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#1 Jul 26 2010 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, so first off forgive me. My mags get to me super late. However I didn't see any one mention the little blurb that XIV gets.

My main frustration with the 1/2 page piece (maybe more 1/3rd) is that they try to make it seem like they were avid supporters of XI. IMO all the American rags I read completely stopped covering anything that wasn't WoW, LotR:O, or a mass of F2P crap shortly after so many of them gave XI Gold and Silver awards.

I was thinking about writing in, but I can't exactly defend XIV as I haven't played it yet. I guess I'll just have to hope that the magazines give more coverage tot he game this time.

Why? Good or bad (preferably good) press creates interest. Interest means new subscribers, or at least new blood for 30 days at a time. The more people at the starting zones, the more you have to do when you want to go level something else. Remember the nightmare that was leveling a SJ 3-4 years after XI release before or 6ish months after a new job was released? Granted I played a lot of off peak hours, but still... it kinda sucked some times. I directly blame the lack of press for a part in that.

While they were busy hyping up WoW (which is fine and understandable) along with a bunch of other random 100kish or less subscriber MMOs, they were ignoring a fairly good MMO with a large dedicated and friendly player base. Very few magazines returned to cover XI. IIRC I didn't see anything other than a few side columns for the releases of WotG and later. Yet I was seing pay to play expansions mentioned in 1-2 full page articles.

Ultimately what I'm getting at is that if XIV isn't a stink bomb (which I hope no one here thinks it will be)... if the mags aren't giving it enough coverage, we as players (and consumers) have the power to demand (politely, yet snarkily) coverage. If enough of a playerbase comes off as a subscriber or reader base, they should listen. Maybe we let XI down when it came to paper based magazine coverage? If we had any say in it, and didn't do anything then, let's make sure we speak up this time around.

PS: Betty Crocker chocolate brownies dipped, not soaked, in beer are strangely awesome.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 9:00pm by PerrinofSylph
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#2 Jul 26 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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I've often thought the same thing. Even so far as online blogs like Kotaku and others, who dutifully report any news, but rarely have any features or other press about XI yet do a full exposé on games like WoW.

The brownie thing just sounds plain nasty, I wouldn't ruin a beer that way Smiley: smile

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 4:04pm by Wint
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#3 Jul 26 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the main reason to that is not lack of advertisement, I think power leveling would be the main reason. I used to do power leveling with my friends back then, when the level cap was at 50, when one person's WHM got to 50, that WHM can power level other people to at least level 30, so instead of spending hourS to look for a regular group, we would usually power level each other until everyone in the group gets to a certain level, then we started looking for groups.
#4 Jul 26 2010 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFXI and from what it looks like, FFXIV, is the Pabst Blue Ribbon of MMOs. Virtually no advertising but oddly well known and supported by a core group of fans.

PerrinofSylph wrote:
PS: Betty Crocker chocolate brownies dipped, not soaked, in beer are strangely awesome.
By far the most interesting point in this post.



Edited, Jul 26th 2010 4:53pm by bsphil
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#5 Jul 26 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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You raise a good point that I hadn't thought of until now. I didn't start playing XI until late 05 and that was pretty much by accident. While looking around for some new stuff to play near christmas I stumbled on to it. "An ONLINE Final Fantasy? Holy Sh*t!" I had no idea it existed...

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 6:40pm by TwistedOwl
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FFXI and from what it looks like, FFXIV, is the Pabst Blue Ribbon of MMOs


I <3 PBR and i will likely FFXIV as well.
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My hope is that throughout the first year, 30 million people subscribe for just a month or so, funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to SE, and then most of them quit. Then SE puts that money into the development of the game.
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#8 Jul 26 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's a common media thing. Media sources only report on what's popular because popular gets more viewers, and more viewers means more pageviews/advertising revenue. It's unlikely you'll see sites and magazines report on things like FFXI, Lineage, Everquest, etc, because despite having a strong following, they're not strong enough to sell enough copies to warrant dedicating a lot of space to them.

