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#1 Aug 09 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi everyone, first let me just say I'm not very technical minded so I would appreciate all the help I can get.

Just over a week ago I contacted Dell to get an idea about cost for a PC which would enable me to play FFXIV and was advised of the following:

Inspiron 580:

BaseIntel® Core™ i3 Processor 540 (3.06GHz, 4MB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit - English
ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 1GB DDR3 graphics
4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory
RAM 4GB

Comparing with the system requirements in the official web site I though I would be able to play no problem...my new PC arrived today and I went and got the benchmar and ran it. To my dismay I'm getting around 700 or lower which to me doesn't make any sense.

From what I read, Windows7 comes with Direcx11 which should be enough but I also updated with the latest driver along with ATI Catalyst for the Radeon HD.

Anyone has any ideas?
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That's like trusting a drug dealer with your money!

Dell and HP are not gaming PC's.

Edit: You need a better processor and a better video card.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 4:46pm by ShonaSeraph
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Send it back if you can. If not get a better graphics card (like a 5770 or a 460).
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I have to ask, is that a notebook or a desktop because I have never heard of an I3 processor till now. So I might be out of the loop or something, but a quick google search brought me to the wiki page on Intel cpus and it quotes this:

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The Core i3 was intended to be the new low end of the performance processor line from Intel, following the retirement of the Core 2 brand


Depending on how much you paid, it really sounds that you got screwed on a cpu my friend.
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; ; can you still get your money back? Whoever suggested that to you doesn't know much.

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nspiron 580:

BaseIntel® Core™ i3 Processor 540 (3.06GHz, 4MB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit - English
ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 1GB DDR3 graphics
4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory
RAM 4GB


I've heard of people getting pretty good scores with a corei5 if you don't want to spend extra on an i7.
That Radeon card is terrible, minimum being suggested here is a 5770. I don't know why they gave you 4 1g ram sticks either, they should be giving you 2x 2g sticks so you can add later if you want. This is why I don't like pre-built systems.

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surprised you didn't catch that.

Return it and upgrade to a core i5 processor and have em send it without a video card. Then buy a 5770 somewhere for a good price and you'll be square.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 1:50pm by GuardianFaith
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I'm sorry if I "sound" anoyed but bear with me...

The minimum requirems on both Intel and AMD are only 2GHz, mine appears to me to be 3GHz so shouldnt it be enough?

On video the requirements ask for HD 2900 or higher and I have HD 5450..

Am I reading/understanding this wrong?
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Requirements...

CPU
Minimum: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0Ghz or higher
Minimum: AMD Athlon X2 2.0GHz or higher
Recommended: Intel Core i7-920 2.66GHz or higher
Recommended: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 GHz or higher


Graphics Card
Minimum: nVidia GeForce 9600 or better with VRAM 512MB or more
Minimum: ATI HD 2900 or better with VRAM 512MB or more
Recommended: nVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 or better with VRAM 768MB or more
Recommended: ATI HD 5830 1GB or better


Edited, Aug 9th 2010 4:51pm by ShonaSeraph
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Is the video card intigrated? honestly your processer should in theory be find the i3's are a quadcore processer, Its a little better then the one i have. your Ram is definatly okay, windows 7 64bit, is good. And you updated all drivers.
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Hugus wrote:
I'm sorry if I "sound" anoyed but bear with me...

The minimum requirems on both Intel and AMD are only 2GHz, mine appears to me to be 3GHz so shouldnt it be enough?

On video the requirements ask for HD 2900 or higher and I have HD 5450..

Am I reading/understanding this wrong?


Core i3 isn't much more than a core2duo. It will run it on low settings if you're satisfied with that. Although when you're really only saving around $50 (just looked it up, corei3 is 149.99 i5 650 is 179.99 (though the 750 is a better investment.), I don't see the point of ******** yourself for the future. The core i5 isn't that expensive and it's a quadcore.

Again with the card, you're looking @ minimum requirements. The game will run like sh*t to be frank. There is a lot more involved than just the megazhurtz.

I'm not trying to bum you out, I just think you'll regret buying a machine that's been outdated for 3 years already. i3's are for offices not gaming, and that 2900 is about as good as a VCR. The game will start and run, but you'll experience so much lag unless you turn the settings down to minimum on everything, and whats the point of that ?

