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#1 Jul 26 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
Keyboard + Mouse:
If you want a more traditional pc control scheme, Keyboard + Mouse might work best for you.

Pros:
+Similar to other pc game controls, with many keys for macro functions.
+Versatile camera movement with mouse.
Cons:
-Carpel tunnel sufferers beware.
-Mouse control likely not as intuitive as button inputs in this game, particularly because the game is designed with button inputs in mind.
-Arguably not as comfortable for lounging compared to controller+keyboard or solo keyboard.

Keyboard ONLY:

If you want easy access to chat and prefer the tactile feedback of keys, then using a Keyboard by itself might be your choice.

Pros:
+Similar keyboard+mouse macro versatility, but with a numpad (or arrow keys) instead of a mouse.
+More convenient for lounge-gaming; the controller and keyboard are all-in-one, meaning you only need the keyboard on your lap, nothing else.
+Quickest access to chat.
Cons:
-Movement is easy, but you have to decide whether to bind camera controls or menu controls to your default right hand placement (likely numpad or arrows).
-Bulky compared to a controller, and less natural camera-wise than keyboard+mouse.

Controller plus a keyboard for chat:

If you enjoy lounging and more tactile movement+camera+menu controls, using a controller + a keyboard for chatting is a good choice.

Pros:
+Game is designed around button inputs, and controllers do this most comfortably.
+All buttons are within reach, and it's very simple to steer your character while controlling a menu and changing the camera angle on a whim; this cannot exactly be said for the other control schemes.
+Vibration. Not everyone may like it, but it adds to the tactile feedback that gripping a controller gives.
Cons:
-More busy. Not only do you now have 2 wires running to your computer (unless you've got a wireless controller), but going from the controller to the keyboard is a bit fumbly. You can get into the groove of switching back and forth easily, but this is still a busier setup than the others.
-Macro and skills executing requires menu inputs. You scroll over over to the skill or macro you want to use, and then hit the confirm key to use it. This takes some speed out of this control scheme, and adds even more menu-based gameplay to the game.

Controller ONLY

If you want to lounge and not speak to anyone in the gameworld, then toss the keyboard and only use a controller. You can still use Vent, but that's likely only to speak to your linkshell or static party. Most players won't be connected to your vent server, nor should you expect them to.
But yeah, this might be the input method for you!..

Pros:
+Since you've got no keyboard, that means you'll be on your couch obviously. Couches are comfy. While you can be on a couch with all of the other control methods, this one is the cleanest.
Cons:
-Can't chat to most of the people who want to chat with you. You'll have to use the ingame keyboard if you wan't to interact with most of the people in the game.


Edited, Jul 26th 2010 11:21pm by DirectorCobbs
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#2 Jul 26 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Since I'll be playing the game more than watching tv, I'm tempted to hook up the 32" lcd to the computer and using this 20" monitor as a tv. Then hook up a wireless keyboard & controller, sit back in the recliner & enjoy.

If I can't pull that off it'll still be controller/keyboard for sure.

No idea about the polls...

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 11:08pm by TwistedOwl
#3 Jul 26 2010 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
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for Polls think you gotta be premuim to start one.. not sure :P
As for control, well for pc ill use keyboard and mouse, for ps3 when it comes out controler and keyboard.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 11:12pm by Puppy1
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#4 Jul 26 2010 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm using a controller and keyboard for mah pc, not bothering with the PS3 version since I don't have a PS3...
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#5 Jul 26 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Default
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I'm going to go PS3 Controller and Keyboard to see how it feels. If I can't get used to it, then I'll go back to Mouse and Keyboard.
#6 Jul 26 2010 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Keyboard and mouse for mouselook. If mouselook is ****** then just keyboard.
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I've only ever played MMOs with straight keyboard / keyboard + mouse combo (yeah, I know, I'm doing it wrong), but I grew up a console gamer, so it wouldn't be so bad with a controller... I suppose I'll test the waters with each control scheme I figure might feel comfortable for me. I'm really hoping I won't have to use a controller, but if it feels like it fits the game mechanics / UI best... I suppose I can't argue with that. Even if it runs me an extra fifty+ bucks for a PS3 controller. Grumble-grumble...
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#8 Jul 26 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Keyboard and mouse for me. I've heard mouselook is clunky but I'm sure I'll get used to it. The only time I like using wasd to move is if I'm in combat and need to turn faster/avoid clicking mobs by accident. Controller has never appealed to me when PC gaming.
#9 Jul 26 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Decent
I'm actually curious how keyboard-only users manage camera controls + character movement while using menus. Anyone?
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#10 Jul 26 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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The same way one navigates Windows without a mouse. You have a key that brings up the menu, similar to a windows key. You then either navigate by using arrows or typing the first letter of a menu-item. Your binds will be much more critical though, because if you need to access an ability on the fly, it is tougher to multi-task.
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#11 Jul 26 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
Yes it might seem obvious, but it would seem strange to use your right hand to move to a different area on the keyboard (arrows) everytime you use a menu. I'm assuming that'll be the default setup, but i'd like to change mine.

