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#1 Aug 08 2010 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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AMD Phenom™ II X6 1055T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
750GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache

after reading the reply, I reorder the system and switch to 1055T + 5870 cards
and I went to ibuypower their case looks nice, but the price are higher then Dell with same spec, any idea how this spec setup what will the benchmark score to be?

Edited, Aug 8th 2010 3:53am by KariLeee

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#2 Aug 08 2010 at 1:49 AM Rating: Decent
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In my opinion, get a custom built PC, not a Dell. Get more bang for your buck.

At least, that's how it is in my country.
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For $1200 this is not a good deal. I agree with Shujinx, a custom PC will give you much better performance for that price. You can try these sites for a custom PC:

http://www.ibuypower.com/

http://www.pugetsystems.com/

Edited, Aug 8th 2010 3:59am by lsykora
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#5 Aug 08 2010 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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For the specs you listed, it's not that good of a deal to get that for $869.

The video card you picked (ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB ) is too slow to run FFXIV very well, you should go with something faster.

You don't need 8GB of RAM to run FFXIV, you are better off getting 4GB of faster ram, like 1600Mhz.

#6 Aug 08 2010 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Im sorry but this computer will not work. You need to invest your money in cleaning and cooking supplies. You are a female, you automatically have +5 in cooking/cleaning.
#7 Aug 08 2010 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
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so what might the benchmark point to be?

what id i switch to AMD Phenom™ II X6 1055T + ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB?

will that help a bit?

thanks..
#8 Aug 08 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Decent
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man that computer is a rip off build your own computer.

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#9 Aug 08 2010 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
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It seems whenever someone posts about buying a pre-built PC, invariably they'll post some underperforming graphics card... And most who respond write off the idea altogether. I'd suggest giving them both options.. The best choices are either improving the pre-built (which is as simple as clicking and choosing a 5770 instead of a 5670..), or building it yourself.

For example, I'm looking at Dell desktops in the range of $1,025 to $1,275.. Scaling in part based on i7-860 vs i7-920 and 5770 vs 5870.. You can get decent performance without breaking the bank - do you pay to have it built for you, a warranty, etc? Sure, but to some people it may be worth these things.

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personally, (and i know I'll be flamed for this) I think that if you're clueless about building a computer, you have 2 choices to make life easier:

1) Just wait for the game to be released on PS3, the game will be optimized for the PS3 settings.

2) Alienware makes computers specifically for gamers. The majority of their new computers (on the higherish end) will run FFXIV.

EDIT: Btw, Dells are notorious for not coming standard with a graphics card that support games. You're going to need to hit up best buy and get a graphics card right away.)

Edited, Aug 8th 2010 8:15am by Pontipy
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edit: I know I'll get flamed, just a joke that made me laugh cause I saw the pic on a different site as I was browsing these forums.

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#12 Aug 08 2010 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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OP, I'm the same as you. I barely knew anything about computers and upon making the decision to invest money into a new rig to play this, I made sure to find out as much as I could. I read many threads in the forums, listened to advice, and asked friends for their opinions.

It's been a common response that getting a pre-built Dell or HP computer is definitely NOT the way to go to build a gaming system for your PC. Buying all the parts seperately is definitely the best way to go. For someone not that knowledgeable about computers, I felt uneasy building my own from scratch, even though it's the best performance-cost ratio.

The solution for me was to go to a computer specialty store that is very knowlegeable in building gaming PC's. They make the rig for you, and they generally have many different price ranges. I made sure to know what CPU's and GPU's were good and bad to make my selection that much easier. Make sure to get the proper processor and proper video card, and the rest pretty much falls into place, especially since most decent new computers come with a 64-bit operating system nowadays I believe.

Buying those premade Dells and HP's from places like Best Buy and Future Shop aren't really gonna fly with this game I don't think.
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If you dont know how to build PCs and dont want to get into it, you should look through your local newspaper and find a small IT business and explain your needs. Chances are you'll end up asking some college IT student who is making a few quid on the side.
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#14 Aug 08 2010 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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My comp:
Dell Studio Athlon II x4 630 (2.0GHz)
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5
750GB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive 7200 RPM
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6GB DDR3 SDRAM, 1333MHz, 2x2GB+2x1GB

Benchmarked 3500 on low, cost about $1140 incl. monitor and speakers.

And as a girl, I was capable of posting questions on the appropriate threads, doing research, AND baking brownies.
#15 Aug 08 2010 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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only thing i would chance is the video card.. something like 5850, though if you are topping your budget right now, im pretty sure this one PC will run FFXIV just fine.
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#16 Aug 08 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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The amd hexacore processors aren't that good. You're better off getting a quad core.
The ram is overkill. You only need 4gigs.
The video card, while probably sufficient to play, is still fairly low budget.

