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#1 Jul 29 2010 at 11:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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You've just gotten back to your Mog House from adventuring, and you've a backpack full of swag. You check your local Auction House to discover that all the items you've put up before are still pending. "Ugh", you think to yourself, "time to set up a bazzar and play the waiting game."

Well, not any more!

FFXIV will introduce "Retainers", NPC's that you hire to specificly hold up to ten (stacks of) items to sell for you while you're adventuring or even offline. They can even keep an eye on AH's for you to buy a specific item at a certain price you set.

This retainer can be set anywhere you want in the market area, or you can "rent" one of the empty booths to help attract buyers for 100 gil a day. The booths can be made to appear as weapon, armor, misc., etc. shops.

Just another improvement to keep you adventuring!
#2 Jul 29 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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specificly hold up to ten (stacks of) items to sell for you while you're adventuring or even offline. They can even keep an eye on AH's for you to buy a specific item at a certain price you set.

This retainer can be set anywhere you want in the market area, or you can "rent" one of the empty booths to help attract buyers for 100 gil a day. The booths can be made to appear as weapon, armor, misc., etc. shops.


I'm sorry but could i ask from where did you found the above information?

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 5:28am by Sleepymagi
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#3 Jul 29 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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Sleepymagi wrote:

I'm sorry but could i ask from where did you found the above information?


Famitsu published an article that was translated by FF14News.

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 1:38am by Futzbucket
#4 Jul 29 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to preface every thing like this with the fact that I am not in the beta, but except for the "watching for stuff on the AH" thing, it's true. The AH thing might be, but I can't confirm or deny it. You can set your retainer to offer gil for items, but it's not linked to the AH right now.
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#5 Jul 30 2010 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
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That's awesome, if now you can bazaar without having to stay logged in all the time. Even more so if you can have a bazaar set up, while you are elsewhere doing important things. Dunno if the alotted number of item/stacks you can have on sale at a time will be inadequate, or if the AH watching thing is true, but this is a step in the right direction.
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#6 Jul 30 2010 at 1:17 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder, if two people have retainers watching the AH for one item for the same price, and the item goes on sale, which retainer gets it? If it's "Whoever was watching for it first/longest", then is there any indication "You are 3rd in line for this item" or "Someone else is watching the item at 200 gil less than you" or something?

I dunno if I like the idea of a bot that can snipe the AH (since that's basically what it is). Or does your retainer send you a /tell saying the item is available and you actually have to buy it yourself? That would be better IMO.

EDIT: Even better idea: can a crafter scan retainers for "Wanted items" that they are looking for? Like, say your retainer is looking on AH for "Spiffy Armor +1" and willing to pay 50k for it, will a crafter be able to see "Fred (Retainer of John Smith) is looking for 'Spiffy Armor +1' at 50,000 Gil" and they can try to make it for you? That would be REALLY cool.

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 3:21am by Mikhalia
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#7 Jul 30 2010 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Funny thing is what if there were no auction house?
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Mikhalia wrote:
I wonder, if two people have retainers watching the AH for one item for the same price, and the item goes on sale, which retainer gets it? If it's "Whoever was watching for it first/longest", then is there any indication "You are 3rd in line for this item" or "Someone else is watching the item at 200 gil less than you" or something?

I dunno if I like the idea of a bot that can snipe the AH (since that's basically what it is). Or does your retainer send you a /tell saying the item is available and you actually have to buy it yourself? That would be better IMO.


Very good point. Yeah, I can see that being a problem unless you have to be loged in to accept the transaction. Maybe it "holds" the transaction for a limited time and sends you an email?
#9 Jul 30 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Funny thing is what if there were no auction house?


That would suck. I mean, I guess we'd live, if there were a way to scan all retainers at once, but if the game has no way to search retainers for items and no central AH, such that whenever you want an item, you have to check through 50+ retainers manually... I can see that causing a lot of people to get ****** and probably quit.
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#10 Jul 30 2010 at 1:34 AM Rating: Good
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Funny thing is what if there were no auction house?


Honestly, I think if they released the game without at least a "bazaar search" I would quit until they implemented one. Are you listening, SE? I hope so. The AH was one of my favorite parts of XI. I haven't played a game since UO that didn't have at least some sort of basic search for what people were selling. For now, I think more highly of Square-Enix than to entertain the thought that they would revert that far.

