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#52 Aug 02 2010 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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For those of us not getting into the Beta it will take just as long getting used to the battle and crafting systems.


youre not kidding. i felt like i was all thumbs when i started the beta backup. had to de-program my WoW-centered view on how controls work. FF14 is like in 11 in that its a game designed to be played with a gamepad; i.e. no mouse. so i had to unplug my mouse for the first day or so to re-train myself to use just the keyboard.

now it comes more naturally, but i still need some practice with the keystrokes.


Is it really so bad to use the mouse in FFXIV? Is it really so useless? What does it do? I just can't imagine good camera control on a keypad only... My and the hubby don't doubt the gamepad only controls will be good, but we're having a hard time wrapping our heads around "no mouse." How does one spin the camera on all axis' and zoom in and out while running? a keystroke can't give the intuitive on-demand speed control a mouse can...
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Is it really so bad to use the mouse in FFXIV? Is it really so useless? What does it do? I just can't imagine good camera control on a keypad only... My and the hubby don't doubt the gamepad only controls will be good, but we're having a hard time wrapping our heads around "no mouse." How does one spin the camera on all axis' and zoom in and out while running? a keystroke can't give the intuitive on-demand speed control a mouse can...


if you ever played ff11 youll know what i mean. its basically the mouse from there. that is to say, you click and move it to move the camera, then you stop, and it doesnt stop on a dime like it did in WoW; it keeps spinning for a moment, and there's no "lock" on it like if you were using the camera to look around with right-click in WoW.

but the upside is, you dont *need* it. the camera controls, target selection and keyboard movement are all pretty intuitive once you get the hang of it.
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I only played 11 for maybe 5 months at launch, so I can't remember.

So your saying that the mouse only does camera controls?

And that the Keyboard does camera controls better?

Can I 180 the camera WHILE zooming at the same time? And can I do it quickly? the Mouse gives you the ability to rotate the camera slowly, or quickly jerk it around, how do you get this finesse with the keyboard?
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I really don't give a crap about getting a leg up on the "competition". I ordered the CE because waiting till Aug.22 will be hard enough; waiting 8 more days (when I know others are already playing) would be torture.


hate to be the bearer of bad news here pickins, but FF14 release day is set for the 30th (CE is 22nd). of september.


LOL

That was definitely a typo. But, if it wasn't I'd probably be crushed... :D
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So your saying that the mouse only does camera controls?


you CAN use the mouse for other stuff like targeting and menu selection, but its generally just easier to use the keyboard. you can quickly scroll down lists with page up and page down, and target selection is much more intuitive than it was with WoW (after about five years of WoW i *still* had no idea how WoW tab targeting decided on target selection....it seemed to have no rhyme or reason to it).

once you play it youll know what i mean. its just easier to use the keyboard. its feels more natural.

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That was definitely a typo. But, if it wasn't I'd probably be crushed... :D


no kidding. ill be honest tho, for a moment i was briefly hopeful. but then reality came crashing down and i realized that, no, things hadnt been miraculously moved up by one month.

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To the OP -

It's only an advantage if you're playing the game to compete with the progress of other players.

Otherwise, nope - you still have every opportunity to create an incredible FFXIV character and have fun with your friends.
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its an advantage to all of us, they are splitting the initial player zerg into two separate days
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To the OP -

It's only an advantage if you're playing the game to compete with the progress of other players.

Otherwise, nope - you still have every opportunity to create an incredible FFXIV character and have fun with your friends.


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#61 Aug 03 2010 at 5:56 AM Rating: Good
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8 days could end up meaning nothing if there's maintenance every day or congestion and you can't log on....

Its been known to happen >.>
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8 days could end up meaning nothing if there's maintenance every day or congestion and you can't log on....

Its been known to happen >.>


8 days could mean everything if the initial CE sign-ins aren't heavy enough to cause that, but the zerg rush of the 30th is =P

Personally I see it as a win-win, now all the regular edition players get a more stress-tested and ready server, beginner items already up for sale in the markets, players with the know-how of where to go to guide them, and guides already pouring into the wikis and fansites.