If you're deadset on keeping the processor, it will suffice; but without a better video card it's being held back. Was your score on 1080p or 720p?

Moral of the story, if the reccomended is too far beyond your budget, go somewhere in between the min and max and you'll be able to play without problems.

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I'm fairly sure the i3 is just a dual core with hyperthread, not 4 logical cores like the i5. That's what sets them apart, where as the i7's are quad with hyperthread to 8.


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If you worked with a sales rep to build this and notified them you were looking to play 3d games this is what happened in car analogies.

You: I need a vehicle to race in the Indy 500 next weekend.
Sales Rep: Here is your Ford Pinto.
You: Thanks, I think...
Us: Dude.....

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If you worked with a sales rep to build this and notified them you were looking to play 3d games this is what happened in car analogies.

You: I need a vehicle to race in the Indy 500 next weekend.
Sales Rep: Here is your Ford Pinto Corvette.
You: Thanks, I think...
Us: Dude.....


ftfy, the computer isn't that ******. A pinto would be a celeron.
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I would call Dell back and ask to speak to a supervisor. Tell them what happened and that you're not satisfied with your purchase or the 'help' that was given to you by the sales rep. Selling you a gaming rig that can run WoW in 2010 is not really much help at all.
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Selling you a gaming rig that can run WoW in 2010 is not really much help at all.


Yeah just blame it on wow. :P
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Selling you a gaming rig that can run WoW in 2010 is not really much help at all.


Yeah just blame it on wow. :P


Ya really... I'm so avoiding the general forum probably for the entire month of October.
I'll go dig myself into the Botanist forum and not come back here till November when it dies down.
Seriously like 9 out of 10 threads are gonna be... "OMGWTFBBQ my computer won't run this game!!! (insert expletives)"
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Hugus wrote:
I'm sorry if I "sound" anoyed but bear with me...

The minimum requirems on both Intel and AMD are only 2GHz, mine appears to me to be 3GHz so shouldnt it be enough?

On video the requirements ask for HD 2900 or higher and I have HD 5450..

Am I reading/understanding this wrong?
Yes, you are. This is now ATi video cards break down (nVidia works basically the same way):

Radeon HD abb0

a = Generation/series number. 2 represents an old generation of cards (the current is 5). Each generation contains a full spectrum of GPUs of different capabilities.
b = Model number. Represents the quality of the card. Low numbers mean entry level cards, high numbers mean top tier cards.

A 2900 will outperform a 5450 (and by a wide margin), simply because the 2900 is a top card from the 2xxx series Radeon HDs. However, a 5870 will blow away a 2900, because it's one of the top cards of the current generation.
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The Descktop I got today cost me 630 Euro the only I'm looking from what I read here is 1450 Euro as follows

Alienware Aurora i7

CHASSIS COLOUR Alienware Aurora Standard Cosmic Black Chassis edit
PROCESSOR Intel? Core? i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz, 8MB cache, 4.8GT/sec) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English edit
SECURITY SOFTWARE No Security/Anti-Virus Protection edit
SERVICES AND SUPPORT 1 year of coverage included with your PC edit
GRAPHICS CARD 1GB ATI® Radeon™ HD 5870 graphics card edit
MEMORY 6GB 1333MHz (3x2GB) Tri Channel Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 500GB (7200RPM) SATA Hard Drive edit
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/- RW Optical Drive (DVD & CD read and write) edit
MONITOR Display Not Included edit
KEYBOARD Alienware Multimedia Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY) edit
SOUND CARD Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio

Or a Dell Studio XPS i5 at 1030 Euro, what you guys think?

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i5 Processor 650 (3.20GHz, 4MB) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English edit
SYSTEM RECOVERY OS Windows® Recovery Media Not included edit
OFFICE SOFTWARE Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Word Starter, Excel Starter) edit
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC McAfee® Security Centre - 15 Month Protection - English edit
SERVICES AND SUPPORT 1 year of coverage included with your PC edit
MONITOR Display Not Included edit
MEMORY 6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive edit
GRAPHICS CARD 1GB ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 Graphics Card edit
OPTICAL DRIVE DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD) with Roxio Easy CD and DVD Burn software edit
KEYBOARD Dell™ USB Entry Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY) edit
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio
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Hugus wrote:
The Descktop I got today cost me 630 Euro the only I'm looking from what I read here is 1450 Euro as follows

Alienware
Stopped reading there.

