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#52 Jul 26 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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SickleSageKiroh wrote:
Yeah actually no though, nature does not determine what people define as attractive or beautiful. This is something determined almost entirely on your upbringing. If you go to pretty much any other country in the world, the reason a man finds someone attractive will be different depending on the country. Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder in this case. The fact that you like looking at a woman's *** has less to do with nature and speaks more to where and how you were raised.


Nope.

Actually among the human population certain traits ARE found to be universally "beautiful."

1) Clear skin and eyes
2) Symmetry of features
3) Ratio of waist to hips and waist to chest. In women this will typically be about a 70% ratio of waist to hips and about a 75% ratio of waist to bust (indicating full sexual maturity). This is the true reason a **** looks good-- contrast compared to waist.

There are many physical characteristics beauty that are purely societal, but these are not.

P.S.-- It doesn't matter any way. Whether the imperative is social or biological, there's nothing "creepy" about being attracted to women.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 10:23pm by KarlHungis

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#53 Jul 26 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default
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KarlHungis wrote:
P.S.-- It doesn't matter any way. Whether the imperative is social or biological, there's nothing "creepy" about being attracted to women.
There's nothing more womanly about rendered polygons than a pair of rocks that look vaguely like boobs.
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#54 Jul 26 2010 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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P.S.-- It doesn't matter any way. Whether the imperative is social or biological, there's nothing "creepy" about being attracted to women.


It is open to opinion when said women are video game characters and not living, breathing people.

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So you agree that it is creepy. That was my original point.

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Never said I thought it was creepy; just confirmed that you did.

And what was your secondary point? :v

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I was a male character in FFXI. I was really looking forward to the male miqo-te. Doubt it's going to happen. Soooo I'm just going to be a miqo-te and pretend that it is male with nice chest that I would like to /poke all night that enjoys wearing **** huggers as a protest

...Guess the only way around it is to pull a Bridget. /: **** you SE for giving us the stereotypical buff giant as a gender exclusive.
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#56 Jul 26 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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I understand that some men will find a female character more visually appealing for whatever reason. What bothers me is that many of them use the argument that they would rather stare at a girls *** while playing for X amount of hours. That pretty much falls along the lines of telling someone they are "***" for having a male over a female, and to me that's pretty juvenile. I will reiterate that this is a video game and the character you chose to play as does not reflect your sexual orientation.

What kind of logic is that? Just because some (me included) would rather stare at a female model than a male one doesn't mean that you can juxtapose that personal preference with what you just did. I haven't poured over every sentence in this thread, but I haven't seen anyone say that they think guys who play as guys are *** for it.

I'm likely to play as a Miqo'te; I was a Hume F in XI. I would like to play as a male character, but that would either mean a) they allow me to have the character even remotely resemble me, or b) have me think the guy char looks cool, which (for me) they haven't been able to achieve.


The irony is, usually the men who play female characters are the ones who get hit by the "omg ur ghey cuz u want 2 b a woman" thing.

I say they make all the characters futanari and let the problem work itself out.

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#57 Jul 26 2010 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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KarlHungis wrote:
P.S.-- It doesn't matter any way. Whether the imperative is social or biological, there's nothing "creepy" about being attracted to women.
There's nothing more womanly about rendered polygons than a pair of rocks that look vaguely like boobs.


That statement is logically meaningless. There could be some thing far more womanly about rendered polygons than vaguely shaped rocks, but it would depend a lot on the composition of the rocks and the polygons.

And even rocks can be be a stunning representation of the human form and provoke an emotional reaction. Hence, a little thing called 'sculpture.'

Your apparent belief that it's some how abnormal to react to iconic or literal representations of things that occur in nature simply doesn't match the reality of the human psyche. Take a few psych courses, read up a bit on the way that the human brain processes visual information about living beings, and then rejoin the conversation.
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Of course it's not creepy to be attracted to women. When I said "It makes me question their agenda" I was hinting more towards #2 in igloo's post. Guys pretending to be chicks for free items & such. Or getting a bit carried away with their roleplaying. That's simply my opinion on the subject and those are the potential "creepy" types I was thinking of. Then it becomes a "Well you must like staring at a guy's ****" kinda thing and that's just silly.

Interesting that it becomes a sexual ***/straight conversation with very little mention of simply picking mithra for the dexterity bonus...

