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#1 Aug 01 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Default
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I am moments away from buying by new gaming PC. I am way over due and FF XIV is a good excuse.

Looking at the specs, the 480 GTX should blow these ATI HD cards out of the water, but they do not by the benchmark scores. I am torn as to which way to go. I know that both these cards will perform very well in game (with my i7 980 extreme, 12G ram). But since this is the game I am building around, I would like to get the best one.

My gut is telling me go for the 480 GTX, and assume the drivers and game will be optimized eventually. I have read all of the "benchmark" thread and this is where I became aware of the problems with the 480 GTX.

So what do you think? 480 GTX or go with the HD cards?

PS I have been an SLI fan from the begining. It gets so expensive ... so from here on out I am going to go with single cards and just try keep current with a top performing card. This is another reason I may be biased toward the 480 GTX, lol.

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#2 Aug 01 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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i bought a 5870 as apposed to the nvidia cards due to the current benchmark problem. Im a nvidia fan, and would much prefer one over ATI, however i havent had a real problem with an ATI yet, just heard stories. If they optimize for nvidia eventually ill probably just craigslist my 5870 and make the switch then. I wouldnt mind being out ~$50-$70 loss in selling/rebuying if it means i have the peace of mind knowing my rig will run the game smooth at release. just my $0.02 ^^
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#3 Aug 01 2010 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
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You listed the 5970 which is a dual 5870 GPU in one. Obviously the 5970 outperforms the GTX480. I would go with the 5970 if I have money to spare. But GTX480 will allow 3d vision with the nvidia 3d kit. The game will be supporting 3D so it wont have technical issues with shadow,UI, etc. :)
#4 Aug 02 2010 at 7:34 AM Rating: Default
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Imaboomer wrote:
You listed the 5970 which is a dual 5870 GPU in one. Obviously the 5970 outperforms the GTX480. I would go with the 5970 if I have money to spare. But GTX480 will allow 3d vision with the nvidia 3d kit. The game will be supporting 3D so it wont have technical issues with shadow,UI, etc. :)



Uhhh, what? Am I the only one that this is news for? Since when did SE say FFXIV was to be in 3D?
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I've seen some 3D demonstration in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq-hDTCtLxk
If it's that what you mean?!



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#6 Aug 02 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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Imaboomer wrote:
You listed the 5970 which is a dual 5870 GPU in one. Obviously the 5970 outperforms the GTX480. I would go with the 5970 if I have money to spare. But GTX480 will allow 3d vision with the nvidia 3d kit. The game will be supporting 3D so it wont have technical issues with shadow,UI, etc. :)

Almost.
The HD5970 got two HD5870 cores running at HD5850 speeds. So out of the box the HD5970 is a xfired HD5850
It's really easy to OC the HD5970 to run at HD5870 speeds so you will have a xfired 5870 setup. Personally i really suggest a better aftermarket cooler though. I'm planning to OC my HD5970 to dual HD5870 speeds when i have a new processor. At the moment it's not worth it for me as the HD5970 is already choked by the processor at stock speeds.

Downside of the HD5970 (or any multi GPU card) that it relies on the game engine if your expensive multi GPU card is used to its full potential.
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#7 Aug 02 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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PS I have been an SLI fan from the begining. It gets so expensive ... so from here on out I am going to go with single cards and just try keep current with a top performing card. This is another reason I may be biased toward the 480 GTX, lol.


2 460s in SLI is cheaper and faster than a 480, cheaper and a bit slower than a 5970. SLI is still your best option. Oh yeah and they run cooler too, weird huh.
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#8 Aug 03 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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most 5870's have been outscoring the GTX480's in the bench, my own system with stock clocks on the gpu and a 4ghz i7-920 scored 4920 on the high bench. If DX11 features are added the story might change.

The 5970 is even more capable than the 5870 if the specific game supports Crossfire and is currently the fastest single PCI-e slot card available.
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#9 Aug 03 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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my own system with stock clocks on the gpu and a 4ghz i7-920 scored 4920 on the high bench. If DX11 features are added the story might change


I'm interested in how you are getting 4GHz with an i7-920 when the stock for that is 2.66GHz with a max boost of 2.93?
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#10 Aug 03 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Turbo boost and overclocking are two different things. Turbo boost is an automatic process that occurs when not all cores are being utilized.

For example:
Your CPU has 4 cores running at 2.6 Ghz.
When you're running only applications that utilize 2 cores (active), the other two cores (passive) are "shut down" and the two active cores get automatically overclocked to 2.8 Ghz to increase performance.
If you turn on an application that utilizes 4 cores, the two passive cores get activated again and all 4 cores go back to 2.6 Ghz.

On the other hand, overclocking is manually forcing all cores to perform higher than 2.6 Ghz at all times, no matter what programs you're running.

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#11 Aug 03 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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For those who are contemplating the Geforce line of cards, consider a couple things:

1) SE is clearly partnering with Nvidia on graphics. I am positive they have the data to show ATI cards are outperforming it on FFXI for comparable cards, you can almost bet they will optimize the drivers to bump them up

2) From everything I can tell, the Official Benchmark is spotty with results, at best.

I've had ATI cards in the past, that didn't seem to last too long. That's why this time I decided to make the switch to Nvidia, and pulled the trigger on the 470.

I hope my logic doesn't fail me :)
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#12 Aug 03 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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ZarovichGaruda wrote:
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my own system with stock clocks on the gpu and a 4ghz i7-920 scored 4920 on the high bench. If DX11 features are added the story might change


I'm interested in how you are getting 4GHz with an i7-920 when the stock for that is 2.66GHz with a max boost of 2.93?


I'm sorry, are you serious? People have pushed the i7-920 and i7-930 chips to the 7.4ghz range under extreme cooling (LN2, DICE, etc)
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#13 Aug 03 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Whoa, down sparky. Just asking what your setup is to improve performance by over 50%. Not interested in the hyperbole or the epeen.
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#14 Aug 03 2010 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
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4ghz overclock is actually fairly easy to reach provided you have decent cooling. Either a huge coppper heatpipe heatsink on air or some form of liquid cooling for best results. Extreme end the ln2 like fetter said.
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#16 Aug 03 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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ZarovichGaruda wrote:
Whoa, down sparky. Just asking what your setup is to improve performance by over 50%. Not interested in the hyperbole or the epeen.


No hyperbole was used, and nothing posted was about epeen. It was actual astonishment that someone does not know what overclocking is, and fact, "Sparky".
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