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#102 Aug 04 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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I can guarantee shunning them will not keep them around period. This is a great opportunity for Zam to become even more well known and used for FFXIV. Don't ruin that based on selfish entitlement.

Well to be quite honest I think the point is that not every one cares if people who only showed up to get goodies stick around or not. This sub site has been here for over a year now and it's going to be here for a LONG LONG time to come. I probably don't speak for everyone, but I'd like for the people who stick around to be the people who like the game and want to contribute to the community, not just take from it. I'm sure that among the hundreds or thousands of new apps, there will be some great people who will stick around, but how many?


Not everyone who wants a beta key wants to "take" from the community. Lets be honest; EVERYONE wants a beta key, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to grab and bail.
lets say someone was searching for a way to get a beta key and managed to pull up this site. They then register and apply for the beta key. While applying they see a community for this game starting to develop and want to be a part of it, as well as read and contribute to the information already here.


You only have 9 posts, but that still gives you 8 more posts than most of the 1 post accounts will ever have here.

If someone was genuinely like "Hey, Zam, cool!" and is going to be posting here and using the site, then I welcome them.

If someone just came here for a key and to leave whether they get one or not... Well, I won't lose any sleep if they don't get one.

Whenever we get a new poster, I do genuinely hope they stick around. But realistically, we know that nearly all of the new accounts created on 8/4 will not post again. I'd just like to see the keys go to the people that support the site, whether they have 10 posts or 100 posts or 1000 posts or 10,000 posts. If you joined this site today (8/4) and are planning to stick around, then yeah, I wish you the best of luck at getting a key.
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#103 Aug 04 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Seeing how the thread grew so fast. I'd expect at least a 1/3 of the posts are from the same people with different email addresses and new accounts. Its like a lottery, people are making sure they have a better chance then the rest. I dont think their is a way for ZAM to figure out who has more then 1 account or not. So, I'd that the account would have to be at least a week old before the giveaway was announced.
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#104 Aug 05 2010 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
Holy...

I just checked out the WoW Cataclysm Beta Giveaway thread over in the WoW forums. 7167 replies. Smiley: jawdrop
Their contest ran from 7-26 to 8-02. I wonder how our contest here will fare?
#105 Aug 05 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Holy...

I just checked out the WoW Cataclysm Beta Giveaway thread over in the WoW forums. 7167 replies. Smiley: jawdrop
Their contest ran from 7-26 to 8-02. I wonder how our contest here will fare?


This will slow down quite a bit after the first 48 hours.
#106 Aug 05 2010 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Holy...

I just checked out the WoW Cataclysm Beta Giveaway thread over in the WoW forums. 7167 replies. Smiley: jawdrop
Their contest ran from 7-26 to 8-02. I wonder how our contest here will fare?

Ah we have about 2000 posts in there so far. It hasn't even been 24 hours since it started yet! xD So what, they had 7 days and only got 7167? Ahaha ahaha! >:P
#107 Aug 05 2010 at 2:51 AM Rating: Decent
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MokiSunscar wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Holy...

I just checked out the WoW Cataclysm Beta Giveaway thread over in the WoW forums. 7167 replies. Smiley: jawdrop
Their contest ran from 7-26 to 8-02. I wonder how our contest here will fare?

Ah we have about 2000 posts in there so far. It hasn't even been 24 hours since it started yet! xD So what, they had 7 days and only got 7167? Ahaha ahaha! >:P


There will probably be a lot in the beggining 24 hours, not much in the middle, then a TON in the last 24 hours...I'm betting there'll be about 5k unless other websites (like ign, 1up, etc) start posting that this contest is going on, then I'm not too sure on what'll happen, but it wont' be pretty.
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#108 Aug 05 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have mixed feelings. You guys do not want to alienate legit new posters. For people who say "I have been a poster for 6 years I deserve a invite over someone newer" feels kinda selfish. I do agree long term posters do in fact deserve to be recognized but EVERYONE wants to try this game out. One thing Ive learned from the work force. Promotions are not given based on seniority (posts) but rather performance and dedication (whether you've been with the company for 3 months or 3 years). Everyone should just be happy we got an extra chance to be selected.
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#110 Aug 05 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.

I agree. The same thing is happening at ffxivcore. I've been viewing that site for months, but never posted. Should I be excluded from their contest for this?


I wonder how many of those 1 posters don't have a NA SE account? Would they still get an invite?

