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#1 Aug 07 2010 at 10:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey. I've been lurking here for over a year I think because I'm not very chatty on forums but I just decided to open an account here.

I'd like an opinion regarding my benchmark score.

I'm running a studio laptop for high-end digital media development and 3D rendering, though it's definitely not a gaming rig. These are my specs:

Core i7 620M 2.67GHz
8GB RAM
1TB HD
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 1GB

I score 1,700 on the benchmark.

At first I figured the HD 5650 GPU was holding me back as it's pretty middle class and I've been researching what a lot of people here have been saying; however, I heard from beta testers and others that the Mobility 5650 is actually capable of scoring around 3,000. Is it my CPU? On passmark my CPU scored around 8,000 if I remember.

Does anyone else have computer specs similar to this?

Edited, Aug 8th 2010 12:29am by Rjain
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#2 Aug 07 2010 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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a 5650 in a desktop would be weak enough that I'd advise an upgrade. As you'll notice from other people with laptops posting in other threads, laptops all have horrible performance compared to desktops. the benchmark score you listed is actually higher than I would have expected. If you can upgrade the GPU, I would suggest doing so.

Even so, a laptop isn't going to clear 4000 on low, even with the best possible parts. High end laptops score in the 3000-3500 range.
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#3 Aug 07 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Another question I would like to ask about this is how do you determine the accuracy of the benchmark in the first place? I keep hearing how flawed it is.

The thing that I wonder about is that when I compare my benchmark to my friends' and videos I see of others recording on YouTube there is no visual difference. There is not much choppiness, no visual lag, the rendering seems to go perfectly. The only difference I find is when I look at the videos that score over 7,000 the thing goes significantly faster. Actually, quite distastefully faster. I don't know if they increased the speed on the video manually or if their computer caused the scene to render faster than normal but it looked terrible.

Would it be safe to say that if there is no visual lag in the benchmark that the game will run fine?
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#4 Aug 07 2010 at 10:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a Dell XPS M1710 and have a problem... I CANT RUN THIS BENCHMARK IT TOO **** SLOW AND CAN'T SEE THE COUNT.
#5 Aug 07 2010 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone who is claiming the benchmark is inaccurate is just trying to console themselves over a low score and convince themselves that their computer isn't that bad. The Alpha was running on extremely low quality graphics and the beta improved them. We don't know that the retail won't improve them further. Until 9/22, your best bet is to assume that the benchmark is accurate.

If 9/22 rolls around and you can get it to run okay, then so be it. Until then, our best bet is to assume that the people who made the game have a rough idea of how well it will run.

The benchmark will still run pretty much fine, even on low end systems; the actual game will likely vary. I got very little lag on the benchmark on my laptop, and my laptop lags on FFXI and WoW unless I turn the settings down.
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#6 Aug 07 2010 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess I will have to wait and see. Worst case scenario I will have to use my friend's computer when it's available and I think it scores around 6,000. Laptop GPUs are almost impossible to upgrade so I'll have to make due with this one.
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#7 Aug 07 2010 at 11:26 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, laptop -anything- is pretty much impossible to easily upgrade (RAM and HD are probably it; optical drive in some systems)
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#8 Aug 07 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a little surprised you dont score just a bit higher though. I get like 1800~ and I have a dual core 2.53ghz and a geforce 9800M GS. Do you have the latest graphics drivers?
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#9 Aug 07 2010 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Well for some reason when i run the benchmark it goes to the screen i can here music but where it says score the numbers never move. I play WOW and AION perfectly fine even Star Craft II with all settings maxed with no lagg.
#10 Aug 07 2010 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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That is what I was wondering. I'm not very smart with hardware.

I downloaded the most recent Catalyst Control Centre if that counts as an upgrade for the driver.

Like I said there have been reports of people in beta scoring 2,000-3,000 with the exact same GPU as me which is what leaves me curious for if I'm doing something wrong.

My goal to begin with was 2,500 or so. I don't need excellent performance but I don't want lots of lag either.
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#11 Aug 07 2010 at 11:50 PM Rating: Good
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The catalyst control center is kinda sorta the driver; it's usually bundled with a driver update but is not itself the driver per se.
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#12 Aug 07 2010 at 11:52 PM Rating: Decent
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When I go into my computer's hardware settings and click on the video card, the "Update Driver" button is greyed out and said that it was last updated several months ago. I updated CCC a few days ago. Is there a way I can update the driver itself for Mobility Radeon HD 5650 without CCC? If there's an update that is. I can't find one.
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#13 Aug 08 2010 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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Try ATI.com or your manufacturer's (Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba) website.
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#14 Aug 08 2010 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a 5770 HD Radeon, Athlon II x4 635, 2.9 GHz processor, 4 GB RAM.

