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#1 Aug 05 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm no computer guru and am currently using an alienware laptop bought in 2008:

Area-51 M9750
N-core 2 Duo 2.00GHZ T7200 4MB 667MHZ SYSTEM CONFIG
Y9530 QIMONDA 1GB PC2-5300 SO-DIMM MOD SYS CONFIG
9750 NVIDIA GEFORCEGO 8700 GT 512MB (MASTER) R1 SYS CONFIG
9750 NVIDIA GEFORCEGO 8700 GT 512MB (SLAVE) R1 SYS CONFIG

This is all greek to me....I played Age of Conan on this rig and the only problem I had was when I changed quite a few zones I would have to reboot the system due to the game slowing down eventually to the point where it was unplayable. I bought Starcraft 2 and ran into the same problem with the message of "Not enough video RAM" and the game would crash. should I just buy a new rig or upgrade? I'm disabled and play from bed so a laptop is easier....if I used a desktop it would be 8feet away from my bed and I would need to use my tv as a monitor....which is an option I guess.

Any advice and suggestions is appreciated....thanks.

Jim
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#2 Aug 05 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Try running the benchmark, you can find it on the SE NA website.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#

I also played AoC for like a month or something, my old rig ran it fine, but I scored a 411 on the FFXIV benchmark on low settings.

I had a core 2 duo CPU at 2.4 GHz and an Nvidia 8500 card.

From what I've read, you'll need a fairly high end laptop to run FFXIV. Someone with more knowledge and experience playing the beta with a laptop should be able to help. =)

#3 Aug 05 2010 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
You are going to have difficulty with XIV with this system.
#4 Aug 05 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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There are a lot of things that stick out right away.

#1 is your RAM, you are going to want at least 2GB of RAM.
#2 Your processor is just a tad too slow. Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz + is what I would suggest.
#3 Unfortunately for your GPUs, it is uncertain how optimized the game will be for SLI. Technically a single GPU of your will not meet the required minimum specs, especially being a laptop GPU...even with SLI fully optimized you will be on the ragged edge of playability.

With laptops they don't have much gaming life beyond 2 years, mainly due to the slower clocks, heat/power consumption, and a couple other limiting factors. PC Gaming Rigs can last 5 years due to the ability to upgrade much easier. I would really suggest looking into a gaming rig with bluetooth/wireless keyboard/mouse so you can play on your bed like you enjoy.

Best of luck w/ your PC!
#5 Aug 05 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea... i had to build a new computer because laptop was running games just a little bit too hot for me also..

system i have now didnt cost that much, ran the benchmark at decent numbers and im happy with it atm
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#6 Aug 05 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Has anyone bought a PC and not had to tweak it at all?


There are a lot of things that stick out right away.

#1 is your RAM, you are going to want at least 2GB of RAM.
#2 Your processor is just a tad too slow. Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz + is what I would suggest.
#3 Unfortunately for your GPUs, it is uncertain how optimized the game will be for SLI. Technically a single GPU of your will not meet the required minimum specs, especially being a laptop GPU...even with SLI fully optimized you will be on the ragged edge of playability.

With laptops they don't have much gaming life beyond 2 years, mainly due to the slower clocks, heat/power consumption, and a couple other limiting factors. PC Gaming Rigs can last 5 years due to the ability to upgrade much easier. I would really suggest looking into a gaming rig with bluetooth/wireless keyboard/mouse so you can play on your bed like you enjoy.

Best of luck w/ your PC!

What desktop would you suggest? Couldn't I play with a gamepad instead of keyboard/mouse?
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#7 Aug 05 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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Gamepad + keyboard will do just fine

I looked into prebuilt pcs and really wasn't impressed, either they were way too overpriced or the ones in my price-range would also need the video card upgraded(probably along with the power supply) so I went with my own custom build in the end.

Also depends on what you're looking for, it's easy to fall down the slippery slope that goes something like "Well if I'm getting a new pc I might as well go crazy!"

