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#1 Aug 09 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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This may be the unpopular opinion, because I'm kinda digging the lack of POL along with many other people. But at the same time, I kinda wish XIV was tied into XI's POL so that you could PM users between games. Basically, people playing XI could PM friends in XIV and vice versa.
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#2 Aug 09 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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the less POL the better, the fact that it's 100% GONE from FFXIV makes me extremely happy.
#3 Aug 09 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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It's a nice idea as a way to stay in touch with old friends. But it's left to being wishful thinking at this point.
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PlayOnline seemed like a really cool little frontend for FFXI but it ended up being so clunky and pointlessly time-consuming to trudge though, and so many aspects of it never even got put to any use at all, and it was never "improved" from what I know in any way, I'd rather just be rid of it. Heck, I'd feel better if it were removed from FFXI as well.
#5 Aug 09 2010 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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Well the main thing that POL added to XI (you know, besides making login take an extra minute) was that you could send messages to people who were offline.

Would be a nice addition in general to XI or XIV.
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#6 Aug 09 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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POL was to FFXI what AOL was to the internet POST BROADBAND.

I say steal a page from WoW's folder and impliment a mailbox.
Actually, steal 2 pages and grab WoW's calendar as well.
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#7 Aug 09 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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No POL is news to me. I don't think it will be that big of a deal. Hopefully it'll make logging in a bit easier.
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That said, do you think FFXIV be available to Steam users? Certainly not at release, but perhaps later down the road.

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#9 Aug 09 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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#10 Aug 09 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
Well the main thing that POL added to XI (you know, besides making login take an extra minute) was that you could send messages to people who were offline.

Would be a nice addition in general to XI or XIV.

Luckily, we also have email. If you think you'll need to message someone while they're offline, ask for their email. I don't see a need to consolidate all these services into one place.
#11 Aug 09 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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POL was to FFXI what AOL was to the internet POST BROADBAND.

I say steal a page from WoW's folder and impliment a mailbox.
Actually, steal 2 pages and grab WoW's calendar as well.



In a way, I can agree with your point on this. I don't know much about WoW as I only played for a few months like 4 years ago but...

I am actually a proponent of POL. Yes, I know logging into XI required you to press a few buttons. To me, that wasn't a big deal vs it's usefulness. With POL, you could:

* Message online and offline players; send messages to multiple people at once
* Those messages did not have to be read in-game
* Those messages could be both read and sent from the web --smartphones these days too-- (Play Online Plus)
* Send/receive Emails
* Setup custom Email addresses. Mine was Osarion@pol.com awesome.
* Use your cell phone to email messages to people who could receive them while they were playing XI (if you needed to coordinate stuff while not at your PC etc etc)
* Search for players and add them to your friends list, both possible from being out of game
* Chat in the POL chatroom (nobody really ever used this)
* Set up a custom profile for each of your characters
* Make changes to your POL/FFXI account
* Chat with POL/Game support
* Customize the POL BGM and Background art (no big deal, I realize)


It had downsides too. But these are the things I'm going to miss about POL. It's functionality.
#12 Aug 09 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I wasn't an inherent fan of POL, I just liked the added stuff it gave you and wished that you could talk inter-game between XI and XIV.
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I don't see why they couldn't implement some of these features without playonline. Most of it has been done [or partially done] by other companies previously. The huge one I'd LIKE to see is an app that allows you to log in on your phone and talk with your shell or send whispers/tells/PMs. .whatever you'd like to call them. POL's email may have functioned for this, but using an E-mail system is so cumbersome these days, especially when I already have 6 or 7 email addresses to keep track of already.

I suggest blatantly stealing WoW's calendar app en masse' because the whole thing is absolutely the most useful organizational implimentation I've ever seen. You can plan events out [raids, w/e] have it send mass invites to everyone's inbox, as well as schedule changes or cancellations. You can see who accepted/declined events. You could use the WoW app for the iPhone to check the calendar, and accept/decline events while not even in-game.

For in game communications you simply went to a mailbox, typed in the username, and sent the message. I'm not 100% sure you could do mass sendings, but that shouldn't be a difficult feature to add.