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 10:52pm by TwistedOwl
#59 Jul 26 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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KarlHungis wrote:
SickleSageKiroh wrote:
Yeah actually no though, nature does not determine what people define as attractive or beautiful. This is something determined almost entirely on your upbringing. If you go to pretty much any other country in the world, the reason a man finds someone attractive will be different depending on the country. Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder in this case. The fact that you like looking at a woman's *** has less to do with nature and speaks more to where and how you were raised.


Nope.

Actually among the human population certain traits ARE found to be universally "beautiful."

1) Clear skin and eyes
2) Symmetry of features
3) Ratio of waist to hips and waist to chest. In women this will typically be about a 70% ratio of waist to hips and about a 75% ratio of waist to bust (indicating full sexual maturity). This is the true reason a **** looks good-- contrast compared to waist.

There are many physical characteristics beauty that are purely societal, but these are not.

P.S.-- It doesn't matter any way. Whether the imperative is social or biological, there's nothing "creepy" about being attracted to women.


Contrast: Mauritania. Parents (typically the mother) force feed their daughters to fatten them up because overweight women are seen as more beautiful. In fact, through history, many cultures have found heavier women (and men) to be more attractive; girth indicated wealth and wealth was obviously someone you wanted to marry. The kinds of anorexic models you see nowadays who could practically play the xylophones on their ribcages would be shunned; no one would even THINK of dating them, lest they be seen in public with someone who looks poor, and can't afford food.

I won't dispute that "normal" bodyframes have been touted over the years in some western cultures (Venus De Milo, David, etc) but different people do in fact find different things attractive.

These things are partially affected by society, but they're also hardwired into our brains. My fiancee (who happens to be bi) and myself have even had discussions over "Why are boobs attractive?" Like, both of us AGREE that we find a nice pair of ******* to be attractive, but cannot understand WHY. Strictly speaking, they're just lumps of fat with a nipple protruding out of them. What it is about ******* specifically that makes them more attractive than love handles, which are also lumps of fat? And why is it that "back boobs" (for lack of a better term) are unattractive? Neither of us can explain -why- we think something is attractive. We just do.
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KarlHungis wrote:
Lady Bardalicious wrote:
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P.S.-- It doesn't matter any way. Whether the imperative is social or biological, there's nothing "creepy" about being attracted to women.
There's nothing more womanly about rendered polygons than a pair of rocks that look vaguely like boobs.


That statement is logically meaningless. There could be some thing far more womanly about rendered polygons than vaguely shaped rocks, but it would depend a lot on the composition of the rocks and the polygons.

And even rocks can be be a stunning representation of the human form and provoke an emotional reaction. Hence, a little thing called 'sculpture.'

Your apparent belief that it's some how abnormal to react to iconic or literal representations of things that occur in nature simply doesn't match the reality of the human psyche. Take a few psych courses, read up a bit on the way that the human brain processes visual information about living beings, and then rejoin the conversation.


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#61 Jul 26 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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I remember watching a comedian do a bit about why ******* are so attractive. The nipple is like a hypnotic bullseye and once you fall under that spell it's hard to turn away.
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*sigh* every conversation about character gender degrades into an argument about sexuality, it never fails. Despite what many of you seem to believe the fact that men play female characters does not mean that they're "ghey" or trying to extort money from desperate fanbois. Nor does it mean all they do is stare at a pixelated *** all day. There are some people who do play for one of those reasons, but they truth is it doesn't even matter. The fact that someone playing a female character rendered in polygons in an world of pixels has nothing to do with their (or your) sexuality. Get over this stupid crap and back to the point of the main post. Please stop locking in on one freaking statement the op made about staring at a females *** and just answer his question. If you don't have an answer and only want to rant about the gays that are out to get you then find another thread or start your own so the mods can lock your thread for stupidity rather than someone else's.
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#63 Jul 26 2010 at 9:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mikhalia wrote:


Contrast: Mauritania. Parents (typically the mother) force feed their daughters to fatten them up because overweight women are seen as more beautiful. In fact, through history, many cultures have found heavier women (and men) to be more attractive; girth indicated wealth and wealth was obviously someone you wanted to marry. The kinds of anorexic models you see nowadays who could practically play the xylophones on their ribcages would be shunned; no one would even THINK of dating them, lest they be seen in public with someone who looks poor, and can't afford food.