If you're cool with not worrying about playing on the higher settings then finding a suitable prebuilt should be easy...lots of good info on the Computer Building Guide, but it's a bit long...
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=127800602941853800&page=1
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I read a few things about the game actually playing better with a gamepad. Now I don't know if that's true but until I try it I'm open to it.
#9 Aug 05 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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For dektop make sure the video card is not a intigrated one, they wont even run the benchmark too well if at all. With the PC i just bough, had to upgrade the power supply and video card so far in it.

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Edited, Aug 5th 2010 5:59pm by Puppy1
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#10 Aug 05 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Someone build me a PC!!! Seriously, where can I find someone? Should I just hangout in the computer section at bestbuy? How much for an above average gaming PC? My laptop was $2100 in '08 and sucks. I should have taken computer classes in college ><
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sweetjim13 wrote:
Someone build me a PC!!! Seriously, where can I find someone? Should I just hangout in the computer section at bestbuy? How much for an above average gaming PC? My laptop was $2100 in '08 and sucks. I should have taken computer classes in college ><


If your in the east coast of canada id be willing to build one for ya, free labour you just pay for parts :P but for some reason i dont think your in my area.
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#12 Aug 05 2010 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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sweetjim13 wrote:
Someone build me a PC!!! Seriously, where can I find someone? Should I just hangout in the computer section at bestbuy? How much for an above average gaming PC? My laptop was $2100 in '08 and sucks. I should have taken computer classes in college ><


If ya post how much ya wanna spend , we can probably give ya all the links to newegg and other sites that you can buy the parts from lol
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#13 Aug 05 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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Myzldas wrote:
sweetjim13 wrote:
Someone build me a PC!!! Seriously, where can I find someone? Should I just hangout in the computer section at bestbuy? How much for an above average gaming PC? My laptop was $2100 in '08 and sucks. I should have taken computer classes in college ><


If ya post how much ya wanna spend , we can probably give ya all the links to newegg and other sites that you can buy the parts from lol


^Indeed...looking into the benchmark thread or that pc building thread can get ya some ideas of what you want. Come up with a starting point & budget then go from there.
#14 Aug 05 2010 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be willing to drop $2500.
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#15 Aug 05 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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ok, gimme a few...
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#16 Aug 05 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
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You can try and configure a custom PC on this website.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/

You can go all the way up to $40,000 (4x 12-core cpus for 48-cores total, take that benchmark)
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#17 Aug 05 2010 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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lsykora wrote:
You can try and configure a custom PC on this website.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/

You can go all the way up to $40,000 (4x 12-core cpus for 48-cores total, take that benchmark)


Actually, that site is pretty good too
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#18 Aug 05 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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That site looks helpful but I have no idea how to customize it. Maybe I should wait for PS3 launch but that's too far off. >.<
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I can configure a PC for you for the $2,500, will take some time though if you can wait until tomorrow.
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sweetjim13 wrote:
That site looks helpful but I have no idea how to customize it. Maybe I should wait for PS3 launch but that's too far off. >.<


http://www.pugetsystems.com/nav/deluge/A2/customize.php
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#21 Aug 05 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Take a look at this gamer computer buyers guide for ideas. It's probably the best of it's kind on the web. Look at mid range or high end to be sure of good performance. It is very reputable for it IS the Guru of 3D.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/pc-buyers-guide-summer-2010/2
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#22 Aug 05 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Good
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Here's a pdf of parts from newegg with a total of ~$2,500 and room for future upgrades.

http://www.mediafire.com/?h3d7n2r43o70123
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I would really suggest looking into a gaming rig with bluetooth/wireless keyboard/mouse so you can play on your bed like you enjoy.


Everytime I hear this, I see this in my head.. http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/jonathandcowden/Jabbagamer.jpg
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#24 Aug 06 2010 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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is puget really any better than ibuypower? http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_F830 looks like you would get more for your money. im not trying to be a smart ***, i dont know enough about computers, just looking at similar numbers it seems like you get more for your money at ibuypower.
#25 Aug 06 2010 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I would really suggest looking into a gaming rig with bluetooth/wireless keyboard/mouse so you can play on your bed like you enjoy.