Honestly though, a well thought out smart phone app could fulfil 90% of these requirements. Whether or not SE decides to get creative and MAKE The thing. . well. . . .I know, i'm dreaming.

I say we petition SE to hire Wint, with the sole purpose of developing said app ;) Then we can all get w/e functionality we want :D
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On top of everything that has been mentioned, I remember:

Having to re-enter my CC info into POL. I had to enter my User ID / Password / SE Password / OTP for (at least what felt like) every single screen. Totally unnecessary.. POL password is more than enough for subsequent screens.

I am still unable to access my email because it updates separately (not gonna bother calling them since I still get PMs.. really, whats the point?).

I have used any of the POL services mentioned before me probably a total of 5 times in the last 6-7 years.

Other than allowing me to play Tetra Master, I would say POL really had no purpose. Nothing was integrated and offline messaging could be (is) available through the FL in game. POL was never a necessity, just a lot of unsigned hype. Besides, messaging people through the POL+ web interface was worthless since they had to log in to check it/respond anyway. The only solution to this was to set it up so that your emails were being forwarded. The Community Portal that SE developed can be capable of that and much more.

Add this to the heartache of not being able to play thanks to errors on the part of POL and I am happy it will be gone. Even SE realized that they were better off without it.

Sorry I started and couldn't stop lol.. All SE has to do is tie the messaging feature into another community portal and you could easily send messages between the two. The amount of work and support involved could be complex depending on what POL requires.

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#15 Aug 10 2010 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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If they used something like POL, I certainly wouldn't it to be POL itself for the simple reason that I hate not getting to choose an account name. After 4 years I barely had my account name memorized.
#16 Aug 10 2010 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank <insert deity here> that POL is nowhere to be seen with FFXIV, When i first saw that it wasn't being included i was so happy, WooTwooT
#17 Aug 10 2010 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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* Message online and offline players; send messages to multiple people at once
* Those messages did not have to be read in-game
* Those messages could be both read and sent from the web --smartphones these days too-- (Play Online Plus)
* Send/receive Emails
* Setup custom Email addresses. Mine was Osarion@pol.com awesome.
* Use your cell phone to email messages to people who could receive them while they were playing XI (if you needed to coordinate stuff while not at your PC etc etc)
* Search for players and add them to your friends list, both possible from being out of game
* Make changes to your POL/FFXI account


If they could wrap these features into SE accounts and let you access it from both in-game and online, that would be the best of both worlds.
#18 Aug 10 2010 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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I liked POL for its accessability to my friends list, even when I wasn't in game. Even though I no longer play FFXI, I still have my POL account and send messages to my friends saying hello etc...

Even though FFXIV isn't going to use POL, I hope they have some type of communication system that gives the same access to your friends.
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#19 Aug 10 2010 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I like the idea of being able to talk to old FFXI friends but I hate the idea of POL. I remember it (as I can see many others do) as slow, annoying and not really worth anything. I never used the features of POL and now it has been so long since I last used it I doubt any friends I have there are still hanging around. Just get me directly in to the game and don't waste my time with several login screens and interfaces I don't need.
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#20 Aug 10 2010 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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POL was a sound idea, in theory atleast. When SE's vision on online gameplay was grand in scope, It seemed to make sense to tie everything together in one simple gateway. Too bad nobody (no living, breathing person I know anyway) ever used the only other game tied to POL, Tetra Master. Like many features in FFXI itself, it was poorly implemented, but a good idea at heart. But, live and learn.

I can't say I'll miss it entirely, but I had many fond memories of it's many features. I loved the chat rooms, when there was huge update/downtime days. I liked sending/reading messages without actually logging ingame. Just toying with the music/Background options, or reading the old FFXI newsletters and such.
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I liked the music in POL and how polished it was. However for most people it was unnecessary and redundant.
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
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* Message online and offline players; send messages to multiple people at once
* Those messages did not have to be read in-game
* Those messages could be both read and sent from the web --smartphones these days too-- (Play Online Plus)
* Send/receive Emails
* Setup custom Email addresses. Mine was Osarion@pol.com awesome.
* Use your cell phone to email messages to people who could receive them while they were playing XI (if you needed to coordinate stuff while not at your PC etc etc)
* Search for players and add them to your friends list, both possible from being out of game
* Make changes to your POL/FFXI account


If they could wrap these features into SE accounts and let you access it from both in-game and online, that would be the best of both worlds.


