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#1 Aug 04 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't find the post, but is it true that currently, using a gamepad is much better than using a mouse?

Someone also said that they were trying to implement or hope they will implement a fix so people can still use a mouse easily.

Would I be better off just getting a game pad? Which ones have people found they liked?

I played FFXI on the ps2 and didn't mind it, but I don't see a reason why they make it game pad dominant, other than it'll eventually be for the ps2 too, but I don't see why they have to hinder mouse users either.

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 5:14pm by Inevitable7
#2 Aug 04 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I may be wrong but i think its similar to FFXI in that you can play purely by keyboard which is what i prefered to do, but i think they are making so its mostly preference, either or would work just fine.
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#3 Aug 04 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure, but I'm probably gonna play both with keyboard/mouse and gamepad, I have a PS3 controller hooked up and I'll see which way fits me better.

Ultimately, its whatever fits ya best.
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#4 Aug 04 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
Well, with XI, the mouse was completely superfluous. I don't think I used it more than once or twice in the 7'ish years I've played. You just didn't need to, the keyboard commands made up for it.

I think they made XIV's interface so Gamepad-centric because so many people use them in Japan, and SE being a JP company, etc...

There are bound to be changes to the interface from Beta to release, so it's hard to say. That, and it's based largely on your preference.
#5 Aug 04 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks. I am just really used to using mouse + keyboard myself. FFXI was the only MMO I've used a controller/game pad for, and this was 5+ years ago.

I might end up liking the game pad though, if the movement/controls seem too weird with the usual mouse+keyboard setup.
#6 Aug 04 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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From my inquiries into previous topics it seems that either PS3 controller or keyboard only are the preferred methods, the mouse not having a useful contribution to make. THAT said, I heard a rumor that they are trying to improve Mouse controls this time around which will make it more accessible to players coming over from other MMOs.

I'm a bit excited about the drivers for using a PS3 controller with my PC (via usb cable if needed too) because It might be nice to play with a controller.
#7 Aug 04 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you know with the ps3 controllers if you have to buy an adapter, or will it fit in a USB port?
#8 Aug 04 2010 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
Inevitable7 wrote:
Do you know with the ps3 controllers if you have to buy an adapter, or will it fit in a USB port?


You can use USB on your PC. Good luck getting it to work though. No matter which driver/software I download, I cannot get the dang thing to work at all on XP. It recognizes the hardware, but you can't do anything with it.
#9 Aug 04 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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OH no! I run XP and was going to Try this.

Have you tried those? I don't have blue tooth so I have to use USB cables... Could be worth buying a USB blue tooth receiver if THAT will work... square should have the game recognize the pad and have it included =P
#10 Aug 04 2010 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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I actually liked having to only use the keyboard in FFXI. It's a lot more convenient imo. I couldn't use a gamepad since it's slow if you need to type something since you have to put it down, then type on your keyboard, and pick it back up. Having just the keyboard is much more streamlined and quicker to do that. As for the mouse, I would feel like I have less control of my actions without 2 hands on the keyboard so that's just me. Unless the game is played like Counter-Strike or Starcraft then... yeah, the mouse is mandatory. So... keyboard only ftw!
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#11 Aug 04 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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OH no! I run XP and was going to Try this.

Have you tried those? I don't have blue tooth so I have to use USB cables... Could be worth buying a USB blue tooth receiver if THAT will work... square should have the game recognize the pad and have it included =P



Hmm, I haven't tried that one yet. I'll give it a shot here in a while and see what happens Smiley: cool
#12 Aug 04 2010 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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So I take it then, the movement in this game is not going to be a really involved aspect of the game.

With that said, for instance with World of Warcraft (again just an example of mouse + KB).

In arenas, if you do not use a mouse + WASD for movement (yes, both combined for more angled movements instead of the typical N, S, E, W movements with just the WASD) you are at a HUGE disadvantage. Mouse turning is a huge part of PvP and even some PvE encounters, where if you do not use it, you're either dead or the other player is running circles around you. Moving with just your keyboard is just simply not enough to be good.

I realize there has been no talk of any PvP in FFXIV yet, but that isn't what I am getting at.

In terms of boss encounters, or whatever else, if you can get away with JUST the keyboard movement, likely the encounters are not dynamically involved in terms of moving, shifting positions, making sure you are facing certain directions at all times, moving out of AoE's etc.