Everytime I hear this, I see this in my head.. http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/jonathandcowden/Jabbagamer.jpg


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#26 Aug 06 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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If I went through alienware does this work?

Alienware Aurora Alienware Aurora Desktop AD875H [224-6493]
Operating Systems Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English AW7HP6E [317-2818][330-4769][420-6436][420-9691][421-2064]
Processors Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (2.8GHz, 8MB Cache) DI7930 [317-4085]
Memory 3GB Triple Channel 1333MHz DDR3 3G1333D [317-2662]
Keyboard Alienware TactX™ Keyboard AWTX [330-6078]
Monitors No Monitor N [320-7810]
Video Cards Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5670 CrossfireX™ Enabled AT5670D [320-8971]
Hard Drives 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD 500S [341-0467]
Chassis Color Cosmic Black, Alienware Aurora Chassis DSP875W [313-8322]
Mouse Alienware TactX™ Mouse AWTXMSE [330-5780]
AlienFX AlienFX Color, Nova Yellow AXCNYLW [313-8755]
Adobe Reader Software Adobe Acrobat Reader AAREAD [410-1867]
Optical Drives Single Drive: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability PDVDRW [313-8339][421-0975]
Sound Card Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio INT [313-9776]
Automatic Updates Automatic Updates: Enabled AUTOON [330-6348]
Avatar Alien Cyborg AVTRCBG [421-1427]
Hardware Support Services 3 Year Basic Service Plan SB3OS [421-1721][421-1724][905-6137][905-6762][905-6888][905-8382][906-5260][906-6980][950-3339]
Factory Installed Games Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed STMSW [421-1443]
Wallpaper Alienhead Chrome Red WLPCHR [421-1438]
Cooling Option Alienware™ High-Performance Liquid Cooling LC [317-1904]
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Keep away from Alien-Ware, for your own good.
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sweetjim13 wrote:
If I went through alienware does this work?

Alienware Aurora Alienware Aurora Desktop AD875H [224-6493]
Operating Systems Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English AW7HP6E [317-2818][330-4769][420-6436][420-9691][421-2064]
Processors Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (2.8GHz, 8MB Cache) DI7930 [317-4085]
Memory 3GB Triple Channel 1333MHz DDR3 3G1333D [317-2662]
Keyboard Alienware TactX™ Keyboard AWTX [330-6078]
Monitors No Monitor N [320-7810]
Video Cards Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5670 CrossfireX™ Enabled AT5670D [320-8971]
Hard Drives 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD 500S [341-0467]
Chassis Color Cosmic Black, Alienware Aurora Chassis DSP875W [313-8322]
Mouse Alienware TactX™ Mouse AWTXMSE [330-5780]
AlienFX AlienFX Color, Nova Yellow AXCNYLW [313-8755]
Adobe Reader Software Adobe Acrobat Reader AAREAD [410-1867]
Optical Drives Single Drive: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability PDVDRW [313-8339][421-0975]
Sound Card Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio INT [313-9776]
Automatic Updates Automatic Updates: Enabled AUTOON [330-6348]
Avatar Alien Cyborg AVTRCBG [421-1427]
Hardware Support Services 3 Year Basic Service Plan SB3OS [421-1721][421-1724][905-6137][905-6762][905-6888][905-8382][906-5260][906-6980][950-3339]
Factory Installed Games Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed STMSW [421-1443]
Wallpaper Alienhead Chrome Red WLPCHR [421-1438]
Cooling Option Alienware™ High-Performance Liquid Cooling LC [317-1904]
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For that much money i'd want it to give me happy endings!!! But I would suggest getting one 5870 card and buying a second later to set up CrossFire. The two 5670 are going to be way underpowered if you want to run this thing at full. Plus this doesn't allow you to expand your PC down the road.