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#11 Jul 30 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
I wonder, if two people have retainers watching the AH for one item for the same price, and the item goes on sale, which retainer gets it? If it's "Whoever was watching for it first/longest", then is there any indication "You are 3rd in line for this item" or "Someone else is watching the item at 200 gil less than you" or something?

I dunno if I like the idea of a bot that can snipe the AH (since that's basically what it is). Or does your retainer send you a /tell saying the item is available and you actually have to buy it yourself? That would be better IMO.

EDIT: Even better idea: can a crafter scan retainers for "Wanted items" that they are looking for? Like, say your retainer is looking on AH for "Spiffy Armor +1" and willing to pay 50k for it, will a crafter be able to see "Fred (Retainer of John Smith) is looking for 'Spiffy Armor +1' at 50,000 Gil" and they can try to make it for you? That would be REALLY cool.

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 3:21am by Mikhalia


I support the idea of the Retainer just "Watching" the AH for you. That alone would be worth alot of time saved. But auto-shopping for you, that would invited exploitation down the line.

What would really be nice, is if there was an implementation for the Retainer to not only notify you ingame, but even off line, say by SMS/Email. Granted, that would just open up the door for people to skip school, or take an extra long work break in the middle of the day to run home and buy!
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#12 Jul 30 2010 at 3:00 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Funny thing is what if there were no auction house?


That would suck. I mean, I guess we'd live, if there were a way to scan all retainers at once, but if the game has no way to search retainers for items and no central AH, such that whenever you want an item, you have to check through 50+ retainers manually... I can see that causing a lot of people to get ****** and probably quit.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it wouldn't be horrible like that. There would be a way to search all retainers @ once, which in turn would be just like the AH of XI. But now i'm wondering if what I read was a post of someone speculating or valid information.
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#13 Jul 30 2010 at 3:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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khorbin wrote:
You can set your retainer to offer gil for items, but it's not linked to the AH right now.


This is interesting, if I understand what you're saying. I imagine it would work like this if the ability to search retainers is implemented. Say you're a DoH looking for crafting materials. You tell your retainer you're willing to buy said materials at a certain price and send him out to the market.

Meanwhile, a DoW has been out killing stuff all day and now his inventory is filled with crap he doesn't need. He does a retainer search and finds that your retainer is looking to buy the stuff he doesn't need and is offering a good price. He finds your retainer then sells it all. It would be an interesting system where common crafting items find their way to the crafters, rather than the crafters having to spend a lot of time farming for them or scanning AH.
#14 Jul 30 2010 at 3:42 AM Rating: Good
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I hope that if they have bazaars again that they will implement some kind of feature that will help me narrow down my search. (not having to check everyone's bazaar hoping to find 1 specific item.) Even something as simple as an icon over the retainers head (like the LFG flag) that indicates "this person is selling woodworking ingredients" or some such.
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Of course, even if you -can- search every retainer at once, it's still rather inconvenient if, once you find what you want to buy, you then have to go hunt down that retainer.

I guess what I'm getting at is, while I like the retainer system, I can't fathom a way that they could implement it that would -replace- the AH -entirely- and be -better-.
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#16 Jul 30 2010 at 5:41 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah i see why you guys dislike the idea. Especially early on when you probably don't know what you're looking for, just wanting to see what's out there. If you have to manually visit each retainer 1 by 1 that would totally suck. But supposedly your retainer holds money and makes purchases for you as well...

So what I'm thinking is it could totally run like the XI AH still. You put a stack of crystals for sale on your retainer, it immediately enters the system. Someone searching for crystals finds yours, buys it, crystals immediately go to their retainer and the money goes to yours. All done through the search menu just like an AH. No need for physically finding that particular retainer. You contact your retainer and grab the dough from him/her and the other person does the same with theirs for the crystals...
Like the retainers serving as bazaar,AH, & mailbox all in one?

Hopefully it works more like that and I'm not just being over optimistic...
#17 Jul 30 2010 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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When I originally heard of retainers and how they work, I thought of something similar to Nomad Moogles in XI. It's clear now that you will set up your own retainer and it has to be in this market area.