Alienware (like Apple) is vastly overpriced. If you're willing to throw away an extra 50% of the pricetag on a plastic logo on the case, then fine, go for an Alienware.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good computer, it's just not remotely worth the price.

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The Descktop I got today cost me 630 Euro the only I'm looking from what I read here is 1450 Euro as follows

AlienwareStopped reading there.

Alienware (like Apple) is vastly overpriced. If you're willing to throw away an extra 50% of the pricetag on a plastic logo on the case, then fine, go for an Alienware.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good computer, it's just not remotely worth the price.


The reason I went straight to Alienware is because I have the (maybe misgided) idea that these are more gaming related hardware and for the i7 processor... if I go for the Studio XPS with i7 then it would cost me 1180 Euro, so about 300 Euro less with the following specs..

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 860 (2.80GHz, 8MB) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English edit
SYSTEM RECOVERY OS Windows® Recovery Media Not included edit
OFFICE SOFTWARE Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Word Starter, Excel Starter) edit
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC McAfee® Security Centre - 15 Month Protection - English edit
SERVICES AND SUPPORT 1 year of coverage included with your PC edit
MONITOR Display Not Included edit
MEMORY 6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive edit
GRAPHICS CARD Graphics : Single 1.8GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 edit
OPTICAL DRIVE DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD) with Roxio Easy CD and DVD Burn software edit
KEYBOARD Dell™ USB Entry Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY) edit
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio

What you all think? With this one I'm a bit concerned with the Video card.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 9:40pm by Hugus
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Sorry to bump this thread but I would really like to get a clear idea from the 3 builds I presented so I can talk to Dell tomrrow and present my case.

If you guys could please give me your points of view I would appreciate it immensly..
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Hugus wrote:
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The Descktop I got today cost me 630 Euro the only I'm looking from what I read here is 1450 Euro as follows

AlienwareStopped reading there.

Alienware (like Apple) is vastly overpriced. If you're willing to throw away an extra 50% of the pricetag on a plastic logo on the case, then fine, go for an Alienware.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good computer, it's just not remotely worth the price.


The reason I went straight to Alienware is because I have the (maybe misgided) idea that these are more gaming related hardware and for the i7 processor... if I go for the Studio XPS with i7 then it would cost me 1180 Euro, so about 300 Euro less with the following specs..

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 860 (2.80GHz, 8MB) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English edit
SYSTEM RECOVERY OS Windows® Recovery Media Not included edit
OFFICE SOFTWARE Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Word Starter, Excel Starter) edit
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC McAfee® Security Centre - 15 Month Protection - English edit
SERVICES AND SUPPORT 1 year of coverage included with your PC edit
MONITOR Display Not Included edit
MEMORY 6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive edit
GRAPHICS CARD Graphics : Single 1.8GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 edit
OPTICAL DRIVE DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD) with Roxio Easy CD and DVD Burn software edit
KEYBOARD Dell™ USB Entry Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY) edit
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio

What you all think? With this one I'm a bit concerned with the Video card.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 9:40pm by Hugus


1200 is a pretty decent price for a good computer but there are some still issues, and it seems you're learning by pointing out the video card already.

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GRAPHICS CARD Graphics : Single 1.8GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 edit
meh. It'll work, but still not worth the price.

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MEMORY 6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory edit

1333Mhz ram will work, but why when you can have 1600?

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HARD DRIVE 1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive edit

500gb is more than enough for a gaming rig.

The problem with these prebuilt computers is they skimp on **** you need and throw in extra stuff you don't.

However if you just refuse to build your own or buy a barebones and fix it up on your own, this computer will run much better than the one you initially purchased.
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If you want to spend less than a thousand you could build an amd computer that would kill that i3.

Phenom II x4 955 BE: $150 (even less if you go to micro center or buy on ebay)
AM3 Mobo: $100
500gb HD: $60
CD/DVD : $30
4g Ram: $100
550w PSU: $70
Mid Case: $50
GTX 460: $200 (you can go for a 5770 for about $150)
O/s: $100

Total: $860 or $810 (57770 build)


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The Descktop I got today cost me 630 Euro the only I'm looking from what I read here is 1450 Euro as follows

AlienwareStopped reading there.