Also, water cooling is overkill on this thing. Unless you are going to overclock past 4Ghz it is useless.
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With AlienWare you're mostly paying for the name, you could build your own PC for probably half the cost from a site like NewEgg.
If you want it to look cool, ANTEC has some nice cases that won't cost you an arm and a leg.

I threw a 5870 into my new computer and it runs the beta flawlessly. Why crossfire when you don't have to. Spend the money on one good card instead of 2 mediocre ones. Plus in the future you can throw a second 5870 in should the need arise.
#30 Aug 07 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Would this work? There's no way I could assemble it myself.

http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_D885
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I'm definitely not an expert but if price is at all a concern you don't need 2 TB of memory plus... there are probably some bells and whistles you can tone down.

That computer would likely do the trick - but you know... and I am just saying this because the helpful people here have taught me a lot over the last month...

I'm guessing that you are paying several hundred more for that computer to have it pre-built... I mean, yeah if you have the money - sure, go for it. But don't limit yourself by saying you "can't" build/assemble a rig.

I am a woman in her late 20s with no tech experience whatsoever - and I am going to make a go of trying to build a rig for this game. From what everyone here is saying - it is totally something a beginner can do.

Heck I'm pretty nervous about this, but I am also really excited too - because when I am done building my computer not only will I have a sweet gaming rig to play FFXIV on - but I will -also- have the basis from which to develop a new skill - and the ability to help others learn as people here have helped me learn.

Don't get me wrong - if there are any issues I will be crying a river here on the forums, lol... but I -know- that in the end I will build this rig, one way or another. I won't fail in the long run. And the little extra work I put in to make it happen will make it even more special.

So, yeah, do what you want - but please don't limit yourself. You -can- assemble a rig yourself - if you don't want to, that is just fine - but you CAN do it if you wanted to.
#32 Aug 07 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus wrote:
I'm definitely not an expert but if price is at all a concern you don't need 2 TB of memory plus... there are probably some bells and whistles you can tone down.

That computer would likely do the trick - but you know... and I am just saying this because the helpful people here have taught me a lot over the last month...

I'm guessing that you are paying several hundred more for that computer to have it pre-built... I mean, yeah if you have the money - sure, go for it. But don't limit yourself by saying you "can't" build/assemble a rig.

I am a woman in her late 20s with no tech experience whatsoever - and I am going to make a go of trying to build a rig for this game. From what everyone here is saying - it is totally something a beginner can do.

Heck I'm pretty nervous about this, but I am also really excited too - because when I am done building my computer not only will I have a sweet gaming rig to play FFXIV on - but I will -also- have the basis from which to develop a new skill - and the ability to help others learn as people here have helped me learn.

Don't get me wrong - if there are any issues I will be crying a river here on the forums, lol... but I -know- that in the end I will build this rig, one way or another. I won't fail in the long run. And the little extra work I put in to make it happen will make it even more special.

So, yeah, do what you want - but please don't limit yourself. You -can- assemble a rig yourself - if you don't want to, that is just fine - but you CAN do it if you wanted to.


Trust me I'd be more than willing to give it a whirl but I'm a quadraplegic and physically unable to build one. If anyone lives in MI I'd rather pay someone to do it versus the big corporations.
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Seems a bit like overkill on some things to me, but that's all personal preference I guess.

a few notes:

That liquid cooling looks like it's a corsair H50. I'd spend the extra $30 on the push/pull config. I did this on my CoolIT ECO, and it dropped temps about 5-7c across the board.

12 gig ram is probably overkill, but it's future proof as heck

the PSU is the most important part of any build. Consider at the bare minimum moving up from the generic one selected to the corsair model.

if you're gonna drop that much on a machine, move to a GTX 480/5870.
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#34 Aug 07 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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oh, ok, now I feel like a douche.

>.>

I'm sorry for being so ableist
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Olorinus wrote:
oh, ok, now I feel like a douche.

>.>

I'm sorry for being so ableist



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