Downgrade the ram and the hexacore and get a better video card. At least a 5770, but a 5850 or 5870 would be huge improvements if you can afford them.
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KariLeee wrote:
so what might the benchmark point to be?

what id i switch to AMD Phenom™ II X6 1055T + ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB?

will that help a bit?

thanks..


I will give you the advice I give everyone that wants a prebuilt PC and tries to get one from Dell:

Don't.

Instead, go to AVA Direct (I only recommend them because I know their PC configurator and prices well and have had good experiences with them in the past) via this link:

http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=15159

Select the following options (most will already be the default):

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
HEC Orion HP 585D 585W Power Supply, 24-pin ATX, ATX12V, Dual 80mm Fans, OEM
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H (rev. 1.0), AM3, AMD® 785G, DDR3-1800 (O.C.)
AMD Phenom™ II X6 1055T Six-Core 2.8GHz, AM3, HT 4000MHz, 6x 512KB L2 + 6MB L3 cache, 125W, 45nm, Retail
CRUCIAL 4GB (2 x 2GB) PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz CL9 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5770 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
SONY AD-7241S Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Lightscribe, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)

When you click Update Price you will have a total of $850, which is both cheaper and better than the original Dell configuration you posted.

If you want even more bang for your buck, don't select a GPU and your total will be $775. Then buy a GTX 460 1GB for $230 and install it yourself (it is very easy). That would give you a very solid gaming rig for right around $900.

Edited, Aug 8th 2010 12:07pm by Enscheff
#18 Aug 08 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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The amd hexacore processors aren't that good. You're better off getting a quad core.
The ram is overkill. You only need 4gigs.
The video card, while probably sufficient to play, is still fairly low budget.


Ar you sating that because of the price vs performance difference of the Hexacore vs the quad core? Or is there something misleading about having 2 more cores?

I'd really like to know since I was eyeballing the 970 for once the price drops.
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#19 Aug 08 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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Definitely build your own instead of buying one. The fact that you have lady parts does not disqualify you from doing so; Olorinus (one of the regular posters around here) is building her own PC for XIV and has never done so, she could vouch for such.

If you must buy retail, repeat the following words out loud: "I like getting ripped off". Repeat them until Dell/HP/Whoever ships the thing.

At any rate, sites like ibuypower and avadirect are at least more customizable. They're still more expensive than building it yourself but less than a major computer "manufacturer". When I say "manufacturer", I mean that all Dell/HP/etc do is buy the least expensive parts they can find, toss them into a case with their name on it, install Windows, mark it up 10 to 50 percent, and ship it to you.

Definitely don't get less than a 600W Power Supply. (More depending on video card). Definitely don't get less than a Radeon 5770 or GTX 460. Definitely get 4-6 GB of RAM (8 or more is overkill). Definitely don't get a dual core processor (Quad or Hexacore only).
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The amd hexacore processors aren't that good. You're better off getting a quad core.
The ram is overkill. You only need 4gigs.
The video card, while probably sufficient to play, is still fairly low budget.


Ar you sating that because of the price vs performance difference of the Hexacore vs the quad core? Or is there something misleading about having 2 more cores?

I'd really like to know since I was eyeballing the 970 for once the price drops.


The AMD hexacores are better than the AMD Quad cores, but Intel's hexacores are way better than AMD's hexacores.
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#21 Aug 08 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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Im sorry but this computer will not work. You need to invest your money in cleaning and cooking supplies. You are a female, you automatically have +5 in cooking/cleaning.


Sshhh.. it's been proven that women are weaker to addiction and substance abuse than men. If they get addicted to MMOs, they'll stop nagging us all the time. My wife is a perfect example of this.

Scenario:
Me: "Honey I think we need two computers so we can both play"
Her: "Oh yeah we can both play at the same time? How much?"
Me: "about a thousand.."
Her: "Really? and we can both play?"
Me: ".... yeah.."
Her: "Cool! We should get two desks too!"

Our entire relationship has been smooth ever since.
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#22 Aug 08 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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The amd hexacore processors aren't that good. You're better off getting a quad core.
The ram is overkill. You only need 4gigs.
The video card, while probably sufficient to play, is still fairly low budget.


Ar you sating that because of the price vs performance difference of the Hexacore vs the quad core? Or is there something misleading about having 2 more cores?

I'd really like to know since I was eyeballing the 970 for once the price drops.


