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#1 Jul 24 2010 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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My current set up is: Nothing overclocked.

AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 Toledo 2.6GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual-Core Processor ADAFX60CDBOX

EVGA 512-P2-N575-AX GeForce 7900GTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Support Video Card (X2 in SLI)

ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI X16 ATX AMD Motherboard

CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model Twinx2048-3200c2 (2 G total)

OS: Windows XP SP2 (SP3 crashes my Computer!)

When I run the benchmark, all I can see is the FF logo and the score box, the picture is black and all I have is sound. As the score goes up, the numbers just write over themselves so it looks like 4 eggs instead of numbers. When the final score posts, I get a picture. I scored 1100. I just want to play the game properly.

I oredered this stuff today thinking it would help. Kinda on a small budget.

Windows 7 Pro (got it for $30 through work, im military)

EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (two of them for SLI)

G.SKILL Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F1-3200PHU2-2GBZX (I hope this works with my CORSAIR memory for a total of 4 G)

Can anyone tell me if this will help? I think I meet all the requirements. Any suggestions on better hardware would be appreciated. Thanks.

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 9:37pm by uncutbulldog

#2 Jul 24 2010 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm. I think you may want to get a slighty better graphics card then the ones you purchased. You should be able to play the game on low no problem with those cards but they are pretty outdated to be purchasing at this time in their life. If you don't mind playing on low and don't mind possibly having to buy a new card in the near future then this choice is fine. Also, if you have 64 bit windows 7 you should definitly get another gig of ram. I believe windows 7 64 bit minimum ram requirements is like 3.2 gigs? I also believe having 3+ gigs of ram is just better period wether you have 64 bit version or not.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Didn't see the part about the Ram on the video cards. Not sure if the video cards will help out or not. Someone else can probably confirm.

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 9:52pm by vett32
#3 Jul 24 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I just cancelled my order on NewEgg until I get more opinions. What if I bought just 1

ASUS ENGTX465/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

instead of the 2 GeForce 9800 GTX in SLI?

#4 Jul 24 2010 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't have any exact details to back me up, but I'm almost postive that one 465gtx (especially fermi) will be wayyyy better than two 9800's.
#5 Jul 24 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
Here's something that Kaolian posted regarding 2 9800s:

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The Geforce 470 gtx is an entirely new graphics engine, based around the "Fermi" core. it uses a completely different rendering model than all previous graphics cards, and one that very few games currently fully support. FFXIV itself reportedly has issues with the 460 and 470 at the moment. Chances are those will be resolved prior to any retail release. but you might want to wait until launch to choose a new card.

Running 2 9800 GTX+'s is a cost effective solution, if you have the power supply to support it. It will be slightly slower than the maximum theoretical performance of a 470 on games that fully utilize the fermi engine, but at a fraction of the cost, which you could put towards other hardware, etc. Monitor size also dictates which way you go. IF you have a small monitor, don't bother with SLI or a 470 GTX.

I currently run dual EVGA 280 GTX SSD's (the 280 GTX with the core of the 285 gtx but the slower ram of the 280 basically) It works well.
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#6 Jul 24 2010 at 10:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Currently the 465's are actually worse than the 1 GB 460's. I would opt for an overclocked 460 (the Pallit Sonic platinum got good reviews) and it's shorter dimension wise which will help with fitting it into your PC. You also need to look at power requirements if you're considering running an SLI setup. I'd look at swapping out your processor/mobo/memory because DDR3 is now available and you're still running the first incarnation of DDR?

Essentially what I am looking at doing is this.

Phenom II X4 (3.2 or 3.4) ($159~179)
4 GB of DDR3 1600 ($90)
460 1 GB ($249) or ATI 5870 ($370)
Mobo ($70~150)
650+W Single Rail PS ($75~135)
Windows 7 Pro

Assuming you have the rest of the stuff as I do, that setup should be a fairly solid $900ish system.
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#7 Jul 24 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Decent
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To the OP:

Your processor will still be a bottleneck and your motherboard won't support any significantly higher chips (AM2+ or AM3). Not to mention you're capped out at 4gb of ram.

Here's what I'd do: *newegg*

MSI GF615M-P33 AM3 NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE Micro ATX AMD Motherboard 54

AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDX945WFGMBOX 140 (maybe a cheaper dual core or x3 core)

A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH 100

EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 200
$494 but you might need a new power supply:

SILVERSTONE OP650 650W ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply 80
Total is a little over $600. Essentially if you spend $252 more dollars you get an infinitely better system.

It will play the game smoothly on low-med settings I'm sure.

Plus it is still upgradeable.

#8 Jul 25 2010 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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I would simply wait and see how the game is after a few months. Most don't give enough credit to drivers and your system. Sit back and relax and wait a few months after the release. This will both tell you if you want to continue playing the game, and if your rig will handle the game. If you upgrade your hardware, some of the time, the upgrade will be insignificant. Notice how nvidia and ati video cards have been pretty much the same for nearly 2 years. If you buy something that brings you up from a 8x series, to a 9x series for nvidia, then you probably just wasted cash.
#9 Jul 25 2010 at 2:25 AM Rating: Default
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Good advice but hard to listen to because most people want to be up and running right out if the gate. If it were any other game I think people would be able to wait, however 2 months to go things have hit fever pitch around here.

As for the advice, please listen to people who know rather than throw out random numbers.

If you are going to upgrade now rather than wait then consider the suggestion by kierk as long as it isn't too over your budget - it is a better long term solution to replace the trinity at this point in time at the very least.

The 98000gtx is still a beast of a card but there are more vfm ones out now. The GTX 460 is great vfm and also has DX11 support.

W7 64bit does not 'need' 3gb +. This includes GPU memory as well, so if you have 4gb of RAM and a 1gb GPU, in 32bit it will not be able to use the full 4gb of RAM. With 64bit it will be fine.

Do you need more than 4gb?
Not really right now unless you use certain programs that will use it (common example being monster size images in PhotoShop, and I mean monster).
In future this may change - it depends on your budget now whether to get more, but it will not make ffxiv run any faster (well... unless you're doing PhotoShop work at the same time :p)

Solid PSU is a must, although you should have a fairly meaty one since 9800 GTXs weren't shy on power requirements. The GTX 460 in comparison is much more efficient.

Edit: if you go for a GTX 460 go for the 1gb version, it's not just a memory increase.

Edited, Jul 25th 2010 4:32am by Kreisash
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