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 11:32am by AngusX
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#111 Aug 05 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.


With all due respect, I disagree.

If you created an account to come here and be part of the Zam community, then we'd love to have you stick around, and indeed I do wish you the best of luck. If, however, you only created an account at zam so that you could get beta access from zam, and you plan to leave immediately after and never come back whether you get in or not...

All I'm saying is, you wouldn't just wander into a wedding reception or church banquet and try to grab some food and leave without sticking around to socialize, why should this be any different?

Again, not trying to be rude or anything, but I hope it goes to someone else who -will- stick around.

The beta account should be a reward to people who want to be contributing members to the Zam community. Whether that means you joined 6 years ago or you just joined yesterday, that shouldn't matter so long as you'll still be here on the 12th.
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I just wish the socks got banned, anyone trying to do that doesn't deserve a key. I don't care about anything else, it cant be 100% fair, its too unrealistic to try enforce that.
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#113 Aug 05 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.

I agree. The same thing is happening at ffxivcore. I've been viewing that site for months, but never posted. Should I be excluded from their contest for this?


To be blunt: Yes, you should.

I haven't signed up for a chance at the beta at FFXIVCore because Alla is my one stop shop for all things FFXIV. I'm not going to double dip on other sites I don't visit and don't plan to visit. It's not fair to their members to have someone who has never been there and never plans to return compete against them.

I should be excluded from Eorzeapedia and FFXIVCore's giveaway and so should anyone else who only uses Zam.
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#114 Aug 05 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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I just wish the socks got banned, anyone trying to do that doesn't deserve a key. I don't care about anything else, it cant be 100% fair, its too unrealistic to try enforce that.


Kao is pretty good at sock checking people. I'm sure that before the beta passes are handed out, he'll give all the potential winners with low post counts the boot.
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#115 Aug 05 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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edrikthorn wrote:
Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.

I remember seeing something somewhere...

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Winners will be randomly drawn and notified via email after closing.

As long as this is actually what will happen, I don't see the point of debating who deserves beta key and who doesn't. Just remove the socks and wish everyone good luck.

Mikhalia wrote:
I haven't signed up for a chance at the beta at FFXIVCore because Alla is my one stop shop for all things FFXIV. I'm not going to double dip on other sites I don't visit and don't plan to visit. It's not fair to their members to have someone who has never been there and never plans to return compete against them.

This.

I also have an account on Eorzopedia but didn't enter their contest, because I hardly post on that site and feel those people who are long-time users there deserve the chance more than I do.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 2:58pm by uomaru
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#116 Aug 05 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
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edrikthorn wrote:
Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.

I agree. The same thing is happening at ffxivcore. I've been viewing that site for months, but never posted. Should I be excluded from their contest for this?


To be blunt: Yes, you should.

I haven't signed up for a chance at the beta at FFXIVCore because Alla is my one stop shop for all things FFXIV. I'm not going to double dip on other sites I don't visit and don't plan to visit. It's not fair to their members to have someone who has never been there and never plans to return compete against them.

I should be excluded from Eorzeapedia and FFXIVCore's giveaway and so should anyone else who only uses Zam.


Well, I guess we're lucky that Alla plans to do something for those who do work hard on these forums. For the record, I think people like you and Aur (where the **** is Aur, anyways?) and a few others deserve a key for all your contributions.
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#118 Aug 05 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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For me, postcounts should be irrelevant if the person in question is a constructive member. I also don't support the idea that someone with thousands of posts should have more opportunity than someone with hundreds or less; longesvity should be the deal breaker. People may just have less to add, less time to post, or come here mostly to read stuff.

And to be a little controversial here; the competition is for FFXIV beta keys. The idea is to let fans get in and help with the beta, not 'ZAM fans'. Whilst I completely understand how the regulars here feel (and when I've been here a few months, I'll consider myself a regular too), the competition is about the game and the fans, not about a certain collection of said fans. Yes, this is the forum for the competition, and yes more members would be fantastic, but I don't feel that selection should be constrained to certain members only, otherwise why is it even public?

So yes, I am against sock accounts, and yes I'd love to see more and more people join in on the forums here, but no I don't have a problem with someone with one post getting a beta key while a regular doesn't.

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#119 Aug 05 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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AngusX wrote:
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edrikthorn wrote:
Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.

I agree. The same thing is happening at ffxivcore. I've been viewing that site for months, but never posted. Should I be excluded from their contest for this?