And all us CE addicts get to play NOAW, and network with other people as hardcore as ourselves. We get to be the pioneer explorers giving info dumps tot he community.
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I have heard that when XI first began, a giant sense of community burst out of nothing in those first few days and continued for some time on the joy of discovering new things. I wasn't around for it obviously but I have heard as much.

I think whoever wants this game enough to grab a CE will be the type of gamer that loves to game, loves Final Fantasy, and as a result, will take warmly to any player that asks for help or that wants to try new things.

I don't see a situation where you have 1000 new gamers all coming together and colluding: "We have an 8-day advantage. Let's be on top." That's very devious. ;p An "advantage" must be activated. You can't just have it and do nothing with it and I don't see how players will want to capitalize off this advantage this early in the game.

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Another benefit I can think of, which is mitigated somewhat by the fact that there are surnames now, would be a better chance at getting a name you wanted without modifying it.
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I personally dont think it'll give THAT much of an advantage, but I'll still be playing that week early...

At least its not like FFXI where jpn got it like a year or so before NA did....
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Another benefit I can think of, which is mitigated somewhat by the fact that there are surnames now, would be a better chance at getting a name you wanted without modifying it.
I know this has been covered elsewhere and I apologize for begging the question but: When you say surname that makes me think of Western Style name-order. But I recall reading that the surname will precede the first name, the Japanese order. That still true?
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No clue Smiley: smile Great question though Smiley: thumbsup
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No clue Smiley: smile Great question though Smiley: thumbsup

That's fine. :) If it is true, there are going to be many interesting GM calls those first few days. :p
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Another benefit I can think of, which is mitigated somewhat by the fact that there are surnames now, would be a better chance at getting a name you wanted without modifying it.
I know this has been covered elsewhere and I apologize for begging the question but: When you say surname that makes me think of Western Style name-order. But I recall reading that the surname will precede the first name, the Japanese order. That still true?


Man, I'm having a hard enough time thinking of good names & now ya throw this curveball at me? I don't think I can handle this kind of pressure...
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There's a thought, will the game universally say to put the family name second? Will some JP players reverse it anyway? It will make it tricky to guess what name to call people by for sure!

Usually in like films or music albums Japanese artists swap their names into the western style when considering a global audience... So perhaps, as these are mixed servers most JP players will put their family name in the second box?

For some reason, we leave Chinese names alone, so they are correctly Chen Kaige, Zhang Yimou etc. (except on IMDb who mess everything up)

which leaves to another bit of confusion I've also noticed we don't tend to switch the Chinese and Korean names around the way we do Japanese ones 0_o.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 11:36am by Tweezle120
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I found this on another post here and thought it would be somewhat helpful in this topic. As stated earlier by someone else, the 8 day head start would be good for getting out in the fields and getting ahead of the crowd for the starting areas outside the cities. In this link on the 2nd page they talk about doing quest on off the Guildleve's and how monsters are 'reserved' for you when you start it.



[link=http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3180680/[/link]


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I found this on another post here and thought it would be somewhat helpful in this topic. As stated earlier by someone else, the 8 day head start would be good for getting out in the fields and getting ahead of the crowd for the starting areas outside the cities. In this link on the 2nd page they talk about doing quest on off the Guildleve's and how monsters are 'reserved' for you when you start it.



http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3180680


EDIT: Sorry for the double post. And the link on the other post is wrong. Use the one on this page.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 1:00pm by RSquires
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There's a thought, will the game universally say to put the family name second? Will some JP players reverse it anyway? It will make it tricky to guess what name to call people by for sure!

Usually in like films or music albums Japanese artists swap their names into the western style when considering a global audience... So perhaps, as these are mixed servers most JP players will put their family name in the second box?

For some reason, we leave Chinese names alone, so they are correctly Chen Kaige, Zhang Yimou etc. (except on IMDb who mess everything up)

which leaves to another bit of confusion I've also noticed we don't tend to switch the Chinese and Korean names around the way we do Japanese ones 0_o.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 11:36am by Tweezle120


Just a theory: This may-may-may-may have something to do with the higher population of South Koreans and Chinese within the United States (and therefore: the west in general.)