Alienware (like Apple) is vastly overpriced. If you're willing to throw away an extra 50% of the pricetag on a plastic logo on the case, then fine, go for an Alienware.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good computer, it's just not remotely worth the price.

The reason I went straight to Alienware is because I have the (maybe misgided) idea that these are more gaming related hardware and for the i7 processor... if I go for the Studio XPS with i7 then it would cost me 1180 Euro, so about 300 Euro less with the following specs..

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 860 (2.80GHz, 8MB) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English edit
SYSTEM RECOVERY OS Windows® Recovery Media Not included edit
OFFICE SOFTWARE Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Word Starter, Excel Starter) edit
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC McAfee® Security Centre - 15 Month Protection - English edit
SERVICES AND SUPPORT 1 year of coverage included with your PC edit
MONITOR Display Not Included edit
MEMORY 6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive edit
GRAPHICS CARD Graphics : Single 1.8GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 edit
OPTICAL DRIVE DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD) with Roxio Easy CD and DVD Burn software edit
KEYBOARD Dell™ USB Entry Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY) edit
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio

What you all think? With this one I'm a bit concerned with the Video card.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 9:40pm by Hugus

1200 is a pretty decent price for a good computer but there are some still issues, and it seems you're learning by pointing out the video card already.


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1333Mhz ram will work, but why when you can have 1600?


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HARD DRIVE 1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive edit
500gb is more than enough for a gaming rig.

The problem with these prebuilt computers is they skimp on sh*t you need and throw in extra stuff you don't.

However if you just refuse to build your own or buy a barebones and fix it up on your own, this computer will run much better than the one you initially purchased.


What I'm thinking at the moment is having my current PC returned to Dell and get another one paying the cost difference, as such building my own rig won't really be a possibility.

In regards to the graphic card this is the highest possibility I have on the Studio one. In regards to RAM this is the highest MGz option available, there are other with higher MB but still the same MHz so I don't think they would make a difference. The hard drive is actually the smallest they have on this build so no option but taking that one.

Having in mind the last paragraph, would it be best maybe to go with tha Alienware which for another 300 Euro is more gaming friendly?
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Obviously the computer with the better parts is the better option given that money doesn't seem to be an issue.
If you're willing to fork over the money for alienware, then go for it. Just know that you can build a similar computer without the fancy case for far cheaper.
For the same money it's costing you to buy alienware, you could have a CPU and GPU similar to mine, and buy an Antec case that looks just as cool.
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If you're not into building.

I recently purchased this from Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227274

I got 3600-4000 on low and 2600-3000 on High. Which will run the game on default settings with no issues (or so it says).

This is without Overclocking or any adjustments.
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I'm not the biggest computer expert, but when I built/upgraded my PC, I found these sites to be invaluable:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

Another thing I did was whenever I was considering a part or build, I'd look up the parts on newegg.com and see what the customer ratings were, and I read a few reviews on them as well. You don't need to go that far if you don't want, but it doesn't hurt either.

I personally wouldn't go near an alienware, I've never seen one that wasn't overpriced. I wouldn't buy from dell either, but I have heard some people say they were satisfied with them, but they will probably skimp you by giving you the minimum required PSU and motherboard, making future upgrading harder. It's up to you though. Just be sure to check what the gpu and cpu scores are on those sites I listed before you buy anything, and if you need a point of reference, check those minimum and recommended cards/cpus that were listed. That's the most important part.

That's the best advice I can think of, take it with a grain of salt though. I'm not a PC guru, but I am satisfied with the PC I got following this advice. And if you are at all willing to try building one, it will be better than any prebuilt. I know it seems intimidating, but if you do a little research and follow a guide, it's really not that bad. Either way, good luck with your new PC.
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I appreciate the build your own ideas but since I'm restricted to Dell (If I'm not mistaken they are obligated to acept the return of the original PC within 10 days or so) and buy a new one from them this would, to my best knowledge, restrict my option to the latest 3 builds I presented and I feel like..