To be blunt: Yes, you should.

I haven't signed up for a chance at the beta at FFXIVCore because Alla is my one stop shop for all things FFXIV. I'm not going to double dip on other sites I don't visit and don't plan to visit. It's not fair to their members to have someone who has never been there and never plans to return compete against them.

I should be excluded from Eorzeapedia and FFXIVCore's giveaway and so should anyone else who only uses Zam.


Well, I guess we're lucky that Alla plans to do something for those who do work hard on these forums. For the record, I think people like you and Aur (where the **** is Aur, anyways?) and a few others deserve a key for all your contributions.


Aur seems to have vanished. He wasn't muted/banned, he just stopped posting. Not sure why.
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I think people like you and Aur (where the **** is Aur, anyways?) and a few others deserve a key for all your contributions.


I asked the same question the other day. Someone said they thought they remembered him getting banned or muted a little while back. *shrugs*

EDIT: Guess that was just misinformation.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 2:58pm by Eske
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#121 Aug 05 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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I try to look at it as if 'I' was giving out Beta keys to people on my site, who would my preference be?
I understand that a fair approach must be taken, but which sounds more fair to you? Two options...

1. Longtime users and supporters and donators to the site. People who actively post and make the forums an interesting place to learn and share ideas. These are the people who make all you 'lurkers' visit the site.

2. 1 post count posters. Sure, they may stay a while on the site and be good posters in the future. I'm sure there will be many good people that stay and post with the release of a new and exciting game. But if you asked me how many of the 1500 or so 1 post wonders so far that have applied, I would say a very small percentage will stay and become part of the community here.

Either way, it's not a huge deal, the next phase of beta won't come out for a week or two, at which point there will only be about a month to wait for the Sept 22nd CE release.

On a side note, it's funny to see people post that they've been a member for 5-6 years with <10 posts, trying to give themselves props for being a longtime member like they are more deserving than someone who signed up yesterday. Just sayin'. =)
#122 Aug 05 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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I peronally only post if its something that I think is really really important. I never had the need before now to make an account. This does not mean that I will not use it after this. Like I said before, I have been checking on the info and reading through many posts, so I have been active, I just don't post. And the socializing bit, I do it in game.


Lurk less, post more. As I said in the other thread, no one is going to bite your head off for doing so. :)
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#123 Aug 05 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, to the people in Europe ****** that this is an NA only contest, they did give away EU accounts already on German and French sites...


I always thought Allakhazam was a truly international and friendly site. But apparently non-Americans are considered second-rate posters...
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#124 Aug 05 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Also, to the people in Europe ****** that this is an NA only contest, they did give away EU accounts already on German and French sites...


I always thought Allakhazam was a truly international and friendly site. But apparently non-Americans are considered second-rate posters...


You do realize the terms of the Beta Giveaway are set by SE, right? It wasn't ZAM's choice not to include EU SE accounts.
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I am a new poster to this site, and I just wanted to put my heartfelt 2 cents in here. I did sign up for the beta key giveaway yes, and it's a truly great and I'm sure very appreciated gesture from Zam. The keys were given to the forum sites to promote the FFXIV COMMUNITY as a whole. As many have stated they watch this site and many others every day, for just the tiniest bit of info on a game that they love dearly.

I do understand the hurt felt by non-NA posters, but as others have stated they did have a giveaway previously. I also understand that longtime posters may feel slighted, but does that mean you love FFXIV more than a new poster? Maybe a longtime poster here played FFXI for a year, or hasn't played any MMO's before. Should they be taken out of consideration? How do you gauge how strongly someone feels for FFXIV? This website forum along with the others, have received this giveaway to promote communication and love for FFXIV. Judging from the hits on all of them they have done just that. Yes I agree some may be sock puppets, and for that they should be ashamed. I just wish fairness for all that LOVE FFXIV, and I wish to all legitimate new or old posters a very wholehearted Good Luck! :)

As Pikko stated, the creation of a forum account is the 1st hurdle. Many have sat up and said OMG I'm get off my lazy **** and creat an account now! Now that they have done that and it is behind them, I'm sure you will see many new posts constructive or trolled lol.

Please don't flame me for an opinion. This is my 1st few posts on Zam. Constructive criticism or debate is always welcome, and forgive me for the long tirade on this subject. NDA is still in effect and this does get ppl buzzing in a positive direction. I commend Zam and the other forum sites on how they have handled this giveaway. I know it cannot be an easy task, and to just give to buddies or friends would always be the easy opt out.