The largest International population at my school is South Korean and I do not overhear them refer to one another by surname. So my guess is that it's a "When in Rome..." approach to culture. That simply may be true for the population at large. But again, just a theory.
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I was thinking back to some beta video I've seen, and it seems that the names are set up in western fashion, with surname last.
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#75 Aug 03 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I was wondering how they'd set it up too but it seems that they're definitely using surname second.

Although, I wonder if the JP client does surname first. That could be confusing to deal with in terms of tells though.
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Im not really ordering for the Sooner days, i want eth extra stuff it comes with :), except the onion helm.. dont really want it :P
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Yeah, I was wondering how they'd set it up too but it seems that they're definitely using surname second.

Although, I wonder if the JP client does surname first. That could be confusing to deal with in terms of tells though.


There may be a way for a #tag to be used. Like name:Mikhalia may draw up a directory of online people with the name for translation/accurate spelling. Or perhaps it'll bring up someone of that name from your friends' list.

That's assuming that you see many common surnames. I don't know how many intelligible and appealing names a generator can pour out.
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I'm not sure if it will be that much of a head start...but i'm going to get the collector's simply because the content pays for itself. One month free + friend trial is already ~$26...which is pretty much the cost difference between the games lol.
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I'm not sure if it will be that much of a head start...but i'm going to get the collector's simply because the content pays for itself. One month free + friend trial is already ~$26...which is pretty much the cost difference between the games lol.


I believe you get the free month with either version, since that's standard for most MMOs.
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its an advantage to all of us, they are splitting the initial player zerg into two separate days


Exactly! This is the main purpose, yes?

OP, I doubt anyone will gain much advantage in the sense you are asking. You mean some kind of economic advantage? Anyone that could gain an economic advantage in just 8 days is going obtain that advantage merely by the rate at which they play - i.e. too much (I say enviously). 8 days is a drop in the ocean compared to FFXIV's expected life span.

While I doubt experiencing the Day 1 mayhem counts as an advantage, it does promise to be exhilarating!
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I'm getting CE to play 8 days earlier. Sooner to start the sooner I learn the UI and controls. Exploring and leveling up those first 8 days doesn't hurt either.

16oz Redbulls = checked
Bagel Bites = checked
Chain smoking readiness = checked
3 vacation days = checked

All I need now is the game and I'll be good for a months on end. =)


Forgot the air freshener for company if anybody dares intrupt you playing (or baseballbat)
waterproof keyboard/mouse covers for if you feel like taking a shower.
or a slave for 3 days to cater to your every whim so you dont have to take a break.
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I'm getting CE to play 8 days earlier. Sooner to start the sooner I learn the UI and controls. Exploring and leveling up those first 8 days doesn't hurt either.

16oz Redbulls = checked
Bagel Bites = checked
Chain smoking readiness = checked
3 vacation days = checked

All I need now is the game and I'll be good for a months on end. =)


Forgot the air freshener for company if anybody dares intrupt you playing (or baseballbat)
waterproof keyboard/mouse covers for if you feel like taking a shower.
or a slave for 3 days to cater to your every whim so you dont have to take a break.


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Anaris85 wrote:
I'm getting CE to play 8 days earlier. Sooner to start the sooner I learn the UI and controls. Exploring and leveling up those first 8 days doesn't hurt either.

16oz Redbulls = checked
Bagel Bites = checked
Chain smoking readiness = checked
3 vacation days = checked

All I need now is the game and I'll be good for a months on end. =)


Just reading about other peoples' smoking habits makes me want a smoke. :(
Also: Bagel bites are delicious with hummus.
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I'm getting CE to play 8 days earlier. Sooner to start the sooner I learn the UI and controls. Exploring and leveling up those first 8 days doesn't hurt either.

16oz Redbulls = checked
Bagel Bites = checked
Chain smoking readiness = checked
3 vacation days = checked

All I need now is the game and I'll be good for a months on end. =)


Just reading about other peoples' smoking habits makes me want a smoke. :(
Also: Bagel bites are delicious with hummus.