Alienware i7 @ 1400 Euro will play it very well
Studio i7 @1200 with play it ok but no amaizing graphics
Studio i5 @1000 will just play on low settings

If what I'm understaanding is correct then I would think better to spend an extra 300 Euro to play on the best available option (from these 3). Is my understanding (see above) correct?
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Based on those three I would go with the Alienware i7 and an nvidia card.

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Alienware was bought out by Dell, so they're one in the same. Don't buy either.

You can buy a PC elsewhere for less than half the price of an Alienware and still run the game smoothly on high.



Edited, Aug 9th 2010 5:19pm by bsphil
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Alienware was bought out by Dell, so they're one in the same. Don't buy either.


OP's requirement is that it comes from Dell. So you have to pick one of the three.
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OP's requirement is that it comes from Dell. So you have to pick one of the three.
Return the Dell and demand your money back in full is the correct answer.

Take that money, buy a better PC for less money, then deposit the difference in the bank and pat yourself on the back.
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Mu current question would be if the 300 Euro extra for the Alienware in comparison with the i7 Studio would be worth it, mainly because of the graphics card...

In regards to the cost I'm actually on a finance deal with Dell so that I'm only paying about 30 Euro a month, I dont really have the money to spent on one go at the moment.

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I was looking around the retail computer sites for a decent PC so I could play FFXIV and like it has been said, stuff like Dell or PC World have PC's that often seem ok but fail on the graphics cards.

Again, it has been said, Alienware are good for gaming but cost much more than you could build one yourself.

I first searched many sites that could build your own custom PC and they'd build it for you. Then I searched about builing my own PC and decided I'd give it a go.

Now I have a decent PC and saved a bit of money.

I would suggest first visiting sites like computerplanet.co.uk or lambda-tek.com to make a PC and chose components and be sure they work together.

Then check out some sites that show you how to build, like pcityourself.com.

Then I bought all the components from Amazon (for me it was just a place I could trust) and built it myself.

This is just my personal suggestion from someone who a month ago was looking to buy a new retail PC and instead now am the proud owner of my own built beast.


edit: Sorry It took me a while to write so I didn't see you options. If you can afford it and want to play FFXIV at its best, may as well go for the Alienware one.

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newegg.com has excellent deals on very solid PCs. I just got a laptop from there, completely satisfied with it.
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If you can get the i7 Studio and a better video card than they offer for less than they charge that would be your best bet. Otherwise go for the Alienware.
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Return the Dell and demand your money back in full is the correct answer.

Take that money, buy a better PC for less money, then deposit the difference in the bank and pat yourself on the back.



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newegg.com has excellent deals on very solid PCs. I just got a laptop from there, completely satisfied with it.


Again, OP stated he would NOT be doing this and we MUST choose between those three.

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you should be able to buy a top tier gpu for less than 300 Euro - my Radeon 5850 cost me 300 Canadian dollars...
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you should be able to buy a top tier gpu for less than 300 Euro - my Radeon 5850 cost me 300 Canadian dollars...
You can make a very solid investment for 175 Euro tops.

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Return the Dell and demand your money back in full is the correct answer.

Take that money, buy a better PC for less money, then deposit the difference in the bank and pat yourself on the back.



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newegg.com has excellent deals on very solid PCs. I just got a laptop from there, completely satisfied with it.


Again, OP stated he would NOT be doing this and we MUST choose between those three.

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 5:26pm by windexy
Sounds like the OP needs to grow a pair.



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Sounds like the OP needs to grow a pair.


Nah, just a better job.

He said he couldn't afford a whole new PC right now but could afford 30$ a month through Dell finance.
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In regards to the cost I'm actually on a finance deal with Dell so that I'm only paying about 30 Euro a month, I dont really have the money to spent on one go at the moment.


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Sounds like the OP needs to grow a pair.


Nah, just a better job.

He said he couldn't afford a whole new PC right now but could afford 30$ a month through Dell finance.
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In regards to the cost I'm actually on a finance deal with Dell so that I'm only paying about 30 Euro a month, I dont really have the money to spent on one go at the moment.


Edited, Aug 9th 2010 5:33pm by windexy
That's 30 Euros, not $30. Newegg offers financing as well, Dell is nothing special. I've got a year to pay my laptop off interest-free.
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I would like to thank everyone who presented their opinions and helped me in this situation, gonna go to bed and talk to Dell tomorrow.