Hence why I didn't talk about Body Mass Index, height, or weight, which are indeed tied to social norms rather than universal standards of beauty. What you would find, even among the people of Mauritania is that the same ratios of waist/hip/bust would still apply to the standard of ideal beauty. The perfect "western" woman might be more narrow all around, and the perfect Mauritanian woman might be an exaggerated hourglass, but the key ratios would remain about the same in both cases.
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So, is the main argument here that men who roll female avatars are (ironically?) "ghey" or that pixelated ******* should not be a source of arousal because they resemble human body fat / rocks?

This is one **** of a forum.
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That's right, we need not your "logic" or "maturity" this isn't the real world!

THIS

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ALLA!!!!!!

(well actually this is ZAM now...)
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#66 Jul 26 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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KarlHungis wrote:
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Contrast: Mauritania. Parents (typically the mother) force feed their daughters to fatten them up because overweight women are seen as more beautiful. In fact, through history, many cultures have found heavier women (and men) to be more attractive; girth indicated wealth and wealth was obviously someone you wanted to marry. The kinds of anorexic models you see nowadays who could practically play the xylophones on their ribcages would be shunned; no one would even THINK of dating them, lest they be seen in public with someone who looks poor, and can't afford food.


Hence why I didn't talk about Body Mass Index, height, or weight, which are indeed tied to social norms rather than universal standards of beauty. What you would find, even among the people of Mauritania is that the same ratios of waist/hip/bust would still apply to the standard of ideal beauty. The perfect "western" woman might be more narrow all around, and the perfect Mauritanian woman might be an exaggerated hourglass, but the key ratios would remain about the same in both cases.


I don't see how a thin person and a heavier person could have the same ratios. Usually the waist is the first place your body sends its weight. I agree with the stuff about skin complexion and symmetry but body ratios typically favor slender women over overweight ones.

Could you provide a picture of an overweight (200+) woman that has the same proportions so I can see what you mean?

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So, is the main argument here that men who roll female avatars are (ironically?) "ghey" or that pixelated ******* should not be a source of arousal because they resemble human body fat / rocks?

This is one **** of a forum.


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I don't see how a thin person and a heavier person could have the same ratios. Usually the waist is the first place your body sends its weight. I agree with the stuff about skin complexion and symmetry but body ratios typically favor slender women over overweight ones.

Could you provide a picture of an overweight (200+) woman that has the same proportions so I can see what you mean?


Anna Nicole Smith (especially after the death of her husband) would be a general approximation. I can't provide any particular example pictures because generally don't find heavy set women to be attractive so I wouldn't keep such pictures around.
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I found this; I guess I kinda see what you mean, but the distribution is distributed differently, the hourglass figure shifts upward as the weight spreads into the hips.

But like I said, I guess I kinda follow what you mean.
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I'll admit, the first time I was told a fellow Mithra, (myself being female) on FFXI was a male, my reply was, "What? But you've got boobs!" After that, I found that scenario was pretty much the norm.

Personally, it doesn't matter which character a person picks. It's your account, your monthly fee, and your preference. What I didn't like, (and I saw alot of this), was some guy Mithra pretending to be females so they could take advantage of other male players. I saw quite a few unsuspecting players spend alot their hard earned gil on their supposed female friends, only to be told later that they were really guys. It's a sad thing to see. I truly hope I won't see as much of this going on in FFXIV. I hope that those of you who do choose to play a female character will play them with integrity.

Just my two gil worth.



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I'll admit, the first time I was told a fellow Mithra, (myself being female) on FFXI was a male, my reply was, "What? But you've got boobs!" After that, I found that scenario was pretty much the norm.

Personally, it doesn't matter which character a person pics. It's your account, you're monthly fee, and your preference. What I didn't like, (and I saw alot of this), was some guy Mithra pretending to be females so they could take advantage of other male players. I saw quite a few unsuspecting players spend alot their hard earned gil on their supposed female friends, only to be told later that they were really guys. It's a sad thing to see. I truly hope I won't see as much of this going on in FFXIV. I hope that those of you who do choose to play a female character will play them with integrity.

Just my two gil worth.



