, monitor etc..
____________________________
You say this ferry goes to a place called Eorzea?
Heh... I suppose this is destiny...

MNK75 SAM75 NIN75 BLU60 THF54 RDM40 WAR40

Tienshinhan of the Ragnarok server.
RETIRED
#28 Jul 24 2010 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
**
415 posts
I already have a core i7 920 with a gtx 260 but was thinking of upgrading to the new 460s. Anyone know if this game will support direct X 11?
____________________________
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3571 - Mind Control Theories Used By Mass Media
#29 Jul 24 2010 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
*
89 posts
I went this route and with the GTX 260 going for 137.99 at bestbuy I might get one more. 3x GTX 260 FTW!!

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366
OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3F1600LV6GK
ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
2x GTX 260
RocketfishTM - 900-Watt ATX CPU Power Supply


Oc CPU to about 3.9 shows as 4.1 on benchmark? O_o
Oc both GTX's to about Core:665 Shader:1460 Memory:1160
#30 Jul 24 2010 at 10:02 PM Rating: Good
Anterograde Amnesia
Avatar
*****
12,363 posts
Cazon wrote:
I went this route and with the GTX 260 going for 137.99 at bestbuy I might get one more. 3x GTX 260 FTW!!

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366
OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3F1600LV6GK
ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
2x GTX 260
RocketfishTM - 900-Watt ATX CPU Power Supply


Oc CPU to about 3.9 shows as 4.1 on benchmark? O_o
Oc both GTX's to about Core:665 Shader:1460 Memory:1160


Are you running with SLI on? Renamed .exe to Crysis.exe?
____________________________
"Choosy MMO's choose Wint." - Louiscool
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
Keyser Soze - Ultros
Guide to Setting Up Mumble on a Raspberry Pi
#31 Jul 24 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
*
89 posts
Wint wrote:
Are you running with SLI on? Renamed .exe to Crysis.exe?


yup, score about 5194 on high and about 6000 something in low
also how come both your GTX 260's show on benchmark only one shows on mine?
lol let me find out I'm only benchmarking with one.


Edited, Jul 25th 2010 12:16am by Cazon
#32 Jul 24 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Excellent
Anterograde Amnesia
Avatar
*****
12,363 posts
Make sure you rename the right .exe, and make sure (if you've updated drivers recently) that SLI is enabled.

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 11:37pm by Wint
____________________________
"Choosy MMO's choose Wint." - Louiscool
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
Keyser Soze - Ultros
Guide to Setting Up Mumble on a Raspberry Pi
This forum is read only
This Forum is Read Only!
Recent Visitors: 14 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (14)