I run the benchmark at 3600-4000 on Low. So I would say yours is about right for a laptop?

Does updating the drivers make that big of a difference? I haven't done that yet though, just assumed it would have the best updates already since I JUST got it friday.
#15 Aug 08 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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According to XOTICPC,
Asus G51JX-3D scored 1895 on benchemark test with NVIDIA GTS 360M.
He also said that Sager NP8690 with NVIDIA GTX 285M may score 35% higher than Asus G51JX-3D.



Edited, Aug 8th 2010 10:05am by hexid
#16 Aug 08 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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Yep, sounds about right for me. My Asus G73 with 5870m and i7 720QM only gets about 3600-3700 on low, and that's with just about everything disabled and every windows tweak I've ever learned applied to the system.

As much as I dislike Mik's description of all laptop performance:
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laptops all have horrible performance compared to desktops


His assessment is fairly accurate.
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#17 Aug 08 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I tried to do just about every tweak I could other than overclocking because I'm uncomfortable with that and I still can't break 1,700. Even if I set my driver settings to optimal performance and shut off EVERY unnecessary process while running the benchmark it doesn't change the score. I'm even unsure if turboboost is kicking in on my i7.

I am fairly certain that the benchmark does not take full advantage of the computer, and since it's running in windowed mode as opposed to full screen the score would typically be lower. Full screen seems to run better for people, especially on laptops. I won't argue the fact because I'm not a doctor when it comes to computer science but that seems to be the opinion I'm getting from most people.

I am pretty confident I will be able to run the game without much trouble, but I'm hoping it won't lag too much in party situations. Again worst case scenario I use my friend's computer.
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#18 Aug 08 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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There were 2 hardware virtualization options in my G73s BIOS. Disabling those boosted my performance numbers a hundred or two. Also right click on the benchmark .exe file and choose to run with virtual themes and desktop composition disabled in compatibility mode. Helps free up a little bit of the GFX card for the benchmark.
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#19 Aug 08 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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There were 2 hardware virtualization options in my G73s BIOS. Disabling those boosted my performance numbers a hundred or two. Also right click on the benchmark .exe file and choose to run with virtual themes and desktop composition disabled in compatibility mode. Helps free up a little bit of the GFX card for the benchmark.


The last thing you mentioned boosted performance by about 40 points in benchmark.

I don't understand what you meant regarding BIOS though.
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#20 Aug 08 2010 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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Rjain wrote:
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There were 2 hardware virtualization options in my G73s BIOS. Disabling those boosted my performance numbers a hundred or two. Also right click on the benchmark .exe file and choose to run with virtual themes and desktop composition disabled in compatibility mode. Helps free up a little bit of the GFX card for the benchmark.


The last thing you mentioned boosted performance by about 40 points in benchmark.

I don't understand what you meant regarding BIOS though.


When the computer boots, you can access the BIOS by pressing a key, it will tell you onscreen, although usually only for a second or two; it's typically F2, or DEL in 90% of systems. Other keys used are F11 and ESC.

If you don't know how to get to the BIOS or what you're doing when you're in there, it's probably best not to mess around in there. Turning the wrong thing on or off could leave you in a situation where you're ****** and you won't know how to fix it.
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#21 Aug 25 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
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Hey i would like to know if what kind of score this laptop would get on FFIV.. and im just looking to play StarCraft 2, FFIV and Diablo 3 on it.

Intel® Core™ i7 820QM 1.73GHz (3.06GHz Turbo Mode, 8MB Cache)
CrossfireX™ 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ Mobility HD 5870 (Dual 5870's)
6GB Memory (1x 2GB, 1x 4GB DDR3)
640GB Raid 0 (2x 320GB 7,200RPM HDDs)

Its a Alienware M17x
#22 Aug 25 2010 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
EDIT: Wow... didn't even notice that, with the exception of the post above mine, this had been settled for so long.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 3:35pm by PLDXavier
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