Everyone should just welcome new FFXIV community members that they may or may not known had existed. Share the love of the game that we all fondly know of as FFXIV, and dont hate!

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I peronally only post if its something that I think is really really important. I never had the need before now to make an account. This does not mean that I will not use it after this. Like I said before, I have been checking on the info and reading through many posts, so I have been active, I just don't post. And the socializing bit, I do it in game.


Just to play a little devil's advocate...

You're saying you've never had anything constructive or important to post?

It's kind of like me saying... "Hello mister Louis Vuitton merchant... if you give me a free handbag, I promise I'll be loyal to your brand in the future"
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I peronally only post if its something that I think is really really important. I never had the need before now to make an account. This does not mean that I will not use it after this. Like I said before, I have been checking on the info and reading through many posts, so I have been active, I just don't post. And the socializing bit, I do it in game.


Lurk less, post more. As I said in the other thread, no one is going to bite your head off for doing so. :)


For you it's the contrary. Post less, lurk more ;)
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For me, postcounts should be irrelevant if the person in question is a constructive member. I also don't support the idea that someone with thousands of posts should have more opportunity than someone with hundreds or less; longesvity should be the deal breaker. People may just have less to add, less time to post, or come here mostly to read stuff.

And to be a little controversial here; the competition is for FFXIV beta keys. The idea is to let fans get in and help with the beta, not 'ZAM fans'. Whilst I completely understand how the regulars here feel (and when I've been here a few months, I'll consider myself a regular too), the competition is about the game and the fans, not about a certain collection of said fans. Yes, this is the forum for the competition, and yes more members would be fantastic, but I don't feel that selection should be constrained to certain members only, otherwise why is it even public?

So yes, I am against sock accounts, and yes I'd love to see more and more people join in on the forums here, but no I don't have a problem with someone with one post getting a beta key while a regular doesn't.

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1) I agree that constructiveness should be important, and this is coming from someone who is only outshined by two other people (Quor and Pikko) in terms of post count on the XIV board :) I never said that people with more posts should get preference, just that people who are helpful should. Without regards to me getting in or not, there are a few people around here that are not me that I think deserve a shot at beta, just because they're helpful, constructive, genuinely nice people who are contributing members of the ZAM community. Contributing member doesn't have to mean you flood the wikibase with great pictures or make keyboard time apps (although don't let me discourage you from doing so!) but just so long as you have something noteworthy to say, and can say it constructively, then your opinion isn't unwelcome, post count be damned.

2) I disagree on this point. Just because it's a public giveaway shouldn't mean that anyone can walk off the street, win, and leave. Consider a group's raffle, like a church social or an IOOF raffle or some other fraternity group raffle. If people want to JOIN your group, then of course they're welcome. but if someone is just coming in to buy a ticket stub to try to win something and leave... Well, that's another matter.

3) Agree on being anti-sock and that socks should disqualify you from winning. Agree to disagree on the notion that people who make one post and will check back to see if they've won on the 11th should even have a fair chance. The contest rules disagree with me, but that's my opinion.

And no, I'm certainly not going to rate you down for disagreeing with me. It's a forum, you're allowed to do that :) The only people I like to rate down are the people who spout off crap with no supporting belief or fact to support it.

A) "I think FFXIV should be pushed back till they can release both at the same time, because that way everyone would have an equal footing on day one, instead of being unfair to the PS3 users."

Disagree, but not going to rate that down; it's a valid point with a reason.

b) "pc sux and u should hav 2 wait till ps3 b4 u can play"

Still disagree, but rate down because it's unintelligible, has no supporting reasons, and is just flamebait.

People need to start using the rating system based on the quality of posts and not as a like/dislike system. This isn't Facebook.

But I digress...
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I peronally only post if its something that I think is really really important. I never had the need before now to make an account. This does not mean that I will not use it after this. Like I said before, I have been checking on the info and reading through many posts, so I have been active, I just don't post. And the socializing bit, I do it in game.


Lurk less, post more. As I said in the other thread, no one is going to bite your head off for doing so. :)


For you it's the contrary. Post less, lurk more ;)


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#130 Aug 05 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Its not fair though to not give a beta key to people that have just made an account for the giveaway. I have played FFXI for a long time and have been reading all about FFXIV since the beginning. I just dont like posting or creating an account that Im not going to need or use.