Maybe guys should stop trying to pick up chicks on MMO's.
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I'll admit, the first time I was told a fellow Mithra, (myself being female) on FFXI was a male, my reply was, "What? But you've got boobs!" After that, I found that scenario was pretty much the norm.

Personally, it doesn't matter which character a person pics. It's your account, you're monthly fee, and your preference. What I didn't like, (and I saw alot of this), was some guy Mithra pretending to be females so they could take advantage of other male players. I saw quite a few unsuspecting players spend alot their hard earned gil on their supposed female friends, only to be told later that they were really guys. It's a sad thing to see. I truly hope I won't see as much of this going on in FFXIV. I hope that those of you who do choose to play a female character will play them with integrity.

Just my two gil worth.



Maybe guys should stop trying to pick up chicks on MMO's.


Good luck with that. Not only will they try to pick up chicks, they'll pay for them too.
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Mikhalia wrote:
Alkerr wrote:
Lorielll wrote:
I'll admit, the first time I was told a fellow Mithra, (myself being female) on FFXI was a male, my reply was, "What? But you've got boobs!" After that, I found that scenario was pretty much the norm.

Personally, it doesn't matter which character a person pics. It's your account, you're monthly fee, and your preference. What I didn't like, (and I saw alot of this), was some guy Mithra pretending to be females so they could take advantage of other male players. I saw quite a few unsuspecting players spend alot their hard earned gil on their supposed female friends, only to be told later that they were really guys. It's a sad thing to see. I truly hope I won't see as much of this going on in FFXIV. I hope that those of you who do choose to play a female character will play them with integrity.

Just my two gil worth.



Maybe guys should stop trying to pick up chicks on MMO's.


Good luck with that. Not only will they try to pick up chicks, they'll pay for them too.


If I was a chick I would be a playdate for money. If that makes me a *****, then so be it!
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Alkerr wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
Alkerr wrote:
Lorielll wrote:
I'll admit, the first time I was told a fellow Mithra, (myself being female) on FFXI was a male, my reply was, "What? But you've got boobs!" After that, I found that scenario was pretty much the norm.

Personally, it doesn't matter which character a person pics. It's your account, you're monthly fee, and your preference. What I didn't like, (and I saw alot of this), was some guy Mithra pretending to be females so they could take advantage of other male players. I saw quite a few unsuspecting players spend alot their hard earned gil on their supposed female friends, only to be told later that they were really guys. It's a sad thing to see. I truly hope I won't see as much of this going on in FFXIV. I hope that those of you who do choose to play a female character will play them with integrity.

Just my two gil worth.



Maybe guys should stop trying to pick up chicks on MMO's.


Good luck with that. Not only will they try to pick up chicks, they'll pay for them too.


If I was a chick I would be a playdate for money. If that makes me a *****, then so be it!


Ditto. It's not even like there's any actual touching or danger involved; it's just flirting with some dude online for money. If people are willing to flirt online for virtual goods, why not flirt for real money, I say.
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I'd say just make whatever tickles your fancy. Most games I make a male character as my main with a female as a secondary. This time around I don't know which I'll be going for. In FFXI my main is a male but I'm also or at least was, a RPer. I really want to go with Miqo'te because I'm a cat fan, simple as that really. I'll have to see how robust the character creation is. If it's as good as I think then it'll probably be like as always where I make a male character for my main and a female as my secondary.
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I think the only thing that really scratches at me as hypocritical is people who play female characters in games, but refuse to engage in romance storylines with male NPCs.



I roleplay a *******. Got a prob? :P
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I think the only thing that really scratches at me as hypocritical is people who play female characters in games, but refuse to engage in romance storylines with male NPCs.



I roleplay a *******. Got a prob? :P


heheh i did that in Dragon age, also playes as straight feamle straight male and *** male too. Its a game only not reality. Unfortunatly some people tend to confuse the 2
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I was a Hume Male in FFXI, but really want to play the Mithra (equivalent of) in FFXIV. I find their race specific stats fit my prefered roles best, like agi and the added MP boost if I play caster,
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Threx wrote:
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I think the only thing that really scratches at me as hypocritical is people who play female characters in games, but refuse to engage in romance storylines with male NPCs.



I roleplay a *******. Got a prob? :P


There's nothing wrong with that; I was more referring to people who play a female character and will ONLY have in game relationships with OTHER female characters, REFUSING to do relationship storylines with male characters (on their female character) because "that's ***".