The AMD hexacores are better than the AMD Quad cores, but Intel's hexacores are way better than AMD's hexacores.
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And you could also build three AMD hexacore systems for the price of one Intel six-core system. Price/performance AMD is at the top, but if you want the highest theoretical performance regardless of cost then you would go Intel. Now if only you could plug two hexacore AMD processors onto an Opteron motherboard...

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#23 Aug 08 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Definitely build your own instead of buying one. The fact that you have lady parts does not disqualify you from doing so; Olorinus (one of the regular posters around here) is building her own PC for XIV and has never done so, she could vouch for such.


Yep, doing it.
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The AMD hexacores are better than the AMD Quad cores,............................


Actually, Ghz vs Ghz, the AMD's x4s are actually better in gaming VS the x6s.

The Hexcores only shine when you OC it greatly. And runs a little cooler too.

If we are using the FFXIV benchmark as a "benchmark".

At low res, your CPU is more important. At high res, GPU. <--- which is true on most games out there.

The best direction for a new rig would be, get a PII 965 or 955(can easily OC it to 3.4Ghz), cut down rams to 4GB, use the rest of the $$$ on a 5850 or 5870, if budget permits.
Alternatively, get one of those factory OCed 460s. <--- get the 1GB version not the 768MB versions


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#25 Aug 08 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
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after doing some more research my combo set will running like this

ATI Radeon HD 5870 AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ 2.8 GHz 4168 high res 4329 low res (Which I know is not the best, but should be playable in HD)

and for my past experience I usually open web browser, Vent, and MSN during long hour game play, so I chose X6 over i5, which more for multitasking.

and btw... I got an 75 Nin/ 75 War/ 75 SAM/ 75 DK/ and I do main/off tank most of the HNM in my LS.... so...I am not a house wife type...


Edited, Aug 9th 2010 12:43am by KariLeee
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KariLeee wrote:
after doing some more research my combo set will running like this

ATI Radeon HD 5870 AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ 2.8 GHz 4168 high res 4329 low res (Which I know is not the best, but should be playable in HD)

and for my past experience I usually open web browser, Vent, and MSN during long hour game play, so I chose X6 over i5, which more for multitasking.

and btw... I got an 75 Nin/ 75 War/ 75 SAM/ 75 DK/ and I do main/off tank most of the HNM in my LS.... so...I am not a house wife type...


Edited, Aug 9th 2010 12:43am by KariLeee


I see...so that whole "I'm just a girl please help" stuff in the original post was just bait to get our attention and hopefully quicker responses....well played...
#27 Aug 09 2010 at 1:32 AM Rating: Default
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.......no, I am a girl and dont know computer that much...but since I didnt really get too much help from the reply, so I just keep reading and during research.....

well...I did thanks for the ppl who give me some good answer and for those who put...girls should only cooking reply....nvm to those...
#28 Aug 09 2010 at 1:40 AM Rating: Good
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KariLeee wrote:
.......no, I am a girl and dont know computer that much...but since I didnt really get too much help from the reply, so I just keep reading and during research.....

well...I did thanks for the ppl who give me some good answer and for those who put...girls should only cooking reply....nvm to those...


I wasn't implying anything negative there, just my style of sarcastic humor...and while I want to help all the people asking pc questions, I tend to let the people who really know what they're talking about take care of it

I would've suggested to downgrade to a phenomiix4 955 or 965, especially if you don't intend to overclock...but it seems like you did your research and since you plan to multitask quite a bit, that choice makes sense
Of course the 5870 is a wise choice...
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Me: "Honey I think we need two computers so we can both play"
Her: "Oh yeah we can both play at the same time? How much?"
Me: "about a thousand.."
Her: "Really? and we can both play?"
Me: ".... yeah.."
Her: "Cool! We should get two desks too!"

Our entire relationship has been smooth ever since.


I have to call my wife right now and tell her I found her missing twin!
Mine went something like

Her: That looks like a lot of fun. Too bad there's no way to join you
Me: Sure there is. I'm on X-box you can play on our PC
Her: With you? At the same time?
Me: Uh huh.
Her: ..... Hello Gamestop, do you have any Final Fantasy XIs in for PC
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#31 Aug 09 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a 1055T with a Gigabyte 460 Gtx and I score about 4500 low and 2700 high after overclocking my 1055T to 3.4 Ghz. Might get the same numbers or a bit higher. Good Luck!
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I see...so that whole "I'm just a girl please help" stuff in the original post was just bait to get our attention and hopefully quicker responses....well played...


I just LOL'd.
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