I'm so bad about that. I try to force myself outside for every smoke, but if I get to playing a game or doing anything on the computer, I will sit here and chainsmoke the **** outta those things. Add jager to the redbulls and that sounds more like it...
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Anaris85 wrote:
I'm getting CE to play 8 days earlier. Sooner to start the sooner I learn the UI and controls. Exploring and leveling up those first 8 days doesn't hurt either.

16oz Redbulls = checked
Bagel Bites = checked
Chain smoking readiness = checked
3 vacation days = checked

All I need now is the game and I'll be good for a months on end. =)


Just reading about other peoples' smoking habits makes me want a smoke. :(
Also: Bagel bites are delicious with hummus.


I'm so bad about that. I try to force myself outside for every smoke, but if I get to playing a game or doing anything on the computer, I will sit here and chainsmoke the **** outta those things. Add jager to the redbulls and that sounds more like it...


Mmm jager bombs
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I'm going to go ahead and plays devil's advocate here. I see alot of people saying things like "I'll be getting it early so I have time to get familiar with the character creator", or "to craft and explore", or my favorite, "to get familiar with the controls".

Now this is all well and good but in all honesty is a big load of crap. Craft with what money? Explore at level 1? Get familiar with controls for more than what, 10 minutes? The only reason everyone who is getting the 8 days is so they can get as far as they can in levels. You can't unlock any more content, crafts, areas without doing that so 95% of the people getting in early will be grinding as fast as they can. Happens with every MMO and this is no exception. The fields will be littered with people killing stuff.
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I'm going to go ahead and plays devil's advocate here. I see alot of people saying things like "I'll be getting it early so I have time to get familiar with the character creator", or "to craft and explore", or my favorite, "to get familiar with the controls".

Now this is all well and good but in all honesty is a big load of crap. Craft with what money? Explore at level 1? Get familiar with controls for more than what, 10 minutes? The only reason everyone who is getting the 8 days is so they can get as far as they can in levels. You can't unlock any more content, crafts, areas without doing that so 95% of the people getting in early will be grinding as fast as they can. Happens with every MMO and this is no exception. The fields will be littered with people killing stuff.


Craft with the stuff we get for quests as crafters ( or buying from gatherers)
HEck yeah exploring at level 1! its great! go into super hard areas and get opur butts kicked! its acually fun!
But yeah alot of people will be doing waht they can to get ahead of everybody else. But still dosnt mean its everybodys plan. Some people just want early to be early , others also just want to start for the reasons they said.

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TwistedOwl wrote:
Nonagon wrote:
Anaris85 wrote:
I'm getting CE to play 8 days earlier. Sooner to start the sooner I learn the UI and controls. Exploring and leveling up those first 8 days doesn't hurt either.

16oz Redbulls = checked
Bagel Bites = checked
Chain smoking readiness = checked
3 vacation days = checked

All I need now is the game and I'll be good for a months on end. =)


Just reading about other peoples' smoking habits makes me want a smoke. :(
Also: Bagel bites are delicious with hummus.


I'm so bad about that. I try to force myself outside for every smoke, but if I get to playing a game or doing anything on the computer, I will sit here and chainsmoke the **** outta those things. Add jager to the redbulls and that sounds more like it...


Both my homes aren't my own so I can't smoke inside. Though I do smoke inside my car and I have learned veerryyy quickly that it is a bad, bad idea.
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My rules on smoking is this:

1.DO NOT SMOKE AROUND CHILDREN,my younger brother is the exception to this, he's an *** at times and will be 18 in a few months. I'm sure he's been exposed to much worse than tobacco at this point in time.

2. Ask before lighting up around people if not in a smoking area or in someone's home, being polite and courteous will get you far in life.

3. Do not chuck your butts anywhere but an ashtray or garbage receptacle(make sure its out first...). This is more of an extension of rule 2, don't litter. I personally have a small portable ashtray, a bit of a leftover of college since the campus had only 2 smoking areas on opposite ends of the school with the majority of the classrooms on one side and while smokers are a minority, we weren't in that school. It's not fun to be huddled around one ashtray under a bus stop booth thing.