I agree. The same thing is happening at ffxivcore. I've been viewing that site for months, but never posted. Should I be excluded from their contest for this?


To be blunt: Yes, you should.

I haven't signed up for a chance at the beta at FFXIVCore because Alla is my one stop shop for all things FFXIV. I'm not going to double dip on other sites I don't visit and don't plan to visit. It's not fair to their members to have someone who has never been there and never plans to return compete against them.

I should be excluded from Eorzeapedia and FFXIVCore's giveaway and so should anyone else who only uses Zam.


I am in the same boat, and feel exactly the same way. This is my home for FFXIV and this is the only place I've signed up for a chance at a beta key. I would honestly feel bad winning a key from FFXIVcore or Eorzepedia because I just go there to check the front page and then come back to ZAM to actually communicate with people. I'm sure those are fine sites with fine communities of their own but this is my home for FFXIV. The more people that join the community here, the better it can become, but signing up for a contest is not the same as joining the community.




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Lurk less, post more. As I said in the other thread, no one is going to bite your head off for doing so. :)


Maybe not on the gen discussion board, but I had my face bit off several times on the server boards for FFXI when I was still playing XD

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I try to look at it as if 'I' was giving out Beta keys to people on my site, who would my preference be?
I understand that a fair approach must be taken, but which sounds more fair to you? Two options...

1. Longtime users and supporters and donators to the site. People who actively post and make the forums an interesting place to learn and share ideas. These are the people who make all you 'lurkers' visit the site.

2. 1 post count posters. Sure, they may stay a while on the site and be good posters in the future. I'm sure there will be many good people that stay and post with the release of a new and exciting game. But if you asked me how many of the 1500 or so 1 post wonders so far that have applied, I would say a very small percentage will stay and become part of the community here.

Either way, it's not a huge deal, the next phase of beta won't come out for a week or two, at which point there will only be about a month to wait for the Sept 22nd CE release.

On a side note, it's funny to see people post that they've been a member for 5-6 years with <10 posts, trying to give themselves props for being a longtime member like they are more deserving than someone who signed up yesterday. Just sayin'. =)


Honestly, and I say this as someone who isn't a premium member (not because I don't want to be, but because I can't afford it), if it were up to me, I'd give the accounts to premium members first. Just sayin'

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Also, to the people in Europe ****** that this is an NA only contest, they did give away EU accounts already on German and French sites...


I always thought Allakhazam was a truly international and friendly site. But apparently non-Americans are considered second-rate posters...


You do realize the terms of the Beta Giveaway are set by SE, right? It wasn't ZAM's choice not to include EU SE accounts.


This. Zam/Pikko have nothing to do with it. It's extremely unfortunate that Zam is limited to NA regions, but that's on SE's end, not here.
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I peronally only post if its something that I think is really really important. I never had the need before now to make an account. This does not mean that I will not use it after this. Like I said before, I have been checking on the info and reading through many posts, so I have been active, I just don't post. And the socializing bit, I do it in game.


Just to play a little devil's advocate...

You're saying you've never had anything constructive or important to post?

It's kind of like me saying... "Hello mister Louis Vuitton merchant... if you give me a free handbag, I promise I'll be loyal to your brand in the future"


No it's not, it's like saying, "Let me watch the first 15 minutes of your movie, and if I like it, I'll pay for the ticket."
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Lurk less, post more. As I said in the other thread, no one is going to bite your head off for doing so. :)


Maybe not on the gen discussion board, but I had my face bit off several times on the server boards for FFXI when I was still playing XD

Perhaps I shouldn't have used my character name as my ZAM name :P


I stand behind anything I say, no matter how asinine and insipid it may be at points. Haters gonna hate. :)

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I am a new poster to this site, and I just wanted to put my heartfelt 2 cents in here. I did sign up for the beta key giveaway yes, and it's a truly great and I'm sure very appreciated gesture from Zam. The keys were given to the forum sites to promote the FFXIV COMMUNITY as a whole. As many have stated they watch this site and many others every day, for just the tiniest bit of info on a game that they love dearly.