I seriously doubt that you will be able to search all retainers at once. I would expect that there is some way to list the items in your retainer (similar to setting up a search comment when you bazaar outside of Jeuno).
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#18 Jul 30 2010 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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While we might not be able to search all available retainers for a specific item, smart sellers would place their retainers near shops that sell simular items.
#19 Jul 30 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Futzbucket wrote:
While we might not be able to search all available retainers for a specific item, smart sellers would place their retainers near shops that sell simular items.


Well you also have to consider retainers that sell multiple things. If my retainer is selling a sword, a staff, a breastplate, some potions, and some lumber... where do I put it?

With some things, it's a question of "Benefits of option A vs Benefits of option B", and I really can't see any benefits to a decentralized system with no ability to search.

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#20 Jul 30 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:

Well you also have to consider retainers that sell multiple things. If my retainer is selling a sword, a staff, a breastplate, some potions, and some lumber... where do I put it?


Hmm...I'd guess nearest whatever you were most interested in selling.

Oh, this just made me thing of something...if this information is true and we can place our own retainer, but only in the market area...well, that's a limited number of spaces no matter how big it is. Also, I seriously doubt they'll allow us to swarm the entire area with retainers, I mean we're going to want to walk around without a forest of npc's lagging the server and, well, just being anoying.

I do hope there's a respectible max time anyone's retainer will keep their shop open. I can see lots of people logging off for a few weeks with a retainer open. What's a good time? Eight hours?
#21 Jul 30 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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Futzbucket wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:

Well you also have to consider retainers that sell multiple things. If my retainer is selling a sword, a staff, a breastplate, some potions, and some lumber... where do I put it?


Hmm...I'd guess nearest whatever you were most interested in selling.

Oh, this just made me thing of something...if this information is true and we can place our own retainer, but only in the market area...well, that's a limited number of spaces no matter how big it is. Also, I seriously doubt they'll allow us to swarm the entire area with retainers, I mean we're going to want to walk around without a forest of npc's lagging the server and, well, just being anoying.

I do hope there's a respectible max time anyone's retainer will keep their shop open. I can see lots of people logging off for a few weeks with a retainer open. What's a good time? Eight hours?


Nothing was said about a maximum time they could be open. And honestly, if your retainer logs out after 8 hours of you being logged out, then you might as well not even log out, which is the issue they were trying to address (tying up server resources with people logging in overnight while AFK).
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#22 Jul 30 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Am I missing something here? By the translation in the post, it seems like however this retainer system ends up, it will be in addition to an AH-type system. The retainers are what is meant to replace FFXI's bazaar system. That way you can still put items up for auction, and that can be easily searched, but you can also have a more convenient bazaar where you don't have to use your main character and you don't have to be logged in to do so.

Perhaps a search function among retainers could be nice too, but there might be something said for, if you're not just going to be lazy and stick to the AH, being able to put a bit more effort into scouting the marketplace for the best deals. This is perhaps how people could make successful careers out of being merchants. Plus, it gives a strong reason to spend the extra gil to set up in a stall (hopefully there are a lot of them).

Want crafting ingredients? Go to a component stall. It'd be even better if they had different stalls for each craft like a Tannery, an Ore Stall, Gem Stall etc. Want armor? Check out an armor shop. Although you might be able to find the best deal by browsing the retainers in the marketplace a bit to find those whose prices aren't inflated by having to pay the stall rental fee...

At least, this is what I'm taking from the info so far, and I don't think it's a bad idea at all.
#23 Jul 30 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Retainers are set in an Instance are. That way you do not have Retainers everywheir. Their are certain places you can talk/ or use your retainer it's kinda like in ffxi when you want to talk to your Fellow/NPC. From their there is wheir you can go in an Instance wheir the retainers are and look and search what items are for sell.

