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#1 Aug 07 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
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So because I cant wait for XIV's release, I re-installed XI yesterday after retiring 4 years ago.

I thought I could get my fill of Final Fantasy to keep me going for the next 6 weeks. I could not remember my account details so I had to start from the beginning. Rolled a Taru WHM, logged into Sandoria and first thing - I couldnt move.

Once I remembered I had to set up the micro keyboard (since my laptop doesnt have a number pad), I then had to look up on the internet how to change settings. After about 10 minutes, I could actually move - that was a start.

The next thing that hit me is just how bad the graphics and animation were - It was truly, truly terrible! I dont remember it being anywhere near as bad as that.

After about 30 minutes of playing, I logged out and wont be going back. I know it was released in 2002, but if ever there was a game needing an update, or re-release of the series it is this.

Now I am looking forward to FFXIV even more. Nostalgia it seems can make you remember things as better than they really were. Anyone else tried going back in the run up to XIV's release?
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#2 Aug 07 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I quit 4 to 5 years ago also so getting my account back probably isn't possible.

with that said, just the THOUGHT of starting from the beginning in XI gives me chills. It took me about 2 years to accomplish the little that i did. Now there is sooooooooo much content, i cant imagine trying to conquer it all.

But i guess to restart as just a mere fix for XIV? Meh, it would be boring. You wouldnt have time for anything that made the game interesting and fun. And if you did try to play the game seriously for the next month and a half, trying to get help for sub job items and advanced job quests would be a headache. It was hard enough back when people were actually willing to help. Now i bet you get flamed at the mention of such items b/c people are probably so tired of helping get them. And thats probably as far as you would make it in the 45 days left until release. You would probably need help with missions as well if you decided to do a few... probably near impossible now as well.

Point is, the game is way too mature to even think about going back, even if it is only for a XIV fix.

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#3 Aug 07 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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XI still looks fine.

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You young whippersnappers and your three dees and your polygons and your tessellations make me puke.
















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The next thing that hit me is just how bad the graphics and animation were - It was truly, truly terrible! I dont remember it being anywhere near as bad as that.

The animations in FFXI are kick-***. Take for example the ability Boost. That sh*t looks freaking awesome. Now take a similar animation from any other game. Yeah, that's right.
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Yea... graphics can only take ya so far.... can only get a piece of crap to shine so much....

im more of a substance kind of player, love storylines, community, and ease of play(not saying things are easy, just concept of movements, able to grasp the basics are).
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#6 Aug 07 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree re the graphics comment - and I agreed with it on the original thread.

It seems though that my agreement only goes so far!
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The next thing that hit me is just how bad the graphics and animation were - It was truly, truly terrible! I dont remember it being anywhere near as bad as that.

The animations in FFXI are kick-***. Take for example the ability Boost. That sh*t looks freaking awesome. Now take a similar animation from any other game. Yeah, that's right.


The animations were one of my favorite parts of XI, i still watch the BLM spell compilation on youtube from time to time.
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#8 Aug 07 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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As far as I'm concerned, and have always been concerned, story and gameplay are infinitely more important than graphics.

You young whippersnappers and your three dees and your polygons and your tessellations make me puke.


I read this and I hear "it's not about what she looks like, she's got a great PERSONALITY"! [coincidentally, she has 17 chins, 3 stomachs, and a beard, but I digress :P ]

You kids and your spoiled hopped up 8 bit machines! When *I* started gaming, there was only 1 button on that joystick [yes, I said joystick, none of these fancy 4 way D-pads] and to this day the thought of Yar's Revenge gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

BTW, Mr. O/P guy. . you *DO* know there's a registry hack available to tweak FFXI's graphics, right?

http://vnboards.ign.com/ffxi_general_board/b22412/60198299/p1/

with the tweak applied, the GFX really aren't THAT bad.

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As far as I'm concerned, and have always been concerned, story and gameplay are infinitely more important than graphics.

You young whippersnappers and your three dees and your polygons and your tessellations make me puke.


I read this and I hear "it's not about what she looks like, she's got a great PERSONALITY"! [coincidentally, she has 17 chins, 3 stomachs, and a beard, but I digress :P ]

You kids and your spoiled hopped up 8 bit machines! When *I* started gaming, there was only 1 button on that joystick [yes, I said joystick, none of these fancy 4 way D-pads] and to this day the thought of Yar's Revenge gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.


Exaggeration aside, in 50 years when she's old and wrinkly, those graphics will be gone and you're sleeping next to her personality every night.

Beauty fades, personality is forever.

Granted, I'd be happy to take graphics -and- gameplay, but if I had to pick pretty graphics with ****** gameplay or ****** graphics with pretty gameplay, the gameplay wins.

And I still have some of my old Atari games, although my Atari is long since gone.
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All those XIV vids you're watching must be ruining the old stuff.

