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#1 Aug 05 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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The more I think about it, the more I want to dual box. I use to dual box 2 level 75 beastmasters in FFXI and I was making between 2m~5m a week (before the drope rate nerfs) depending on how much I farmed. And I for sure want to be rich again in FFXIV. I use to love to be able to help friends with gill and to be able to help them with af armor ect. I would love to be able to do the same in ffxiv! How many of you are thinking about dual boxing?

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 6:28pm by TheBSTGuy
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#3 Aug 05 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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#4 Aug 05 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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The majority of the people on this forum are concerned about being able to SOLO Box this game, and you're talking about dual boxing :D

. . I like it!
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#5 Aug 05 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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Just please do us all a favor and don't try grouping while 2-boxing. Think of the children.
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#6 Aug 05 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Default
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Just please do us all a favor and don't try grouping while 2-boxing. Think of the children.
That would defeat the pourpose of dual boxing. I dual box to gain more in game money, not to get higher levels =p !
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Just please do us all a favor and don't try grouping while 2-boxing. Think of the children.

I have a friend who used to dual box in Dynamis...lol

Right now I am just trying to scrape together enough money to upgrade my single box.
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#8 Aug 05 2010 at 10:46 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, I'm against it. I know it's silly, but I don't think this is the way the game should be played.
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#10 Aug 06 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think I would do it, however if VirtualBox improves its 3D performance in the next few years then it would be awesome to run multiple instances on the same computer...but that's a ways away... if ever.

#11 Aug 06 2010 at 12:43 AM Rating: Excellent
Consider how much more ridiculously difficult dual boxing would be in XIV. There is no auto attack. There's another very good reason that would make this very much nonviable (I'll leave it at that, without divulging any NDA details). But trust me, it wouldn't be pretty.

I suppose nothing is impossible, but it's going to be much more difficult and involved to pull off successfully than it was in XI.
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...but you lose teh real onez.


This.
I have thought about it myself for exactly the same reason as the op, to make more in game money, but the cost in real world money was not worth the gains I would make in game.
#13 Aug 06 2010 at 4:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Your talking about $13 more a month, you cant even take your wife to dinner (restruant) for $13. I dont think $13 is going to break me.

Edited, Aug 6th 2010 6:57am by TheBSTGuy
#14 Aug 06 2010 at 4:59 AM Rating: Default
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Consider how much more ridiculously difficult dual boxing would be in XIV. There is no auto attack. There's another very good reason that would make this very much nonviable (I'll leave it at that, without divulging any NDA details). But trust me, it wouldn't be pretty.

I suppose nothing is impossible, but it's going to be much more difficult and involved to pull off successfully than it was in XI.
I think a healer class would work fine, tossing a few heals and a few damage spells here and there.
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I have a hard enough time multi-tasking at work, there's NO way I'm coordinated enough to dual box.
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#16 Aug 06 2010 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Amusingly, I was the one of who created that original thread. At the time of that thread I was actually looking into building two above average PCs and already had 2 copies of the CE on pre-order. Since that thread I have I pretty much canned the idea of dual boxing after hearing about how difficult it would be to play 2 characters at once. With everything that I'm hearing about the dynamics of how this game works I don't think (and am hoping) it wont be as necessary as it was in FFXI.

Instead I opted to build one monster hoss of a machine. I'll get into the game and 6 months from now, if I need to dual box, I'll make use of my PS3. I've heard the arguments for a pocket healer, but with the ability to change classes quickly it might be more effective to just make in game friends. With the mage classes being able to damage and heal it shouldn't be like FFXI where everyone is dying looking for a WHM or RDM.

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#17 Aug 06 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I completely agree with you UnusedName. I put together a fairly powerful box and if I want to dual box it I'll just get a ps3. Besides I would like to enjoy the ride instead of a rush to the end and try to be the best at everything.
#18 Aug 06 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I will probably be dual boxing (PC and a PS3) if the following happens:

1. It is as efficient as in XI to dual box.
2. XIV ends up not supporting 3D or if the 3D is reportedly bad (would use the money I'm saving for the 3D monitor for a PS3 instead).