I do understand the hurt felt by non-NA posters, but as others have stated they did have a giveaway previously. I also understand that longtime posters may feel slighted, but does that mean you love FFXIV more than a new poster? Maybe a longtime poster here played FFXI for a year, or hasn't played any MMO's before. Should they be taken out of consideration? How do you gauge how strongly someone feels for FFXIV? This website forum along with the others, have received this giveaway to promote communication and love for FFXIV. Judging from the hits on all of them they have done just that. Yes I agree some may be sock puppets, and for that they should be ashamed. I just wish fairness for all that LOVE FFXIV, and I wish to all legitimate new or old posters a very wholehearted Good Luck! :)

As Pikko stated, the creation of a forum account is the 1st hurdle. Many have sat up and said OMG I'm get off my lazy **** and creat an account now! Now that they have done that and it is behind them, I'm sure you will see many new posts constructive or trolled lol.

Please don't flame me for an opinion. This is my 1st few posts on Zam. Constructive criticism or debate is always welcome, and forgive me for the long tirade on this subject. NDA is still in effect and this does get ppl buzzing in a positive direction. I commend Zam and the other forum sites on how they have handled this giveaway. I know it cannot be an easy task, and to just give to buddies or friends would always be the easy opt out.

Everyone should just welcome new FFXIV community members that they may or may not known had existed. Share the love of the game that we all fondly know of as FFXIV, and dont hate!

New poster but have watched, lol, agreed, and learned much from this site for who remembers how long.
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Certainly not flaming you for an opinion. The fact that you posted this "long tirade on the subject" at least shows that you -have- an opinion and are going to post it. That's more than I can say for 95% of the one post onders in the beta thread; I not only don't fault you for it, but I welcome it.

I say again, I welcome all the new members this will bring in, in spite of the masses of asses who will never come back.
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I peronally only post if its something that I think is really really important. I never had the need before now to make an account. This does not mean that I will not use it after this. Like I said before, I have been checking on the info and reading through many posts, so I have been active, I just don't post. And the socializing bit, I do it in game.


Just to play a little devil's advocate...

You're saying you've never had anything constructive or important to post?

It's kind of like me saying... "Hello mister Louis Vuitton merchant... if you give me a free handbag, I promise I'll be loyal to your brand in the future"


No it's not, it's like saying, "Let me watch the first 15 minutes of your movie, and if I like it, I'll pay for the ticket."


The beta is not a preview of the game, it's a bug-ridden shell of broken things that need to be fixed.

Also, your analogy implies that new posters would only stick around if they "like the movie", or in this case: if they got beta access, they'll stick around, otherwise they'll leave.

I'd hope that if they like it here, they stick around, regardless of whether they get beta access or not.

I'd also hope that the people who DO get it treat it like a beta -test- and not like a "free sneak peak of the game".
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Honestly, and I say this as someone who isn't a premium member (not because I don't want to be, but because I can't afford it), if it were up to me, I'd give the accounts to premium members first. Just sayin'


Being a non-premium member, I agree with this.
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I think people like you and Aur (where the **** is Aur, anyways?) and a few others deserve a key for all your contributions.


I asked the same question the other day. Someone said they thought they remembered him getting banned or muted a little while back. *shrugs*

EDIT: Guess that was just misinformation.

I'm allowed to be wrong once in a while. :P
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I would have to disagree with the comments that premium members get preferential treatment. If anyone wants to buy their way into the FFXIV beta they can do so. There are a few of the beta access keys out there for sale, to me its just disrespect.

Another forum is doing it same as Zam, random drawing. One is doing it as a gift/rate type system, which is different, but not sure about fairness.

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1) I agree that constructiveness should be important, and this is coming from someone who is only outshined by two other people (Quor and Pikko) in terms of post count on the XIV board :) I never said that people with more posts should get preference, just that people who are helpful should. Without regards to me getting in or not, there are a few people around here that are not me that I think deserve a shot at beta, just because they're helpful, constructive, genuinely nice people who are contributing members of the ZAM community. Contributing member doesn't have to mean you flood the wikibase with great pictures or make keyboard time apps (although don't let me discourage you from doing so!) but just so long as you have something noteworthy to say, and can say it constructively, then your opinion isn't unwelcome, post count be damned.

2) I disagree on this point. Just because it's a public giveaway shouldn't mean that anyone can walk off the street, win, and leave. Consider a group's raffle, like a church social or an IOOF raffle or some other fraternity group raffle. If people want to JOIN your group, then of course they're welcome. but if someone is just coming in to buy a ticket stub to try to win something and leave... Well, that's another matter.

3) Agree on being anti-sock and that socks should disqualify you from winning. Agree to disagree on the notion that people who make one post and will check back to see if they've won on the 11th should even have a fair chance. The contest rules disagree with me, but that's my opinion.