Sure it's old, but it's still just as awesome as it ever was. I'm probably wearing rose-coloured glasses but I still like it - they did a fantastic job on FFXI and it will have a special place with me for the rest of my life.
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After about 30 minutes of playing, I logged out and wont be going back. I know it was released in 2002, but if ever there was a game needing an update, or re-release of the series it is this.

Good news: FFXI HD is coming out in September.
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After a long time away I actually went back to FFXI a couple years ago and to me the graphics still looked better than WoW. That not withstanding the reason why I did go back was because I was looking for the feeling of "being home" that playing FFXI with friends brought to me.

To me the best memories I have of the game was the comunity and the interaction with other players but since the great majority of these people were gonne I quit after a couple months of being back.

With FFXIV I'm hopping to recreate that feeling with new people. Of course the graphis are important but is not the most important thing otherwise people would never go back and plat FFI to FFXIII.
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I had a soso video card and computer and I still think graphics for FFXI look awesome until i use windower with the lowest setting possible.
If you had been looking at screenshots and videos from FFXIV and expect you will see close to the same thing when you log back in FFXI, of course you would be disappointed.

and how much can you do in FFXI in these 40-50 days until the release of FFXIV? hopefully you got friends in there playing with you to enjoy it :D
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I still have the install discs up to WotG & the thought's crossed my mind. But I'd also be starting from scratch and the idea of being broke with no subjob, etc....well that just sounds awful.

The graphics probably wouldn't annoy me too much, but I've had that experience with classic games plenty of times when I mess around with emulators. I'll find that game I thought was so cool back in the 80s and then when I turn it on it's like "How the **** did I enjoy this crap?"

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Based on some of the comments above, I am starting to have doubts that my settings are as high as they should be.

Someone said that FFXI had better graphics than WoW. I remember thinking that years ago when I quit but now it looks awful. I wonder if there is a problem with my graphics card running the game (presumably because it is too advanced and so the game cannot detect properly).

I tried updating settings in the FFXI config - I have not tried the registry hack yet but will do so later.

There must be something wrong with my install because it looks several generations behind standard WoW which cant be right!

Anyway - in 43 days, none of this will matter!
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There must be something wrong with my install because it looks several generations behind standard WoW which cant be right!


Sounds about right without the registry hack to me. Even when I originally played FFXI I couldn't stand the graphics, they were PS2 TERRIBLE. Stands to reason, since the official reason for never updating was that they had to limit it to the P[o]S2 version.

Otherwise I guess it wouldn't have been respectful to our Brothers and Sisters in the Land of the Rising Sun, who I'm told tended to play the game on PS2.
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Mikhalia wrote:

Exaggeration aside, in 50 years when she's old and wrinkly, those graphics will be gone and you're sleeping next to her personality every night.


This is the best Mikhalia quote, yet.

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You also have to adjust the graphics settings or it does in fact look like ****.

If you didn't adjust the resolution or back ground resolution its no surprise it looks like garbage.
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I agree with Windexy. Up the background resolution in the registry and the game will look incredible!
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InchKujata wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:

Exaggeration aside, in 50 years when she's old and wrinkly, those graphics will be gone and you're sleeping next to her personality every night.


This is the best Mikhalia quote, yet.


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Just grabbed these out of my photobucket; didn't bother looking for anything special.

WoW (Dead Troll Mage in Orgrimmar, looking at some RMTs trying to advertise)

FFXI (Dead Elvaan Bard in Dynamis - Tavnazia, looking at some Nightmare mobs walking away)

Dead in both pics, of course.

Honestly, I've always felt XI looked better than WoW.
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When I came back to FFXI after sometime away, what amazed me was how slow the combat is compared to WoW. Even with that though, I think I still had more fun in FFXI than I did in WoW in the long run, I would still play FFXI if making money wasn't such a pain in rear.
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I started up my account again a couple months ago simply to give away all my stuff to old friends but found myself drawn back in. That game had grown very stale which is why I quit playing 9 months ago, but the latest updates with 80 level cap and the Vision of Abyssea expansion have given it a new life. Most fun I've had playing FFXI in over a year. The graphics are dated, but I wouldn't say they look like ****. Sounds to me you are using the included config tool to adjust your resolution. It definitely will look like crap with that because the choices are very limited in that. Need to tinker in the registry as others have suggested to make the game actually look good.
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NQ graphics suck. Registry editor = win.

FFXI is fine for an 8 year old game.
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Need to tinker in the registry as others have suggested to make the game actually look good.

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NQ graphics suck. Registry editor = win.


You don't need the registry edit, bumping them up to 1024x1024 is doable in the FFXI Options application and looks really good.

I could never tell any difference between 1024x1024 and hacking the registry to 2048x2048.

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Need to tinker in the registry as others have suggested to make the game actually look good.

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NQ graphics suck. Registry editor = win.


You don't need the registry edit, bumping them up to 1024x1024 is doable in the FFXI Options application and looks really good.

