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#1 Jul 28 2010 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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simple question, maybe it won't be a simple answer. will ffxiv run on the a new macbook pro (15", 8gb ram, intel 2.66 ghz i7, and nvidia geforce gt 330m with 512mb) in bootcamp with windows 7.
i would like to play ffxiv for 6 months until it comes out on playstation 3. i use mac for home and work, and i am planning on getting a new one. i would like to avoid building my first gaming pc just to play until march.
i know mac isn't made for gaming, but just looking to bridge that 6 months... thanks
#2 Jul 28 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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The graphics will be a pretty big bottleneck, but i would think it could run on low/average settings. I have a macbook pro, but ive never ran games on windows through bootcamp though so i cant really say. Maybe someone else who had experience with that can answer for sure.

Just curious, since you said you use one for work and home, is your work paying for it? If its coming out of your pocket and you dont need that much power in a laptop you could go with the base 15" model and practically save enough for a gaming PC.
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#3 Jul 28 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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unfortunately work will not be paying for my computer. your idea is definitely a good one, so i may (and probably will) end up going that way. i know building a pc is the best option for the game, was just hoping to avoid it.
#4 Jul 28 2010 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah, if you going to get the MBP anyway though, you can always run the benchmark on it and see how it goes. Just a matter of choice, decked out macbook, or dialed down one and decent gaming pc. I went for the upper model when i bought mine last year so i know how hard of a decision it is too :)
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#5 Jul 28 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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If it works at all, the performance will likely be very very poor.
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#6 Jul 29 2010 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
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As another side note, if you're intent on a Macbook pro. . get your 8 gig of ram elsewhere. Apple's markup on more than 4 gig is pretty insane. You can get much better deals from online vendors such as Newegg.com

And no, Macs don't use any special ram. It's all the same hardware, just different branding on it.
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#7 Jul 29 2010 at 12:10 AM Rating: Default
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ffxi on my 2nd gen (without the black bezel) MBP runs very well, actually. Granted XIV is a beast, but I'm sure it'll at least run. The design and style of the game is likely good enough to enjoy even on the lowest setting (conversely, I hate how WoW looks even on the highest possible settings, because it's retarded cartoon characters running around in this blocky/smooth lego-like universe).
#8 Jul 29 2010 at 5:25 AM Rating: Decent
I recently ran the benchmark on my mac pro at work:

8core (Two 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon)
8Gb ram though windows 32bit on bootcamp only uses 1.9Gb
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB

My benchmark score on hires was just over 2100 which seems to be around the minimum to run the game. However the video ran incredibly smooth so I think the benchmark is just a guide.

I am going to be buying the new mac pro in august with the new ATI 1GB video card and running windows 64bit on bootcamp with the better card (yeah i know its not a pc gaming card) and the extra RAM i think it will run perfectly fine.

I use macs for work so am never gonna buy a pc for doing design work and cant justify buying a pc to play one game. (if i buy a pc i will end up buying a mac anyway) :)

#9 Aug 01 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
i have a macbook pro mid-2009 13' with an NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics card, do you guys think i could play ffxiv on low settings or even play at all if i ran windows 7 in bootcamp? :(
#10 Aug 01 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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nickyannarella wrote:
i have a macbook pro mid-2009 13' with an NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics card, do you guys think i could play ffxiv on low settings or even play at all if i ran windows 7 in bootcamp? :(


Probably not very well, but the fastest way to tell is to run the benchmark in bootcamp and see.
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#11 Aug 01 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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i have a macbook pro mid-2009 13' with an NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics card, do you guys think i could play ffxiv on low settings or even play at all if i ran windows 7 in bootcamp? :(


thats the same model i have, 2.53 4gb. Im gonna be dual-booting it in a couple days as i need windows for school this semester. i plan on running the bench then so if you havent done it by then ill let you know how it does.

Edited, Aug 1st 2010 2:55pm by Zidaga
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#12 Aug 06 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
Well, i finally bought and installed my windows 7 using bootcamp, i ran the benchmark and just about cried when i saw the score i got. 352. is there anything i can do to improve the score/"choppyness" of the benchmark? maybe change some settings or something? idk :'(
#13 Aug 06 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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nickyannarella wrote:
Well, i finally bought and installed my windows 7 using bootcamp, i ran the benchmark and just about cried when i saw the score i got. 352. is there anything i can do to improve the score/"choppyness" of the benchmark? maybe change some settings or something? idk :'(


Doubtful. Macs are not designed with gaming in mind. I love my iMac, and it runs WoW ok, but not amazing, and it only runs SC2 on low. Reality is, you won't be doing serious gaming on Apple hardware, with the possible exception of a tricked out PowerMac. Laptops are also not the best for serious gaming, regardless of make, unless you spend alot of money.

In the end, if you want to play FFXIV (or most modern PC games, in general), the most inexpensive method is to build yourself a PC.
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#14 Aug 06 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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For those of you that have this perception that Macs are better built for audio/graphics are living in a fantasy world from the 90s. Yes Macs were superior to Windows in many ways early in the game (for audio/graphics specifically). It use to have some slight advantages and now most of those advantages are no more. I cannot change your decision to like Mac and I really don't care to, I just want you to be aware that there are advantages that both platforms can offer over each other. At the end of the day it will be your personal preference, but don't be stuck on one thing because your perceived perception is that it is better built for your task at hand (because honestly if you were really worried about performance in design applications you would be purchasing a Quadro NVS or FirePro card and not the Radeon series Mac usually puts in their machines).