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If Retainers are able to buy items from the AH for you I'm going to have them looking for the most expensive items. Just by luck some fool trys to sell a 10,000,000g 'O Ring' for 1g to him/herself just to get his name on the AH list to show everyone how rich they are for a laugh. Who is laughing now!!!!!!!!!! Well that system will due away with that.
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Hmm mabey our retainers would search the other retainers for us, have them do our shopping.
Hey retainer go look for this item for me here some money.
okay master, little while later "master im back manager d to get item for this much here is your change
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#26 Jul 30 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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I 'think' the way the retainer system works is that its just the FFXIV bazaar system and that there is an AH system as well (although that isn't in beta at the moment according to the article). The buying and selling options is designed only through the retainers and it can't buy stuff on the AH itself. The famitsu article that is being 'alluded' to actually talks about the area being an instance within itself with NPCs that are clearly marked as retainers. You can setup a shop in these instances and have them decorated based around the items your retainers mostly sells. So say you are a crafter that sells armor all the time, not just any armor 'fancy chainmail' armor. You can make your stall more obvious that is what you are trying to sell.

Now the retainer buying and selling together option. I think the buying of items is only amongst other retainers. Say for instance you are 'looking' for an item that is not currently availible or is up for too much. You could catelogue that item on your retainer and put in asking price. Then all a crafter or seller needs to do is see that and decide whether its worth putting it up for sale at that price. They decide yes... go put up the item at that price and bingo its gone. You get the money almost like you are NPCing but its being given to someone that wants it (the money is stored on the retainer, both the selling and buying so there is no 'credit' conflict). The person that wanted it is notified of the buy and goes to get it from the retainer later.

If it does work that way, it will make it really easy to find stuff that is not extremely common on the AH or is more selective (For instance it would be hard to sell dyed or customized armor on an AH but it would be easier using this system in a bazaar setting since the crafters can see the demand). So the retainer system would work as basically the preferred crafters selling system but if you want to just find a certain easy to find item (ingridients, crystals, tools, select armor and weapons that are not customized), an AH will be availible too.
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I remembered in XI (correct me if I'm wrong), when I have something I wanted to sell but I don't want to put it on AH or sell to NPC, I can set up a "shop" on my character (a bag icon would appear next to your name), then when people check on me, they can browse my items and buy whatever they want. But I don't remember if there's a function that we can name a item I wanted to buy for how much, then whoever checked me and if they happen to have that item, then can sell to me right away.

I think the retainer in FFXIV would be able to do all that. I also think if the retainer is somehow connected to AH and would buy any item at a certain price automatically, then it'll ruin a lot of "fun". I hope they could be a separate system from AH. One thing I would like to see is that if we can put some words or even icons to show what our retainer is selling otherwise its name. For example, if I can simply put the text: Sword, Axe, Potion, and item for XXX quest underneath my name, but these text won't show until someone targeted my retainer, then people can tab around retainers and kinda get an idea of what everyone is selling without having to check every retainer in the market. If there're small icons like weapon, armer, food, quest items and etc which would show underneath the name of a retainer is good too. People can also pay 100gil a day to rent a booth, which will give you some bigger signs of stuff you're selling and more space to put text if you want to.
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I remembered in XI (correct me if I'm wrong), when I have something I wanted to sell but I don't want to put it on AH or sell to NPC, I can set up a "shop" on my character (a bag icon would appear next to your name), then when people check on me, they can browse my items and buy whatever they want. But I don't remember if there's a function that we can name a item I wanted to buy for how much, then whoever checked me and if they happen to have that item, then can sell to me right away.

I think the retainer in FFXIV would be able to do all that. I also think if the retainer is somehow connected to AH and would buy any item at a certain price automatically, then it'll ruin a lot of "fun". I hope they could be a separate system from AH. One thing I would like to see is that if we can put some words or even icons to show what our retainer is selling otherwise its name. For example, if I can simply put the text: Sword, Axe, Potion, and item for XXX quest underneath my name, but these text won't show until someone targeted my retainer, then people can tab around retainers and kinda get an idea of what everyone is selling without having to check every retainer in the market. If there're small icons like weapon, armer, food, quest items and etc which would show underneath the name of a retainer is good too. People can also pay 100gil a day to rent a booth, which will give you some bigger signs of stuff you're selling and more space to put text if you want to.


The retainer system is separate from the AH, the AH itself isn't even implemented yet. You can buy a booth that can be 'decorated' to show what your retainer is selling more of. I also seriously doubt the retainer system will 'ever' be connected to the AH. Why? Because the server could never keep the continuous search load that is a bunch of retainers constantly submitting bids in on the AH. If it works like the FFXI AH, it will never ever be connected, this system will be separate. Just think of this as a more highly advanced bazaar system in FFXI designed to sell more uniqure wares that will be much harder to sell via AH.
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Sounds like a great addition to the bazaar system. Thanks for the info.