I could never tell any difference between 1024x1024 and hacking the registry to 2048x2048.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 12:03pm by windexy
Seriously? I always thought it was pretty obvious.
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I could never tell any difference between 1024x1024 and hacking the registry to 2048x2048.


really??? Was night and day to me, of course I've been running HD 24" monitors for quite awhile now ;)
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Seriously? I always thought it was pretty obvious.


awesome, while standing still you see a few less jaggies... good luck noticing that extra little bit of detail while actually doing anything....
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No luck necessary, saw it constantly.
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No luck necessary, saw it constantly.


Either way the point is:

default: sh*t
with ffxi configuration application: decent for 8 years old
with registry: just very slightly above the config app and telling idiots on the internet to mess around with their registry = bad idea.

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with registry: just very slightly above the config app and telling idiots on the internet to mess around with their registry = bad idea.


Depends on the idiots.

You see everything in that HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE folder? Delete that all and you'll make your system run faster.

Note: Do not do this.
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You see everything in that HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE folder? Delete that all and you'll make your system run faster.

I thought it was 'c:\windows\system32' that you were supposed to delete to make it faster? I hear it also give access to 4chan gold accounts!
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You see everything in that HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE folder? Delete that all and you'll make your system run faster.

I thought it was 'c:\windows\system32' that you were supposed to delete to make it faster? I hear it also give access to 4chan gold accounts!


No, you want to reorganize that. Create a folder called "DLL" and put all DLL files in it, a folder called "SYS" for all SYS files, a folder called EXE for all EXE files, etc. That way your computer can find what it's looking for faster.
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No, you want to reorganize that. Create a folder called "DLL" and put all DLL files in it, a folder called "SYS" for all SYS files, a folder called EXE for all EXE files, etc. That way your computer can find what it's looking for faster.


Seems legit...
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I'm guessing the OP did not have the game setup right if the graphics were that bad. The game still looks really good - especially the environments. The characters themselves aren't quite up to par with say FFXIII, but they aren't bad and I would argue the environments look better. Getting the graphics configued correctly can take a bit of work and if you don't do it the game will look really bad.

As far as the game itself, I am still playing it and still enjoying it. I'm actually enjoying all the new content so much I am having a hard time convincing myself I want to start over in XIV. I am sure my mind will be changed once it is finally released, but FFXI is still top dog quality wise in my opinion. Nostalgia aside, the game is a good deal better than it was 5 or 6 years ago (as long as you can forget about those 3 sad excuses for add-ons).
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I can't lie, the thought crossed my mind, but the problem is, i have NOTHINg fun to do in XI.
If i actually wanted to do anything, id have to 1st clean up my 8 mules, and bag space to start anything, not mentioning the 2 month period of time it would take to make any gil to actually DO anything fun... oh wait, FFXIV will already be out...

Yeah I was able to convince myself the reason i quit will still be there.

At least now, in FFXIV, even if its a repeat, i'll have the fun of duoing with my GF.
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I've talked to people who still currently play XI and are in the XIV beta and they tell me if feels very much like XI-2. The videos I've seen of game play look to me to look like XI-2 and I do not just mean the very obvious cosmetic similarities. The game was developed by the exact same team. The reason the races look the same is, as the developers stated, is to let the players from XI feel like they have moved their character into this new world.

So why is it all I hear on these forums is that the two games will be nothing alike? Is there that much distain from ex-XI players that they are optimistic this new game will be nothing like the previous one? I agree it will be more laid back than XI was, but FFXI right now is 10x more casual friendly than it was 5 years ago.

I guess I just don't understand those people looking for something completely different from XI choosing this MMO. Personally, I loved XI years ago and enjoyed it more and more as SE slowly changes the most frustrating aspects of the game while keeping what made the game great in the first place in place.

When certain development teams make different games you usually end up with very similar products. I would have been able to tell you Dragon Age was a Bioware game if no one ever told me. Same with Betheseda. This is not only SquareEnix, but there is a reason they kept the same team together. It was to repeat the success of the original while taking lessons learned from their own game as well as other MMOs. Anyone expecting a World of Warcraft with moogles and chocobos is going to be disapointed. For the rest of us who loved FFXI, but would like the next experience in HD and tweaked ideas are likely to love this game.
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Agree with the spirit of the OP's post, though, the graphics aren't as bad as he said.

I did basically the same thing about two years ago, went back and tried to get back into FFXI again but it was really hard to do because the game was so infernally slow, and I'm not talking about leveling, I mean combat. It takes forever for the game to respond to your input and what makes it worse is SE insisted on immobilizing you during the long animations. Anyway, got my rdm to 20 something and decided the game wasn't for me anymore. Hoping FFXIV fixes this sort of thing as that was basically the biggest reason I quit FFXI for good back in the day (the other being poor customer service and a horrendous billing system).
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#39 Aug 09 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
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The next thing that hit me is just how bad the graphics and animation were - It was truly, truly terrible! I dont remember it being anywhere near as bad as that.


I have to disagree. For a game that's been running for years, they had pretty decent graphics for an old MMO.

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