but can you even assign keybinds? are the 1-9 ability keys stuck as being 1-9?
using arrows isn't a problem. I'll probably make the numpad my arrow keys and use the keys around it for the camera and such.
However, there's no word on whether i'll be able to set my own keyboard bindings.

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#12 Jul 27 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Keyboard and mouse probably best for PC users unless there's a distinct advantage on PS3 controller.

Why would someone not use a mouse when it's just next to you thou, it's not like we are playing professional starcraft.
#13 Jul 27 2010 at 1:00 AM Rating: Default
read the cons?
Carpel tunnel, or just hand cramps, from mouse usage when gaming.
Lounging - i dont have a mousepad on my couch arm, do you?
not that intuitive in this game.
can't access macros/abilities using the mouse (unless its got a crapton of buttons over it)

those are some of the reasons people wont want to use a mouse along with their keyboard. i suggest reading the topic :)
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#14 Jul 27 2010 at 1:27 AM Rating: Default
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Keyboard-only user here. Absolutely loved it for FFXI. Moved character with numpad and moved camera with thumb on arrow keys. All right hand. Right hand also opened menus with "-" on numpad and moved up and down menu items, right hand could also toggle auto run and /heal with numpad keys. Left hand controls macros and esc key to exit menus. After you get used to it, it's actually faster than clicking with mouse. It's like those Korean Starcraft players and their bazillion keystrokes per minute. I've heard ffxiv will have similar keyboard controls as ffxi.
#15 Jul 27 2010 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Keyboard and Controller. I've got a PS2-style controller I use for FFXI and will be using in FFXIV. From the look of FFXIV's gameplay it appears to be more action-based instead of the turn-base style FFXI uses. Or at least I think it is...
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#16 Jul 27 2010 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah that sounds good, except I'd like to swap the left and right hands :P I've got a bad right hand, hence my hatred for mouse gaming. wasd movement, camera+macros on numpad (hopefully i can change the 1-9 and put them on the numpad. 1-9 is garbage in every game i play, only 1-4 are reachable).

ps how did you use menus? you mentioned going up and down but didnt say what keys they were
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#17 Jul 27 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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In FFXI: I used keyboard only.
In DDO: I used keyboard + mouse (was more efficient).
In WAR: I used keyboard + mouse (was forced to use the mouse).

I can honestly say that I prefer using only the keyboard if possible.
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#18 Jul 27 2010 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
is it possible to reconfigure the keyboard controls in ffxiv?
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#19 Jul 27 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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In FFXI I only used the keyboard. I'm a number pad fan and found it so much easier than trying to find the right angle/spot for the mouse. In the end though it's all personal preference. Choose your own adventure!
#20 Jul 27 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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DirectorCobbs wrote:
is it possible to reconfigure the keyboard controls in ffxiv?


In FFXI all you had was regular or compact. Not sure what they will do here, but we can hope.
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desmar wrote:
The same way one navigates Windows without a mouse. You have a key that brings up the menu, similar to a windows key. You then either navigate by using arrows or typing the first letter of a menu-item. Your binds will be much more critical though, because if you need to access an ability on the fly, it is tougher to multi-task.