Also, PC refers to personal computer, so a PC can be either a Mac or Windows.

Edited, Aug 6th 2010 3:48pm by burtonsnow
#15 Aug 06 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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burtonsnow wrote:
[...] Also, PC refers to personal computer, so a PC can be either a Mac or Windows.


While technically accurate, that is not how much of the world perceives the terms, and has not since the 80's. The recently ended "I'm a Mac" commercials didn't do anything to dispel this disparity either. Again, you are obviously correct (and I agree with your post as well), but many non-"techie" people just don't see it that way, so it is a convenient method of communication with that segment of the population.
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#16 Aug 06 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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FFXIV. . Mac.

no.

is there any way to:

no.

not even if I. . ?

nope

but my mac. .

Doesn't matter. Answer is still no.

"what do I do now"?

Sell your brand new freshly updated $2,000 piece of 3 year old tech [they tend to hold resale fairly well] and buy a machine built with current components. Unfortunately, this means it will come equipped with Windows, but it'll also mean you spent half the money on 3x the computer performance.. . more if you get a decent desktop.

Don't get me wrong, I get OS X. I like it. it still doesn't justify the hardware I can get in a standard "PC" notebook for about $500-$600. Even if it COULD somehow run FFXIV, given the new arrandale temps in the MBPs, you'd probably have molten aluminum in your lap after 20 min anyway.

As an additional note, for those mac enthusiasts that may be unaware, the only difference in hardware between a mac and a PC is the case these days. Both use intel processors, ATI/Nvidia GFX, Realtek audio, whichever HDD and ram is cheapest in bulk, etc, with the POSSIBLE exception of the slot loading DVD drive, which i'm sure would work on any conventional windows machine.



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#17 Aug 06 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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Edalya wrote:
burtonsnow wrote:
[...] Also, PC refers to personal computer, so a PC can be either a Mac or Windows.


While technically accurate, that is not how much of the world perceives the terms, and has not since the 80's. The recently ended "I'm a Mac" commercials didn't do anything to dispel this disparity either. Again, you are obviously correct (and I agree with your post as well), but many non-"techie" people just don't see it that way, so it is a convenient method of communication with that segment of the population.


Just further exemplifies the types of individuals that are marketed into buying macintosh. But I guess I am forgetting that Macs are so innovative they probably can't even be considered a computer, more like a time machine to the future of computing.
#18 Aug 06 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Macs are so innovative they probably can't even be considered a computer, more like a time machine to the future of computing


Yes, we all know what an iPad is ;)
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But I guess I am forgetting that Macs are so innovative they probably can't even be considered a computer, more like a time machine to the future of computing.


I laughed a little :P
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#20 Aug 08 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Default
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Using a MBP with Bootcamp is no different than running FFXIV on a similar machine on a PC. It's not visualized and inherently slow, it's just an install of Windows on a MBP. Now, with the MBP you won't get the latest and greatest video card, etc. but if you're planning on dumping it in 6 months for the PS3 version and can live with the default settings then you have nothing to worry about.

Now, if you wanna push the envelop you need to stay away from the MBP and the PS3 as a gaming PC will be the only way to go. But, don't listen to the nay-sayers that no nothing of Macs about them being terribly slow. It's performance will be on par with most laptops.
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#21 Aug 08 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apple is currently advertising the fact that their new computers have "More Powerful Graphics". What the BRAND NEW MACS are shipping with are Mobility 5670 or Mobility 5750. Neither of these are good enough to run XIV and that's the best that an iMac can give you. The best a MacBook Pro can offer is a GT330M, also crap.

The only way to get a decent GPU in a Mac is to go for a Mac Pro. You can get a 5870 in it, and it will set you back about three or four grand.

Software-wise, Macs are great. Hardware wise, not so much. They all use the same parts and for all of Apple's great software innovations and hardware innovations like the iPod, iPhone, iPad, etc, they're horribly behind the curve when it comes to Apple PCs. They're great if you just want a system for general use or general video work, but if you're trying to do high end gaming, they are not the system for you.

Motorcycles are nice. They can be very shiny and fun to drive and many people would never ride another vehicle. But when you have a family of 5, a Motorcycle will not accomplish what you are trying to do, no matter how much you try to force it to.

Pick the right tool for the right job. A Mac has its uses, but it is not the right tool for gaming.

EDIT: And honestly, if you really want "A Mac" so much, OS X only costs $129; go buy it and drop it into your Windows box. Or just get a GNOME variant of Linux like Ubuntu.

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#22 Aug 14 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Default
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For all the naysayers stating that a MacBook Pro cannot run FFXIV, you are wrong.

Currently in the beta on the MBP i7 2.66 Ghz machine. Runs a bit choppy with everything cranked to high and there is some interface lag. However, drop the resolution down and turn some stuff off and it runs just fine.
#23 Aug 14 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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For all the naysayers stating that a MacBook Pro cannot run FFXIV, you are wrong.


You are absolutely right. new macbook pros are running the game just as well as all the other 3 year old hardware equipped laptops out there.

I'm curious as to your CPU temps after 30 min or so of playing ;D

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#24 Aug 14 2010 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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For all the naysayers stating that a MacBook Pro cannot run FFXIV, you are wrong.


You are absolutely right. new macbook pros are running the game just as well as all the other 3 year old hardware equipped laptops out there.


I see what you did there. :P
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