The hypocrisy of the statement is just deafening.
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Mikhalia wrote:
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I think the only thing that really scratches at me as hypocritical is people who play female characters in games, but refuse to engage in romance storylines with male NPCs.



I roleplay a *******. Got a prob? :P


There's nothing wrong with that; I was more referring to people who play a female character and will ONLY have in game relationships with OTHER female characters, REFUSING to do relationship storylines with male characters (on their female character) because "that's ***".

The hypocrisy of the statement is just deafening.


Ah, that's good ole fashion bred in homophobia for you, it never makes much sense but no one really does anything about it.
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To the OP, in the end make whatever you want, but I really appreciate people sticking to their genders so I know, say, that a Mithra is actually a girl, so I can converse appropriately (e.g., there must be at least one FFXI couple that met online, and the dude character unknowingly married another dude). I get the whole not wanting to stare at a male's *** thing, but the idea was likely for it to be you in the game. You get to create a nameless avatar because it's an avatar — it helps with immersion. If you want to immerse yourself in the game as a girl go ahead, but it creates weird implications.
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SO the OP's original point was that he had a fully leveled, accomplished, and situated female character from FXI, but didn't feel a strong attachment to her because they did not share gender.

Should he start all over, effectively having to remake himself for the chance to feel more immersed? He would have to give up a lot of the past, so will it be worth it?

I feel it will be, FFXIV looks to be VERY community-centric. And it will be a whole new experience for you to try and really have your character be an expression of yourself.

I'm not sure what I'll play, for me the aesthetics VS. connection argument means Lalafell vs Hume... I LOVE looking at the Lalafells, the fact that they are smaller only makes them look more resourceful and industrious to me, but they wouldn't be as much an extension of myself as easily if I made a Hyur...
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Lorielll wrote:
...What I didn't like, (and I saw alot of this), was some guy Mithra pretending to be females so they could take advantage of other male players. I saw quite a few unsuspecting players spend alot their hard earned gil on their supposed female friends, only to be told later that they were really guys. It's a sad thing to see...


I feel people shouldn't try to take their expectations from the game into real life, It can be dangerous from a childhood stalking possibility in the worst case, and otherwise, it's likely disappointing.

If some nice guys want to give me gifts I hope they have the same expectations that I do, that I'm just playing a role playing game and all relationships stay with our characters in the game. I've had online admirers and in-game "boyfriends" before despite being married, especially in games where marriage is a benefit. But we both know there are no real-life expectations. If I ever found out one of them was lying about being another chick, I would hold the lying against them, because I'd think less of them for being the type that feels they need to lie and deceive to get what they want, but if they always said they never wanted to tell me, I wouldn't hold their secrecy against them as it's not important what they are.
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Hahaha wow! Who really cares? I'm sure some of the people saying "ewww being sexually attracted to an avatar is horid!" are the same people that have 'probably' rubbed one off to an anime (hentia?). Don't lie, this would probably be a pretty good client base.

Anyways back to my first point about who really cares. Has anyone else noticed that the most of the FF males have very feminine characteristics? Could be just me. Oh I guess this means I want someone to shove something, somewhere. Ya know the place I deficate from.
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I think the only thing that annoys me are people who play avatars of the opposite gender, and when you refer to them as "him" or "her", they get all ***** and indignant; "EXCUSE ME, I'm a -HE-, not a -SHE- (or vice versa)!"

If you play a character of the opposite gender, you forfeit the right to whine if someone calls you by your character's gender, unless they specifically ask. I played a female Elvaan for over half a decade; I'll tell people I'm a guy if they ask, but if I get called "her" or "she", I don't care.
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#87 Jul 29 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it's creepy that people sexualize polygons.


Why? It's essentially no different from deriving sexual pleasure through art, which mankind has done for generations. :v


I don't know if that's what the OP was getting at, per se, but the function of avatars in MMORPGs without nudity at any point is not intended to be sexually gratifying. There's is a difference between being **** and employing ****. Final Fantasy characters are usually designed to the former, not the latter.