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FFXI's control scheme was admittedly counter-intuitive to me at first but once I got used to it, it felt natural. It was weird not using a mouse (in fact, the running joke to new players was usually a variation of "See your mouse?" "Yeah." "Throw it aside.") Got used to not using it eventually though.
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ps how did you use menus? you mentioned going up and down but didnt say what keys they were


In FFXI, after opening the right hand menu with "-" you move up and down the menu with the arrow keys on numpad. In FFXIV, you can move with WASD, so maybe you can select the menu with those keys too.
#23 Jul 27 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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Keyboard + Mouse for me. I actually liked using a controller + keyboard for FFXI on the 360, but switching between controller and keyboard to talk was a little awkward.
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#24 Jul 27 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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Controller + Keyboard

The dual analog sticks are just too great to pass up. Walk and rotate camera slowly, or fast -the speed of the camera cannot be altered from keyboard input. If the trigger and bumper buttons can be assigned to macros, bonus!

Another reason why the voice chat feature is useful, in an all chat party it's just controller and headset.

If this turns out to be not as useful as I recall (if the function key macros are required for 100% effectiveness), then I'll return to the keybord + mouse look, which worked great for years. Best part is there are options for everyone to use their preferred method. Can't be wrong about what you like best.
#25 Jul 27 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
There's no chat feature in the game, you have to use vent (unless that's what you wre talking about :P).
In order to talk to partymates and people in the gameworld, you'll still need a keyboard obviously.

Vent is also a hassle for some people, with all the wires, needing a button on the gamepad bound to 'push-to-talk', and listening to people you may not be talking to. Also, they'll be blasting through your speakers along with your music and game, which isn't desirable (to counteract this, you have to get a headset, which adds to the uncomfort of venting).

Of course, keyboarding could be just as uncomfortable, but it's definitely less intrusive.
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Wireless 360 Controller and keyboard. Keyboard is only for typing and getting through POL. Here's hoping that FFXIV supports the analog triggers as buttons without using a 3rd party driver unlike FFXI. I've gotten so used to using the bumpers for my macros pallets though I guess it wouldn't make much difference anyway. I'm wondering if that mini keyboard that attaches to the 360 controller will work with it because that would be nice to not have to keep tilting back and forth every time I need to respond to a /tell or something. (Yes, I like to lie back and lounge while I'm playing which makes typing a pain in the ***).

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#27 Jul 27 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
whats cool is i use Xpad for some things (currently using an xbox controller to move my mouse cause im goofing around :P)

You CAN bind your gamepad buttons on ffxiv, which is refreshing. What you could do is bind some of the keyboard macros onto your xbox controller.

For example, you can get a whole new set of buttons on the controller by holding the right trigger down. To do this, you modify the right trigger to make it SWITCH to another button layout while holding it (and back to default when let go).

You could map this other layout as follows: the a/b/x/y/back/start/dpad buttons could be remapped as 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/0.
So, you basically hold your right trigger down and hit one of the buttons, and bam, you've created a controller shortcut.

you can change 1/2/3/4 to f1/f2/f3 etc (or whatever the macro keys are) and BAM - quick access to macros via gamepad. I plan on doing this :)

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Also, im not sure how macros are going to work by default in ffxiv, because all of the controller buttons are currently in use. There's no more room, basically, for more functions (such as the 1-2 macro palette buttons we need). :S
But consider my method for true macro usage on controllers. :) I've used it in racing games to give me a realistic clutch (the only way to shift up or down is to hold down the clutch and activate the button layout with the shift buttons :D really fvcking fun).

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#28 Jul 28 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Since I already have drivers for it, I'll try Wiimote + Keyboard... well, maybe only to test it. I'll most likely be using K+M for my adventures.

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#29 Aug 19 2010 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I am old school, been playing since ultima and have grown custom to mouse only...

In FFXIV can you move forward by holding both mouse buttons down and then camera pam with right button down.

Also can all macros go on the skill bar or mouse alt buttons?

Even though I am old school, keyboards are way to ancient for me, I use voice rec for all typing hardly ever use my keyboard.
#30 Aug 19 2010 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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#31 Aug 19 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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Controller + Keyboard for chatting


...but SE makes me use an SE to select certain things because a controller just isn't cool enough!
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Keyboard and mouse. Mouse will mainly be used for targeting, not for looking.
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