And no, I'm certainly not going to rate you down for disagreeing with me. It's a forum, you're allowed to do that :) The only people I like to rate down are the people who spout off crap with no supporting belief or fact to support it.

A) "I think FFXIV should be pushed back till they can release both at the same time, because that way everyone would have an equal footing on day one, instead of being unfair to the PS3 users."

Disagree, but not going to rate that down; it's a valid point with a reason.

b) "pc sux and u should hav 2 wait till ps3 b4 u can play"

Still disagree, but rate down because it's unintelligible, has no supporting reasons, and is just flamebait.

People need to start using the rating system based on the quality of posts and not as a like/dislike system. This isn't Facebook.

But I digress...


1. Agreed, and just so you know my post wasn't aimed specifically at you for your postcount, as it's quite obvious you go into the constructive posters pile (so to speak) regardless of your postcount (though, your postcount did inspire my train of thought). But there are other forums I've been a part of where the highest posters were far from the most constructive, usually people with too much spare time who posted mostly off topic. My point was that you don't have to post lots to be constructive, and you agreed so I'm not sure why I'm still typing!

2. I do see your point of view. But I think that SE chose sites like this and Core because they reach the biggest audiences, it's beneficial all around for them to see the numbers and for them to try and attract more people to the biggest forums, think of them as 'catchment areas'. That sounds a little like SE are 'using' the sites, but at the end of the day they are advertising the game best online at the moment, and to them a beta tester is a beta tester (it'd be great if they were all constructive too, and following the instructions rather than simply playing the game, but life doesn't work that way sadly).

Which kind of brings about the folly of the argument to me; again I'm not speaking universally here, but a fair few of the people applying are doing so because they want a headstart, not because they want to help. For me, that's a bigger issue than who gets in; what are the intentions of those that get in?

I agree with you on the ratings as well, just I have seen a few people's intelligent posts rated down rather inanely, and my post might have been construed as anti-ZAM (which wasn't the intention obviously).
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You realize most businesses give preferential treatment to longtime loyal customers right?
It's good business.

Buy 10 subs, get 1 free at Subway!

Car dealerships will lower your finance payments for longtime loyal customers.

Just a couple examples... I could probably go on forever.
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I think people like you and Aur (where the **** is Aur, anyways?) and a few others deserve a key for all your contributions.


I asked the same question the other day. Someone said they thought they remembered him getting banned or muted a little while back. *shrugs*

EDIT: Guess that was just misinformation.

I'm allowed to be wrong once in a while. :P


****, neither would have surprised me. He was flirting with a mute in at least a few threads last I recall. It's also conceivable that he got tired of whatever was continually irking him here and just up and left.
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I can't wait til the game comes out so we have more useful things to discuss, like why crafting is so awesome.

Edit: I got tired of not having an avatar. I hope people love Kefka as much as I do.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 3:47pm by KarlHungis
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The beta is not a preview of the game, it's a bug-ridden shell of broken things that need to be fixed.

Agreed

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Also, your analogy implies that new posters would only stick around if they "like the movie", or in this case: if they got beta access, they'll stick around, otherwise they'll leave.

Not what I was going for, sorry if it sounds like that. Just trying to counter the free handbag comment.

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I'd hope that if they like it here, they stick around, regardless of whether they get beta access or not.

Totally agree

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I'd also hope that the people who DO get it treat it like a beta -test- and not like a "free sneak peak of the game".

You know it's a little from column A and a little from column B for this one. I'm sure this round of beta is the start of stress testing, so as long as you log in and use it, you're helping.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 12:49pm by AngusX
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I wanna change the subject for a second and discuss why I'm so lolfail...

1. I wasn't a tarutaru
2. I don't know how to quote properly. Like seriously, for years and years I've tried to figure it out but I just can't. I've always been too embarassed to ask. Someone please tell me! Thank you!
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I can't wait til the game comes out so we have more useful things to discuss, like why crafting is so awesome.

Edit: I got tired of not having an avatar. I hope people love Kefka as much as I do.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 3:47pm by KarlHungis


Indeed, I'm ready to get into the game and start sharing info. Speculation is fun though. Yes, Kefka is awesome. There should be more kefkas running around and less sephiroths.
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I wanna change the subject for a second and discuss why I'm so lolfail...

1. I wasn't a tarutaru
2. I don't know how to quote properly. Like seriously, for years and years I've tried to figure it out but I just can't. I've always been too embarassed to ask. Someone please tell me! Thank you!