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#19 Aug 06 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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What's up with all the 3D FFXIV comments lately. Did I miss a press statement/interview comment about 14 supporting 3D? Going to be a bit bummed if I need to switch to Nvidia for my graphics card after already ordering an ATI...
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i dont think ive heard anything about it... then again... who here has really been keeping up with this game you speak of? =P
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#21 Aug 06 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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What's up with all the 3D FFXIV comments lately. Did I miss a press statement/interview comment about 14 supporting 3D? Going to be a bit bummed if I need to switch to Nvidia for my graphics card after already ordering an ATI...


Yes, they are working to make FFXIV available in 3D using nVidia's 3D Vision. The beta already supports 3D, but it's not nearly optimized yet. It's still unconfirmed whether the retail will fully support 3D.

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#22 Aug 06 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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make no mistake about it, within a few months of the game being released there will be bot programs. You will be able to set up repeatable attack sequences, so not having auto attack won't matter in the least.
#23 Aug 06 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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yeah but using bot programs is

a) cheating
b) against the terms of service (at least I expect it to be, as it was in FFXI)
c) unconscionably lame

Crikes.
#24 Aug 06 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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also - might I suggest making in game friends rather than dual boxing? It is cheaper and more fun.
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also - might I suggest making in game friends rather than dual boxing? It is cheaper and more fun.
Do you honstly think in game friends are going to hand you over all their loot? The whole point (for me at least) of dual boxing is to gain more in game money. In FFXI I gained at least 40% more loot per day by dual boxing. I expect this game to be no different.
#26 Aug 06 2010 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't even consider of doing that. Like others have already stated, it would be better to find a friend or two. I think dual boxing would be rather inefficient and besides, it reminds me too much of RMT/Bot teams.
#27 Aug 06 2010 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Considering the howls that resonated through these forums when it was announced that extra characters would be $3, I can't imagine that second accounts for the purpose of playing together at the same time would be incredibly popular here.
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#28 Aug 06 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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yeah but using bot programs is

a) cheating
b) against the terms of service (at least I expect it to be, as it was in FFXI)
c) unconscionably lame

Crikes.


Agreed, I throw dual boxing in there too...but that's the world we live in. It's a just a drag to see people worrying about how to best manipulate the system to get an edge months before release. Kinda ruins the whole, "games are meant to be fun" thing for me...

Edited, Aug 7th 2010 1:41am by TwistedOwl
#29 Aug 07 2010 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
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If they spend 2x our spending to have the same amount of fun as we do, companies tend to look the other way, esp. if they are the ones getting the extra money. Now that also means that SE will still treat them like any other player (bot=ban) unlike Activision-Blizzard and their prefential treatment of multiboxers (Bot=No ban if a program fakes/emulates/copies keystrokes or mouse movement.)
So if ya box, don't bot unless you want a ban.
#30 Aug 07 2010 at 2:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I plan on buying it for the PS3 when it comes out as well as having it for PC. An extra character on the side tossing out cures never hurts. I made the mistake of not doing it in XI, I won't make the same mistake for this game.
#31 Aug 07 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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If potions stack this time around we won't need pocket healers <.<
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Dualboxing: playing around with yourself for hours.
Aka "loner's grind".


Edited, Aug 7th 2010 4:29am by Rinsui
#33 Aug 07 2010 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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If potions stack this time around we won't need pocket healers <.<


That's a big if and even if they do there is no guarantee that they will be that effective or inexpensive.
#34 Aug 07 2010 at 3:07 AM Rating: Decent
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So basically you think of dualboxing as paying for a mobile potion vending machine. Where have I heard that before....oh yeah, microtransaction MMOs. Well, at least the multiboxer gets to pay twice that of a single boxer. I feel thats a fair price to pay, and a fair risk to take... Just remember to use 2 actual keyboards. SE has a very strict "No 3rd party macros"(BOTS) policy and banned many multiboxers in FFXI for using keystroke emulators. Was pretty sad when they banned a JP friend of mine for dualboxing, though he just releveled a new NIN....in under a month.
Anyways, I digress. I have no problem with true dualboxing, I do, however, hate multiBOTing, as I prefer to call emulated keystroke software. FFXI had limited macro lines to prevent botting. That is why they banned for the use of the windower macro loops/bots.
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#35 Aug 07 2010 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, dualboxing, gives me a headache lol.

I never did it so I have no idea of the dexterity involved. I wonder if the battle system in FFXIV will make it harder or easier than FFXI?