However, I completely agree that a searchable item system is necessary. Surely best if the searchable system is tested out prior to release, so hopefully it's included in Beta2.
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You check your local Auction House to discover that all the items you've put up before are still pending. "Ugh", you think to yourself, "time to set up a bazzar and play the waiting game."

I just sat here wondering why retainers would be necessary in the first place. Only because there is another relatively low item limit on the AH. Please, be more than 7 this time.

Also, there would almost have to be an unlimited number of booths. The market area has to be instanced.

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#31 Jul 30 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I just sat here wondering why retainers would be necessary in the first place. Only because there is another relatively low item limit on the AH. Please, be more than 7 this time.

Also, there would almost have to be an unlimited number of booths. The market area has to be instanced.



I assume another major reason to have a retainer is to use it as a mule.
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So let's run some numbers. So far there are 23,000 preorders or FFXIV. Let's assume that we have 50,000 players at some point. One retainer, minimum, per person. If you want to buy a new sword and you don't see what you want on the AH you have 50,000 npc's to check. Where ever those retainers are found will be nicknamed Lagcity. Also those 50 or so shops that SE is offering to players are a HUGE get. That first spot right next to the AH will be priceless.
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#33 Jul 30 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Implementing retainers that are not searchable, IN PLACE OF a standard AH, is kinda like reinventing the wheel in an oval shape.

It was fine, and the changes are "new and different" but they're neither intuitive nor efficient.

I really do like the retainer system as a replacement for bazaaring, but if they aren't going to make them searchable, then the game needs some sort of AH system that -is- searchable.

I'm all in favor of "new ways of doing things" so long as they're at least as good as, if not better than, the old way.
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#34 Jul 30 2010 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure its going to 'eventually' be searchable if not right out of the gate (because of the instanced structure of the markets). It just means you won't beable to buy anything unless 1# you are right next to the bazaar in question or 2# you get your retainer to buy it. I can confirm (through the famitsu article) that there are 'instances' of Retainer markets, in otherwords you will pick an instance upon zoning into the market and you can 'randomly' check around the bazaars there if all you want to do is window shopping.

Also im pretty sure you will have a limit on stuff on the AH just like FFXI. FFXI actually could have more then 7 (even with PS2 limitations aside) the problem was the servers they were using. The games servers just could not handle more then 7 items up for bid at a time. How they are designing the retainers is actually pretty genius imo(from a money making point of view). If you can only sell 10 items at a time per retainer, then it goes to show you need more then one to run a diverse crafting business so you will probably end up wanting to buy more then one anyways. The extra dolloar you spend in real money for that extra retainer is supposed to go to server upkeep probably (the rest into profit!). Also don't forget the retainer is supposed to function as a mule too. If you don't use it for selling, it can at least hold items you don't want to sell but don't want in your inventory either.
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So let's run some numbers. So far there are 23,000 preorders or FFXIV. Let's assume that we have 50,000 players at some point. One retainer, minimum, per person. If you want to buy a new sword and you don't see what you want on the AH you have 50,000 npc's to check. Where ever those retainers are found will be nicknamed Lagcity. Also those 50 or so shops that SE is offering to players are a HUGE get. That first spot right next to the AH will be priceless.


Don't forget that those 50,000 players will be spread at to around 20 or so servers.
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I know this zam thread is old, but I thought I'd post this info up for people like me that couldn't figure retainers out. And I was unable to locate this information anywhere else.

http://www.eorzeapedia.com/wiki/en/Retainer

After you get a retainer in limsa, go to the southern islands, south of the adventurers' guild. You will see an NPC named Thata khamazom there and a "!" will appear. Don't click on the npc, just go to your menu to teleport. You can then teleport to the markets. Choose the top one because I found that it was the only one that had retainers in it. Once inside stand somewhere and summon your retainer, again you will see a "!" signaling an action can take place. The rest is up to you :)

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 11:16am by Parsalyn

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 11:17am by Parsalyn
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