Turn on a radio station. There's a reason you don't hear Tone Loc on R&B stations or Static X on rock stations... it's because they aren't popular enough.

It's the same reason you don't see as many TV ads for Spencer's, Hot Topic, or Torrid as you do for Old Navy, the Gap, and Target. They aren't popular enough either.

When you provide a product or service that has a dedicated userbase that isn't "everybody", then it's ineffective to advertise to "everybody".

Here's four reasonably popular MMOGs:
EVE Online
Runescape
Guild Wars
Second Life

Now, of any of those four games that you HAVE NOT PLAYED, tell me how often you go looking for articles on them? I'm going to assume the answer is either "never" or "almost never". Why? Because you don't care. You only want to hear about what YOU'RE playing.

And that's where the argument makes sense, to a point: "Why can't they report on X? I like X!" only makes sense if you like X. For everyone that -does not- like X, they don't care about X. They want to hear about Y.

And if everyone is buying/wearing/reading/eating/drinking/playing/watching Y, then Y is what you will hear about, because if EVERYONE is doing Y, then talking about Y is the easiest, cheapest way to get people's attention.
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#9 Jul 27 2010 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
It's a common media thing. Media sources only report on what's popular because popular gets more viewers, and more viewers means more pageviews/advertising revenue.

Here's four reasonably popular MMOGs:
EVE Online
Runescape
Guild Wars
Second Life


Oh I totally get the popular title coverage bit. Thing is that all 4 of the games you mentioned get at least small blurbs every few months. Crap Secondlife makes print newspapers quite regularly. Of the 4 Runsecape would be the least covered, and yet I recall reading a story about it just the other day.

Also I couldn't wait 1.5 months for my August (September) PCG. So I bought it off the newstand. On the new release list, guess what's missing? I will be writing them now.

My biggest problem is that if you're going to have a MMO section in a print magazine, you need to cover the spectrum. Sure give WoW a 1-10 page write up monthly, have all your editors do their personal 1 page editorial about how they picked up groceries in WoW... But save another page or two and divide it up into 1/8s or even 16's (if there's no photos). Anything with more than 100k subscribers should get quarterly mention at the very least. XI never did. I had to scour the internet for WotG write ups. And even then very few people that were actually PLAYING the game were writing anything about it.

It wasn't as much about advertising. I recall XI complete and ultimate package ads, full or dual page in almost every issue of everything on the newstand.

bsphil wrote:
FFXI and from what it looks like, FFXIV, is the Pabst Blue Ribbon of MMOs. Virtually no advertising but oddly well known and supported by a core group of fans.

PerrinofSylph wrote:
PS: Betty Crocker chocolate brownies dipped, not soaked, in beer are strangely awesome.
By far the most interesting point in this post.


Adequate analogy. ^.^

Edited, Jul 27th 2010 5:17pm by PerrinofSylph
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#10 Jul 27 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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I definitely don't disagree that I'd waste my money on a magazine for no other reason than because it had an article on FFXI or FFXIV in it. I'd certainly love to see more reporting on it.
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Zidaga wrote:
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FFXI and from what it looks like, FFXIV, is the Pabst Blue Ribbon of MMOs


I <3 PBR and i will likely FFXIV as well.


and I <3 because of the above.
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Mikhalia wrote:

EVE Online


EVE Online gets coverage all the time.

It also has people scratching their heads wondering what kind of pact with Satan the developers have made to obtain a subscription curve that is the reverse of other MMOs.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 8:07pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#13 Jul 28 2010 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
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Lobivopis wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:

EVE Online


EVE Online gets coverage all the time.

It also has people scratching their heads wondering what kind of pact with Satan the developers have made to obtain a subscription curve that is the reverse of other MMOs.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 8:07pm by Lobivopis


I saw a couple places talking about EVE back when Goonswarm utterly destroyed BoB, but other than that I really never see or hear anything about it.

And I dunno about the subscription curve, but the learning curve.. *******.

http://www.mmocrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/learningcurve.jpg

Accurate graph is accurate.

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 12:30am by Mikhalia
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