With the exception of the last 3 weeks I've been out of a job since December so money isn't something I have to spare at the moment.. :/

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I'm amazed people are still buying through dell. You could make that pc yourself for like 500 bucks. And if you don't know how to build one, go to a LOCAL computer company and have them make it. Sure they will mark everything up, but it will STILL be quite a bit cheaper AND they will use the good components.

EDIT: I see someone suggest buying Alienware...DO NOT DO THIS. It is a ridiculous waste of money. That's like a company making a $10,000 car, slapping a ferarri badge on it, and jacking up the price to $50,000. Like I said ANYTHING dell, do not buy. Alienware is still Dell.

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I'm amazed people are still buying through dell. You could make that pc yourself for like 500 bucks. And if you don't know how to build one, go to a LOCAL computer company and have them make it. Sure they will mark everything up, but it will STILL be quite a bit cheaper AND they will use the good components.


If you don't know ANYTHING about building a computer, how would you trust a LOCAL computer company that they will use the good components and don't trust big companies like Dell or HP wouldn't give you the same good components?

I found it quite annoying that everytime someone post a build from a named brand, then some people would reply why don't you build the same thing yourself for $XXX lesser. It made that OP sounds like a complete idiot for paying the money. But the thing is that not everyone knows how to build computers (by build, it includes how to find a good deal, understand if all compoents are compatible with others and etc.) and some people may not be even interested in learning how. As for myself, I used to build my own computer before, but now I'd rather pay a little more money and use my time to do something else.
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Just over a week ago I contacted Dell to get an idea about cost for a PC which would enable me to play FFXIV and was advised of the following:

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BaseIntel® Core™ i3 Processor 540 (3.06GHz, 4MB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit - English
ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 1GB DDR3 graphics
4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory
RAM 4GB


Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, for all that is holy, ask the manufacturer for advice about what to buy. You're so naive you make me sad. Without a doubt the manufacturer will give you bad advice. NEVER ASK THEM. Don't even think about it. If you need computer help come here or any other gaming forum. We might make fun of you and belittle you but we'll give you good advice at the very least.

As I'm sure others have already stated (haven't read most of the replies) your graphics card is low grade and while in my ignorance about that specific card I'd expect a higher score I'm not really surprised you got what you got. If you had checked out any of the threads here you'd see the universally accepted cheapest card you should buy to play the game well is an HD 5770. The numbering system for cards is a bit tricky if you never bothered to study up on them. Just because the over all number is higher (5450 vs 3900) doesn't necessarily mean the card is better. True, each series of cards is an improvement on the last (generally) so the 5xxx series is better than the 4xxx series there are still grades of quality within each series. Not all of the 5xxx series cards are going to be better than all of the 4xxx series cards. The true value of the card is in the last three digits. A 5770 is a good card and gets you a decent score on the FFXIV benchmark but it's a lower quality card in that series, if you buy a 4870 you'll get better performance. In your case, a 5450 is a really low quality card so I'm not surprised a really high quality 3xxx series card outperforms it.
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I'm amazed people are still buying through dell. You could make that pc yourself for like 500 bucks. And if you don't know how to build one, go to a LOCAL computer company and have them make it. Sure they will mark everything up, but it will STILL be quite a bit cheaper AND they will use the good components.


If you don't know ANYTHING about building a computer, how would you trust a LOCAL computer company that they will use the good components and don't trust big companies like Dell or HP wouldn't give you the same good components?

I found it quite annoying that everytime someone post a build from a named brand, then some people would reply why don't you build the same thing yourself for $XXX lesser. It made that OP sounds like a complete idiot for paying the money. But the thing is that not everyone knows how to build computers (by build, it includes how to find a good deal, understand if all compoents are compatible with others and etc.) and some people may not be even interested in learning how. As for myself, I used to build my own computer before, but now I'd rather pay a little more money and use my time to do something else.
Dell gets by with higher prices because of its name recognition. You'll buy a more expensive Dell or a vastly more expensive Alienware because you don't know any better, don't know much about computers or who makes them, but still recognize those brand names. It's capitalism at it's finest.