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#36 Aug 07 2010 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Harder. Beta streams have shown a normal attack to be a few seconds of the "action bar" with stronger abilities being 10 seonds at most. FFXI had a fairly simple "Autoattack, long cooldown, short cooldown." system. FFXIV appears to have done away with the autoattack feature altogether.
#37 Aug 07 2010 at 3:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Your talking about $13 more a month, you cant even take your wife to dinner (restruant) for $13. I dont think $13 is going to break me.

Edited, Aug 6th 2010 6:57am by TheBSTGuy




Forgot to mention the $1k+ PC rig.
#38 Aug 07 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually the 1k+ PC is a common misconception about most "multiboxers." Most are really multibotters who use 1 PC with the game set on the minimum settings while running 2-10 instances of the same program. They then use a keystroke cloning software (classified as a bot by SE) to mimic keystrokes and, in many cases, macro loops (true bot programs) to send commands to each "game" simultaneously. The most coordinated human being in the world has never been a match for 1 man doing the same ability 5-10 times at the exact same moment, or even staggered at .1 second intervals due to using a weak keystroke cloner. To be truthful, in an online pvp game, 10x the same ability usually kills any player of equal level.

Anyways, TLDR version, multiboters usually only use 1 system running many instances of the same game, even when that game prohibits doing so. True Multiboxers use multiple systems (hence the "box.") Most people who call themselves multiboxers and use the same class for each character are multiboters.
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So basically you think of dualboxing as paying for a mobile potion vending machine. Where have I heard that before....oh yeah, microtransaction MMOs. Well, at least the multiboxer gets to pay twice that of a single boxer. I feel thats a fair price to pay, and a fair risk to take... Just remember to use 2 actual keyboards. SE has a very strict "No 3rd party macros"(BOTS) policy and banned many multiboxers in FFXI for using keystroke emulators. Was pretty sad when they banned a JP friend of mine for dualboxing, though he just releveled a new NIN....in under a month.


I sense a certain dislike of dualboxers from you, why I don't know.

I agree to a certain extent when it comes to bots, like claiming NMs and the such, however I don't find it that big a deal when it comes to 3rd party macros that would let you throw out cures to other party members or yourself while soloing. But I digress and honestly don't care about what moral repercussions that may be involved in such a thing. Those that can will use it and yes they do risk the chance of being banned.

Also, for me it's more than just "paying for a mobile potion vending machine". It's having a second character to help make money as a previous poster said. It's also having a second character for events or missions when you are lacking that extra person. I've had situations in the past in XI where I was doing something that required a certain amount of people but we were lacking someone and had a dualboxer step up to the plate to make whatever we were doing happen.
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...and had a dualboxer step up to the plate to make whatever we were doing happen...


Oh thank you Mister Benevolent Dualboxer! You saved the day.

How heartwarming.

As I already said, I prefer to play with my friends rather than playing around with myself; personally I think the hard distiction you draw between "good" dualboxing and "bad" botting is more than a little influenced by the fact that you do the one and - possibly - not the other.

I guess we agree that it gives the dualbotter an advantage that was not "intended" by SE. However, it is their responsibility to speak their mind on that matter; until then it's an exploit that is not "illegal" per se. However. SE likes to apply new laws retroactively, so I wouldn't wonder if they decided to ban the accounts of dualboxers months after the original offense. They are collecting a lot of data, after all. And we know that data "wants" to be used, hahaha!

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Well, SE did speak their mind on it during FFXI's massive ban waves.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/26/FFXI-customers-axed-for-using-third-party-tools/
Just a link to one of the earlier ban waves. Doesn't have a direct quote, but as they say, actions speak louder than words.
Addendum: Keep in mind that since JP release, SE has banned well over 200k accounts...some numbers point to as much as a million if one counts rmt spammers. They really, really, really dislike what they define as "cheating."

Edited, Aug 7th 2010 6:58am by Uryuu
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I triple boxed in eq for a while, and dual boxed in WoW for a bit as well. It was really easy to do in eq since warriors tank sequence was....auto attack, and a shaman just had to slow and cast hots. It was a pain to do it WoW, and I get the feeling it is going to be far more of a pain to do in FFXIV, not even taking into consideration the type of machine that will run 2 instances of the game at once or having to computers that run the game.
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I don't need dualbox. I have friends.
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