Again, just speculation but mouse movement adds a lot of depth to movement, whereas just using your typical arrow or WASD keys limit that.

Game pads of course bring more faster movements than a keyboard though. I am just trying to hammer out what I am going to use, if I should go out and buy a game pad etc. If I can get away with just using my keyboard I will likely do that, but if they have encounters where you need rapid turning (with a mouse, maybe a game pad) then I'll go with a game pad.

But here's hoping they figure out how to make using a mouse just as good.
#13 Aug 04 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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heard motionjoy is a good one, too bad i run windows 7 64 bit, gotta go to basically install it each time i turn on the computer... hopefully they'll patch that soon
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#14 Aug 04 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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Well in FFXI you were better off using either just the KB, or a gamepad (and then use the KB to type with).

Up to this point in the beta supposedly the interface is similar to or the same as FFXI.

However, there is some indication that they may allow a more standard MMO mouse control scheme similar to WoW. If they do that and allow rebinding of keys then the game will be easy to control for any one who is used to non S-E MMOs or even FPS games.

Because FFXIV doesn't have any serious PvP elements to it, it's not as big a deal to not have perfect mouse control, but it would still be nice to have and rumor has it they're working on it for Phase 3 of beta.
#15 Aug 04 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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Inevitable7 wrote:
So I take it then, the movement in this game is not going to be a really involved aspect of the game.


What's interesting is that no, movement is REALLY important. You have damage bonuses if you hit a monster from behind, and some skills boost your damage for hitting form behind. But I'm not sure how major, because in all the beta footage I've seen people are not running circles around their enemies, like I would think is advantageous...
#16 Aug 04 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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What's interesting is that no, movement is REALLY important. You have damage bonuses if you hit a monster from behind, and some skills boost your damage for hitting form behind. But I'm not sure how major, because in all the beta footage I've seen people are not running circles around their enemies, like I would think is advantageous...


I also saw game footage at that last game expo showing that mobs might flee when they're low on health. If they catch you flat footed and get away, they'll run to some *friends*.
#17 Aug 04 2010 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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For PC gaming, your best option is probably an XBox 360 controller. They're bloody expensive, though, if you don't already have one.

If you don't need wireless, consider a PS2 to USB adapter. Everybody's got a PS2 controller lying around.

A PS3 controller is another good alternative. If you've got XP, this is pretty straightforward (I used to have a little file called ps3sixaxis_en.exe that I ran every time I wanted to use the controller. You can probably find it online if you look).

Unfortunately, Sony refuses to release an official driver for its controllers. This means that if you're using Win 7, the motioninjoy software is your only option. This is a nightmare, and I don't recommend even trying. You need to get around the OS's driver signature enforcement (which typically means permanently putting your system into "Test Mode") and then you still have to deal with the bloated, buggy, ad-spamming mess that is motioninjoy.

But SE is improving the game's mouse controls soon, so you might not need a controller after all.
#18 Aug 04 2010 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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i hope they have mouse controls like all the newer mmorpg has, i myself is a so called mouse point and click user, its so much easier to mulitask with mouse and keypad then just keypad alone, mouse for movement, targeting, changing camra angle, tag/mark targets. I dont like using tab to switch targets because it doesnt always get to the target i need right away(most target swtich buttons are tab button, which cycles thur mobs thats nearest to furthest,) being able to click menus/skill bars is very helpful too. well i havent played the game so i dont know what kind of controls they are using
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#19 Aug 04 2010 at 9:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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For PC gaming, your best option is probably an XBox 360 controller. They're bloody expensive, though, if you don't already have one


I bought one a few years ago for XI, think I paid 50ish for it on sale. Works great, but I would suggest getting a rechargeable battery pack for it...it chews through regular batteries.
#20 Aug 05 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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heard motionjoy is a good one, too bad i run windows 7 64 bit, gotta go to basically install it each time i turn on the computer... hopefully they'll patch that soon


Myz, is your pc set to boot up into test mode automatically? If it isn't you're going to have to set it up each and every time you boot. I'm on 7 Ultimate 64bit and it seems to work for me except I can't get the **** vibration to work.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 2:23am by OniElvaan
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