Agreed. Also, it would be nice if this was an optional feature. You could either hit "Play" or "Messages", basically it would not be necessary to forward through the message screens if you just wanted to play for 20 mins or so.
#23 Aug 10 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Majivo wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
Well the main thing that POL added to XI (you know, besides making login take an extra minute) was that you could send messages to people who were offline.

Would be a nice addition in general to XI or XIV.

Luckily, we also have email. If you think you'll need to message someone while they're offline, ask for their email. I don't see a need to consolidate all these services into one place.


I like the added buffer between game and real life, especially where e-mail is concerned. I may be friends with a person on FFXIV, but I may not want them to have a means to contact me outside of the game/POL. Nor would I want FFXIV game messages mixed in with my regular RL e-mail. It was also convenient that the client for sending/reading messages was built into the game. Not to mention that POL messages were good for letting people know you'd be on shortly after your updates are finished.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I liked POL, or at least didn't mind it. There was a lot of extraneous functionality tied to the system, but you never had to deal with it. What was probably the biggest regular hindrance was that it took a couple of seconds to enter in the password to log in. Getting a wrapper client to handle messages and see who was online without logging into the game itself was worth it, though. I could have my POL password entered, connect to POL, and receive all the information I wanted in less time than it took to launch the game, agree to ToS, select my character, and connect to the server.
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The only thing I remember about Play Online actually had nothing to do with FFXI. It had to do with FFIX.

I got the Official Game Guide for FFIX along with the game for some holiday or birthday or somesuch. But the guide itself sucked... why? Because it was incomplete! For every secret, for every quest, for every good item, it said "Want to know how to get this? Log into Play Online and enter this code!"

It was fine, if annoying, when the game first came out. I would have to go back and forth from computer to Playstation, finding what I needed.

The problem was years later when I went to replay the game. Using my trusty guide, I went to Play Online... to find that it had been completely changed, and now ONLY referred to FFXI. The guide I had been given years ago was pretty much worthless. There was no way to access the old guide online at all.

Ever since then I've really disliked Play Online :-P
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The only thing I remember about Play Online actually had nothing to do with FFXI. It had to do with FFIX.

I got the Official Game Guide for FFIX along with the game for some holiday or birthday or somesuch. But the guide itself sucked... why? Because it was incomplete! For every secret, for every quest, for every good item, it said "Want to know how to get this? Log into Play Online and enter this code!"

It was fine, if annoying, when the game first came out. I would have to go back and forth from computer to Playstation, finding what I needed.

The problem was years later when I went to replay the game. Using my trusty guide, I went to Play Online... to find that it had been completely changed, and now ONLY referred to FFXI. The guide I had been given years ago was pretty much worthless. There was no way to access the old guide online at all.

Ever since then I've really disliked Play Online :-P



I had actually forgotten about that little fiasco. I didn't have a PC at the time, so unless I was at the lab at school or the library, I was screwed.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
The only thing I remember about Play Online actually had nothing to do with FFXI. It had to do with FFIX.

I got the Official Game Guide for FFIX along with the game for some holiday or birthday or somesuch. But the guide itself sucked... why? Because it was incomplete! For every secret, for every quest, for every good item, it said "Want to know how to get this? Log into Play Online and enter this code!"

It was fine, if annoying, when the game first came out. I would have to go back and forth from computer to Playstation, finding what I needed.

The problem was years later when I went to replay the game. Using my trusty guide, I went to Play Online... to find that it had been completely changed, and now ONLY referred to FFXI. The guide I had been given years ago was pretty much worthless. There was no way to access the old guide online at all.

Ever since then I've really disliked Play Online :-P


Indeed, online guides are better for online games and paper guides are better for single player ones.
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