I think it is aggravating that he keeps on saying "I don't wanna stare at a dude." Does it really matter? You see thousands of men throughout the course of your life. What's one more... a fake one at that!
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My girlfriend would have to agree w/ this as she wants to make a male character for 14 aswelel. And for the same reasons, she'd rather stare at a guy all day then a female. Me on the other hand, seeing how I'm a guy I'm going to make a guy. I mean I use female characters on other games but not something I'm more then likely going to spend years customizing to my liking.
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To the OP, PLEASE play the character that you want to play most.

I can understand wanting to get a little validation for your choice. I can understand the guys that prefer female avatars, a great deal of reasons why they do have been posted here. You said yourself that you are not trying to fool anyone, which is the part that seems a little shady to me.

I hope you won't let a handful of naysayers change what you decide to do. I think the majority of MMO gamers have come to terms with this long ago.
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Some of the RSE in FFXI was significantly cheaper for female than male due to supply vs. demand. Obviously I didn't consider that for a second when I started FFXI, but it will be on my mind for FFXIV.
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Eight years ago I tried out my first MMO, FFXI. Not knowing any better I made a female character. I knew MMOs were time consuming so I thought I would rather stare at a chick, than a dude. About level 45 or so it started to really hit me that I should have made a dude, but I figured I'd get to level 75 finish the missions and be done with FFXI. Then I discovered end-game.

Seven years later, my character has killed most everything on the server, completed a 100 + 3 craft and has completed all but the WoTG missions. Everyone that knows me on the server knows that it's a male controlling the female character. I dont try to hide it, I speak freely in ventrillo with my handle as my characters name. I'm not a role-player and have no strong identification with my character. I like the idea of keeping the female character because I have a lot of friends coming over FFXI and quite frankly I still would rather stare at a chick than a dude. So now being forced to create a new character, I'm at a crossroads with FFXIV coming out.


Being 2010, with over a decade of MMO's behind us, I'm not sure why this post is even necessary. You pay for the game, so you can make your character whatever gender you want. I'd hope at this point players are aware that it's commonplace for irl male players to play female toons. Gender orientation isn't, and never has been, linked to the character you create in a game. Not to mention, the FF series has always followed an extremely androgynous scheme. I'm sure the ratio of heterosexual/homosexual players is the same if you compared their gender characters. But honestly, who cares?

I'd say you have nothing to worry about. But I personally believe you made this post seeking justification for your use of female characters, going as far to say as "I like staring at a girls **** all day." I'd say you might have some soul searching to do, my friend.
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Some people view their characters as an extention, or in game version, of themselves. Alot of people don't though, so its not all that weird to roll a female character as a dude. I don't see it being any different than playing tomb raider, or any other game you play as a female. I went Mithra in 11 because of the stats really benefiting melee classes at lower levels.

I usually make my decision based on aesthetics. I find more often than not, art teams put more effort into making female characters armor more interesting. Then again, I found the mithra combat annimations in 11 were horrible, so if those arent any better, I'm likely gonna roll something else this time around.
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Definitely some interesting topics in this thread, lol.

My 2gil, I generally base my character selection on animations, as those are more important to me than whose "*** I'm staring at". I know it's a dead horse, but I was really looking forward to male miqo, simply because elezen and lala don't appeal to me, so having another male option with the potential for some really cool animations would've been nice. I made a few female characters in the beta, and reeeeeeally like the female hyur that I made..... until I saw her run.

Honestly though, I'll probably end up with a male hyur highlander cause they're all muscley and such.
#94 Aug 29 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I personally want to play a transgender galka and stare at his buttocks all day.


Not that anyone cares but i agree with everything SickleSageKiroh said this person is wise.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 1:23pm by SsXTricKeY
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#95 Aug 29 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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It all comes down to how you view your character.
Some people play the game being their char. Others play the game controlling their char.
I control my char, so i see no real motivation to worry about gender. It isn't me on the screen, so having a female char is nothing but aesthetics.
To all the "Gender issue" remarks;
This is a new era. The whole "Gender confusion" or sexuality choice arguments are invalid. Homosexuals aren't afraid to tell you they are homosexual. They would not hide behind the *** of their char in game.
I am a heterosexual man that sometimes controls a female char in game.
Personally, i don't care what people think of it. People will always know i'm a dude. I don't waste anytime letting people know. Besides, this is the internet. Most of the female char.'s you see are dudes anyway.
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