4. Try to smoke in moderation, not just for the health benefits but to prevent a hit to your wallet. I live in good ole 'tax the living **** out of you' New York, our habit isn't cheap anymore and NY can't figure a **** budget without taxing the **** out of the middle and lower class.
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Worse part about my chain smoking during a good session of gaming. I light up a cigarette, but then get caught up with something in the game. By the time I reach for my cigarette it's almost done. Sad Panda!!
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A month ago people were saying the six month release delay for the PS3 is no disadvantage at all.

Now there's confusion about eight days? How can eight days possibly be an advantage if six months isn't? Double standard?


In a game based on PvE the only advantages to be gained are time and pleasure. The only thing getting in early and getting ahead in a craft or money source gains is time. The players that come in later will face the same trials with one exception. These people won't be playing on a fresh market. There will already be a supply available so their things might not sell as quickly. That could slow down their progress but that's about it.

Getting higher level sooner than others doesn't matter much to me. To some it does, but to me it matters very little. The game is PvE so I really don't care to be the first to cap anything. I'll take my time to enjoy the smell of what flowers I might find.

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I say, of course it's an advantage, even if a little one. 8 days gives you time to come to grips with mechanics, controls, NPC locations, zones etc. etc... Not huge I know, but it will certainly give you an edge for a bit.
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Being able to play 8 days early will be an advantage for some people. Especially, people that were in beta. These individuals will have a greater knowledge of the UI, gameplay, low level quests, etc and and understanding of every things are.

An early start is, also, an advantage for individuals who consider themselves power gamers. People who will rush thru cutscenes and level as fast as they can. For they believe getting to the level cap or whatever is what makes the game fun for them.

In the end, it comes down to how one's approach to the game. Some want to get going as soon as possible. Some like to take their time and absorb everything the game has to offer. To each is his own.

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#94 Aug 04 2010 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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#95 Aug 04 2010 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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No..if this was a pvp game maybe but ive pre-ordered the CE because like lots of people i just cant wait to start this game!
I intend to take my time and really explore and try-out stuff so it will be quite easy for others to quickly overtake my, 8 days start or no.

Also in other games ive often wanted to start as soon as possible in order to get my fave name, but with the whole two name thing thats no longer an issue :)
#96 Aug 04 2010 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd say it depends on what your definition of "advantage" is tbh.

Personally I don't think I will get the CE, simply because if there is one thing I can't stand, it is bugs. I know I'd love to get my hands on the game a week in advance for sure, but I don't mind waiting that extra week if it means I can avoid some of the server crashes, bugs and whatnot else that might mess up the experience. I am sure I will get my fair share of that anyway, but I hope to minimize it.

We will see though, I hope for everyones sake SE has done a super job and problems are kept under control (Maybe they can set a new standard for how mmo- releases should be so we can start to get away from this "well it is an mmo- so it is okay that the first month is crap, it will ge patched" idea).

So for me I doubt it would be an "advantage", but I am sure most people here feel differently. In the end I believe those who think they will get an advantage (W/e their definition might be) out of the eight day headstart, will get the CE, those who don't think so will get the regular version (Unless they want something else from the CE of course).
#97 Aug 04 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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I bought the CE mainly for the extras. 8 days isn't huge to me as I am a casual gamer, maybe 2 hours a day. I think I posted this earlier but this game isn't a race. If it lasts as long as XI (which it will), there will be plenty of time to lvl and enjoy the game.
#98 Aug 04 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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All this really does is spread out the rush at start, the hard core folks will be past the first zone before the masses come in :)

Me - I want to craft enough so that I can have goods to sell to the masses that show up :)
#99 Aug 04 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Default
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My question is do you actually have full free 30 days to play, knowing that SE charges every 1st of the month. Since the game comes out on the 22nd would'nt that mean you only have 9 days of free play instead of 30, before actually being charge? When i started my ffxi accounts they were in the middle of the months and i never receive a full 30 days free trail, in fact that when i spoke to them and they told me i was going to be billed regardless cause they charge at the end of the month, so i only ended up with 10 days of free play instead of 30 days.
#100 Aug 04 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I remember reading somewhere on here that they are going to use a 30 day model instead of a calender month model, so, yes, you'll get a full 30 days free.
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#101 Aug 07 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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i dont think you can get much for the 8 days head start. but maybe its a little advantage on getting to a high level for those hardcord gamers. haha
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