If for some reason you want a better PC at a lower price, you can go elsewhere with the advice given repeatedly on this forum.

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Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, for all that is holy, ask the manufacturer for advice about what to buy. You're so naive you make me sad. Without a doubt the manufacturer will give you bad advice. NEVER ASK THEM. Don't even think about it. If you need computer help come here or any other gaming forum. We might make fun of you and belittle you but we'll give you good advice at the very least.
This comes to mind.



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I use to work for Alienware and while yes they are currently owned by Dell, the people employed are still managed directly from Alienware administrators with no influence on management except marketing and vendoring through Dell.

Granted, they are over priced but they are a great option for people looking for the cutting edge without the know-how. A first time PC builder can make so many possible mistakes. From getting thermal paste under the CPU pins to incorrectly applying it, not attaching the motherboard correctly. Sure, he could build the same PC for around 500$ less but I would not say Alienware is a bad company. Dell may be pretty horrible and their supplies may be very cheap but Alienware has used the same stock since they've been bought out. They provide case dampening and liquid cooling in all their builds, they have a good timely tech support and warranty department.

But, on topic, the i3 is not a good CPU at all. It's a duel core with hyper threading. It's simply borderline. The memory is DDR3 so while it is nice, the fact that it is 1GB per slot is pretty unfortunate as it leaves the chance at simply upgrading the amount value-less.

The ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 is quite frankly a horrible, low-budget card that retails for around $30-40 USD. It would not perform well despite the decent amount of ram in it.

The build is not good at all. The best bet would be to tell us your budget, or email me directly with your budget and I can do my best to customize you a build fitting that exact budget. FFXIV is cutting edge and that build would barely let you run low resolutions. XIV is very CPU reliant in low specs, and a duel core would get very congested quickly in low populated areas.
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I use to work for Alienware and while yes they are currently owned by Dell, the people employed are still managed directly from Alienware administrators with no influence on management except marketing and vendoring through Dell.
Alienware has always been bad, though. Being bought by Dell doesn't do them customers any favors, either.

Actually it helps the company quite a bit.

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That's 30 Euros, not $30. Newegg offers financing as well, Dell is nothing special. I've got a year to pay my laptop off interest-free.


Whatever, $ or euro, you get the point.

He has already worked with dell, has financing through dell, and says hes going with dell. Try posting something useful to the OP maybe?

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I would look for these key things as a minimum:

Processor:
Intel: Core i5
AMD: One of the X4 (4-core), or X6 (6-core).

Graphics card:
Nvidia: GTX 460
Ati: Radeon 5770

For RAM I would get 4GB, more than that is overkill for games.

Other stuff is not that important.
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Try posting something useful to the OP maybe?
I did. I told him to get the **** out of their company with his money and invest it elsewhere. That's the advice. So what if it doesn't fit in with exactly what he originally wanted? Him going it alone is what caused his disappointment the last time around. Why advise he keep making the same mistakes?
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#50 Aug 09 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Alienware has always been bad, though. Being bought by Dell doesn't do them customers any favors, either.

Actually it helps the company quite a bit.


The customer base is strong and most of the criticism comes from people who 'know' about PCs already and don't find the services useful. Infact most of our customers use to be women gamers. And AW has always held a BBB score of B and above, which is pretty significant in modern day business. So, I don't think it's fair to label a company bad because of pricing. The equipment and options they use has always been top of the line, as well as customer feedback.
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Alienware i7 @ 1400 Euro will play it very well
Studio i7 @1200 with play it ok but no amaizing graphics
Studio i5 @1000 will just play on low settings


An i5 with the right video card will run it in 1080 on medium settings. They're pretty **** good processors. The key here is having a good processor with a $170-$230 video card ( 5770, gtx 460 , gtx 460 1gb ). Any of those processors will be great for ffxiv as well as upcoming games in the next few years. So you always have the option of buying a prebuilt and throwing in a video card afterwards, which is really easy (think putting the square block in the square hole). If you're ok with playing in 720 for the life of the game you could buy a better video card and replace the one in the i3 that you already have.

Good luck, I think you'll figure something out. I'm really sorry you ended up in this spot in the first place, we're just tryin to help you buy something that will last a few years instead of being boarderline obsolete out the box.


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