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#1 Aug 07 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Does XIV really need 2+ processor cores?
I know the min specs say 2 but is that just because saying p4 seems so dated?
I'm running a P4@3.0 with 2gigs of ram and a Geforce 9600gt video card on XP.
I can pull a 1000 score and wonder if just upgrading the video card would be enough to make it more playable?
#2 Aug 07 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd recommend 4+ cores. 2 is hard to get by on, 1 is asking for problems. 3 ghz P4 is in the low/mid range for processors right now, that's going to be your primary limiting factor, and unfortunately, the hardest to replace (you'd need a new motherboard as well, and most likely new RAM).

Buying a new video card would help, but that's like putting new rims on a Geo Metro. Particularly on low settings (where I'd expect you'd be at, considering your PC), CPU matters. On high settings GPU becomes the dominating factor.



Edited, Aug 7th 2010 12:41pm by bsphil
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#3 Aug 07 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Indeed, you're in dire need of a processor, motherboard, (probably RAM too), and video card (possibly PSU) replacement.

When they say 2 cores minimum, they mean minimum in the very literal "It probably won't even install if you don't have this" definition. I would strongly suggest at least 4 if you don't want the game to look like total junk. video card needs a replacement too.
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#4 Aug 07 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, multicore and multithreading are very important.

From FFXIVcore:
FFXIV sitting pretty on Intel Core i7 processor machines

I: Has Intel’s cooperation with FFXIV development helped at all?
PT: We’ve been able to improve performance thanks to increasing compatibility with multithreading. When we started development, FFXIV could only be run on top-of-the-line computers, but thanks to Intel technology, we’ve been able to lower that bar quite a bit.
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#5 Aug 07 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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#6 Aug 07 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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GuardianFaith wrote:
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3 ghz P4 is in the low/mid obsolete range for processors right now
Well, low/mid IS obsolete for gaming.
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#7 Aug 07 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, multicore and multithreading are very important.


Well, multi-core anyway. Granted, SE is developing the game with hyperthreading support for intel processors, but AMDs are still holding their own, especially the X6s.

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bsphil wrote:
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3 ghz P4 is in the low/mid obsolete range for processors right now
Well, low/mid IS obsolete for gaming.


No, no, the P4 is LITERALLY obsolete - as in the "you can't buy a new one" kind of obsolete.

There's nothing low/mid-range about them anymore.
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BastokFL wrote:
bsphil wrote:
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3 ghz P4 is in the low/mid obsolete range for processors right now
Well, low/mid IS obsolete for gaming.


No, no, the P4 is LITERALLY obsolete - as in the "you can't buy a new one" kind of obsolete.

There's nothing low/mid-range about them anymore.
You could do worse, but it's still pretty far down the list.
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bsphil wrote:
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bsphil wrote:
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3 ghz P4 is in the low/mid obsolete range for processors right now
Well, low/mid IS obsolete for gaming.


No, no, the P4 is LITERALLY obsolete - as in the "you can't buy a new one" kind of obsolete.

There's nothing low/mid-range about them anymore.
You could do worse, but it's still pretty far down the list.


Celeron :P
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#11 Aug 07 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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Pentium MMX 25Mhz

Yes, I said it. . Mhz.
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#12 Aug 07 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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By chance do you know what socket your motherboard accepts? The Pentium 4 spans over 3 socket types: 423, 478, and LGA775.

Go to:

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

and download the program. Run it to see what the specs on your computer are. IF you have a LGA775 socket you may be able to upgrade your processor to something that might be able to handle it more.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116347&cm_re=wolfdale-_-19-116-347-_-Product

Just make sure and double make sure to research before you upgrade, that your MB has the correct socket.

It's a long shot, and even then it'll probably at best get you somewhere into the low 2000's. The processors cost about $60-$80 so it might be worth a shot. In addition, do some research on your MB to see how much RAM you can pack onto it, you'll be able to find it on the manufacturer's site or on the MB manual. I wouldn't be surprised if you're at your maximum capacity.

The 9600GT might be OK on low settings, but if there is dust or rain or something like that, it might lag. It won't even play on High-Res, it just freezes, and the audio keeps playing. This is just from the benchmark test that I ran on my roommates machine.

Just one option for ya.
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The 9600GT might be OK on low settings, but if there is dust or rain or something like that, it might lag. It won't even play on High-Res, it just freezes, and the audio keeps playing.


I beg to differ there, the gameplay is INCREDIBLY choppy, but the 9600GT can play the High-Res benchmark. Before I swapped out my video card I was using a 9600GT OC and it could run the benchmark on high. It's not really playable, but the point is it will play the High-Res benchmark option. If you can support it I'd at least suggest getting 4GB of RAM, an E8400 Dual Core (775 Socket) and use that with your GT. You won't get the greatest but it should be able to play FFXIV at around 38-45 FPS on the low setting. With that processor, ram, and video card type I was able to get around 2300 if I don't overclock, just above 2500 if I overclocked to 3.6GHz.

Hope that helps.

EDIT: The FPS stated above was around the average I was getting when playing the benchmark and running the EVGA Precision tool to see the frame rate. Except for spot just before the camera panned up from behind the Miqo'te and the avatar (Character you choose when running the benchmark) to survey the battle on board the ship. At that moment and a few spots where the ship is nearing land the FPS dropped to around 21-26 for a few seconds then dipped back up into the low 40's.