When you hit "reply" and the post editor opens up, near the top just below "subject" is a "Markup" with a little hyperlink that says (Quote Original)

Alternatively, you can highlight text that you want to quote, copy-paste it into your post, and then use [quote] text you want to quote [/quote]

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 3:54pm by KarlHungis
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1. Agreed, and just so you know my post wasn't aimed specifically at you for your postcount, as it's quite obvious you go into the constructive posters pile (so to speak) regardless of your postcount (though, your postcount did inspire my train of thought). But there are other forums I've been a part of where the highest posters were far from the most constructive, usually people with too much spare time who posted mostly off topic. My point was that you don't have to post lots to be constructive, and you agreed so I'm not sure why I'm still typing!

2. I do see your point of view. But I think that SE chose sites like this and Core because they reach the biggest audiences, it's beneficial all around for them to see the numbers and for them to try and attract more people to the biggest forums, think of them as 'catchment areas'. That sounds a little like SE are 'using' the sites, but at the end of the day they are advertising the game best online at the moment, and to them a beta tester is a beta tester (it'd be great if they were all constructive too, and following the instructions rather than simply playing the game, but life doesn't work that way sadly).

Which kind of brings about the folly of the argument to me; again I'm not speaking universally here, but a fair few of the people applying are doing so because they want a headstart, not because they want to help. For me, that's a bigger issue than who gets in; what are the intentions of those that get in?

I agree with you on the ratings as well, just I have seen a few people's intelligent posts rated down rather inanely, and my post might have been construed as anti-ZAM (which wasn't the intention obviously).


1) Hey, you can aim whatever you want at me; I can take it :)

2) I see your point. I disagree with "X site giving away keys for FFXIV" vs "SE giving away keys for FFXIV through X site, and using X site as traffic management", but I do see your point.

I agree with the last part, honestly, I think that as soon as you create your character, it should dump you in a medium sized room, say a bar, with 5 things wrong with it and you have to find four. Let's say sitting on a chair makes you sit on the table instead, attempting to open a door and then close it again makes it fall through the floor, bartender's speech has a couple typos.. obvious things that any GOOD bug tester should be able to pick out. I'd rather the keys go to contributing members before one post wonders, but I'd also rather them go to people who are going to TEST the game and not just treat it as a demo version and whine about bugs. Without name dropping, I've been told that the beta forums are apparently ripe with people -whining about- bugs instead of reporting them properly. Apparently the [flawed] notion that the FFXIV beta is/should be a finished product ready for play is a common one, especially given the fairly obvious nature of some of the bugs. Again, I'm not breaking NDA here or name dropping anyone but I've been told about some glitches in beta that anyone should be able to pick out, they're just THAT obvious.

So I would have to say that intentions should weigh more heavily than seniority. If anything, I almost wish one of the questions was "Why are you applying to be a beta tester?" and boot anyone who says **** like "I wanna play the game early". More quality testers means a higher quality finished product. More people diking around means more bugs for paying customers to deal with at release.
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I wanna change the subject for a second and discuss why I'm so lolfail...

1. I wasn't a tarutaru
2. I don't know how to quote properly. Like seriously, for years and years I've tried to figure it out but I just can't. I've always been too embarassed to ask. Someone please tell me! Thank you!


When you hit "reply" and the post editor opens up, near the top just below "subject" is a "Markup" with a little hyperlink that says (Quote Original)

Alternatively, you can highlight text that you want to quote, copy-paste it into your post, and then use [quote] text you want to quote [/quote]

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 3:54pm by KarlHungis


Sweet, yay thank you. I can play on the cool team now! =D
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I for one don't pretend to understand anyone's intentions for getting beta access. There have been stated reasons from, my computer may or may not run it and I want to test it out, to I just want to play with my friends.

The stage that FFXIV is at now in the beta process is almost complete. I would think, and this is just my opinion and I could be wrong, beta testers that get in are mainly for stressing the servers and/or creating more servers.

Bugs will still be found most likely, but more than not prob by accident. Even after release this will continue to happen. It did in FFXI.

In no way, shape, or form do I condone the, "I just wanna play for free mentality."
PPl should report what they find, and do the job as a beta tester. As long as they are being real and constructive. :)

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Have you paid for premium? Avatars are only available for those who pay the premium cost at ZAM. It's far too pricey IMHO.
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