EDIT2: And this was with DDR2 667 memory if that matters.

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#14 Aug 07 2010 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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Pentium MMX 25Mhz

Yes, I said it. . Mhz.


This was my first computer.

IBM with an Intel 8088 processor. 5 MHz. Five.

It did not come with a hard drive; we bought one later. I think it was like 10 or 20 MB. Megabytes. We thought we'd NEVER fill it; it was HUGE. I remember that it was larger than a standard 3.5" hard drive, or I think it was; I was like... two-ish when we bought it? Maybe three. Everything looks bigger when you need a jumping start to climb onto the desk chair. I used the thing to learn reading and writing with reader rabbit and writer rabbit respectively. I was six or seven-ish when my parents bought me Mario Teaches Typing for DOS. I'm pretty sure we had bought a 286 by then, the speed of which I do not remember. My parents have long since disposed of it I believe, or I'd look. They still have their Packard Bell they bought when Windows 95 came out though. I still have a Dell Optiplex GXi in my closet. I don't know if it works or not; I think the motherboard died or something, but I haven't tried to get it to boot in a decade. Don't ask me why I still have it; I don't have an answer. Don't ask me why I have five other computers in that closet of varying ages with varying parts missing either. I still don't have an answer.

Ah, nostalgia.
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seneleron wrote:
Pentium MMX 25Mhz

Yes, I said it. . Mhz.


I don't remember Pentiums running that slow. I do remember 486's at that speed.
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#16 Aug 08 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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The slowest computer I owned was a 180mhz power pc. You beat me Mik, you have the crappiest pc of all!

Hey do you guys remember that game that was just green pixels on a black background and you had to answer math questions so the dragon wouldn't flame you?

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Mine was a 486 running at 66mhz! haha windows 3.1....fun times...sort of
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My earliest was a 33mhz monster. I forget the exact processor, I just threw it out a year or two ago, it was sitting on a shelf in my garage forever Smiley: laugh
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its about time for a complete computer overhaul OP. Since you keep your systems for as long as you did, I'd suggest not going with a low end/budget build.
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I think back in 94-95, my cheapo DX4-100 trashed our work's Pentium-60 EISA when we ran it through some benchmarks. I have fond memories playing Xwing and Tie fighter games on it.
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Since we're derailing this thread, the first computer I ever purchased was a Commodore VIC-20.
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#22 Aug 08 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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Yep, that was our first actual "PC" [as in Dos box]. Prior to that I had a c64, but that's as absolutely as far back as I can go. no HDD, 5 1/4" floppies. . I started learning BASIC on that machine.

Don't ask me to remember it now tho ;)

Geez, the trip down memory lane. Back in the 8088, 286/386/486 days when there was no such thing as a "processor". if you were lucky, you could add a "math co-prosessor" to increase your performance. If memory serves, one of the first mainstream "co-prosessors" was called "Pentium"

'scuse me . . gonna take a nostalgic walk down memory lane. BBL. . .
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AngusX wrote:
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Pentium MMX 25Mhz

Yes, I said it. . Mhz.


I don't remember Pentiums running that slow. I do remember 486's at that speed.


First Pentium was the P5 microarchitecture based Pentium MMX running at 60-66MHz.
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#24 Aug 08 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Is XIV optimized for a DOS box running on a 486?
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no no no, it's optimized for a c64 running 64k ram.

it comes on 374 5 1/4" floppies [plus another 146 for saves]

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Mikhalia wrote:
seneleron wrote:
Pentium MMX 25Mhz

Yes, I said it. . Mhz.


This was my first computer.

IBM with an Intel 8088 processor. 5 MHz. Five.

It did not come with a hard drive; we bought one later. I think it was like 10 or 20 MB. Megabytes. We thought we'd NEVER fill it; it was HUGE. I remember that it was larger than a standard 3.5" hard drive, or I think it was; I was like... two-ish when we bought it? Maybe three. Everything looks bigger when you need a jumping start to climb onto the desk chair. I used the thing to learn reading and writing with reader rabbit and writer rabbit respectively. I was six or seven-ish when my parents bought me Mario Teaches Typing for DOS. I'm pretty sure we had bought a 286 by then, the speed of which I do not remember. My parents have long since disposed of it I believe, or I'd look. They still have their Packard Bell they bought when Windows 95 came out though. I still have a Dell Optiplex GXi in my closet. I don't know if it works or not; I think the motherboard died or something, but I haven't tried to get it to boot in a decade. Don't ask me why I still have it; I don't have an answer. Don't ask me why I have five other computers in that closet of varying ages with varying parts missing either. I still don't have an answer.

Ah, nostalgia.


Very nice. This was mine. A Macintosh 128k.

Slightly faster at 8MHz, but not much haha. No internal HDD, there were 400kB 3.5" floppy disks with boot information on them. If you wanted to run a new application, you had to swap back to the first disk you used to boot up, then eject and replace with the disk of the application you wanted to run. We had a beige M0110 keyboard, a beige M0100 mouse, and a daisy-wheel printer. Though I was only 2 or 3 at the time, I remember a few games for it like Deja Vu, a robot counting game, Brickles, Gato (a WWII submarine simulator), Zero Gravity, Stephen King's The Mist, and The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (which got me hooked on the "Trilogy" later in life). And don't worry about your computer closet -- I definitely have an attic full of 486s from my tinkering years.
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