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#102 Aug 10 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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It is very clear you haven't any experience buying Dells.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any experience buying Dells...

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and I am wrong.

lol

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It is very clear you haven't any experience buying Dells.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any experience buying Dells...

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and I am wrong.

lol

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 1:32pm by Olorinus


Two Dell laptops as mentioned, and I have been involved with Dell servers and business workstations as well. As I said, their servers are great. Their desktops and laptops are horrible.
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#104sohma, Posted: Aug 10 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Mik,
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Their high-end consumer support (XPS, Alienware) have amazing warranties, especially with Complete-Care on laptops. You get what you pay for...lol
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sohma wrote:
It is very clear you haven't any experience buying Dells.
My family has bought 5 computers from Dell over the years and I agree with what Mikhalia is saying.

sohma wrote:
Their high-end consumer support (XPS, Alienware) have amazing warranties, especially with Complete-Care on laptops. You get what you pay for...lol
Yeah, might as well spend a few hundred bucks more if you're already overpaying by several hundred to begin with.

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#108windexy, Posted: Aug 10 2010 at 3:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And i've bought thousands over the last 10 years. Were there problems here or there, yes. Would you have the same experience with other vendors. Yes.
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My family has bought 5 computers from Dell over the years and I agree with what Mikhalia is saying.
And i've bought thousands over the last 10 years.
Ahh, the stalwart defense of Dell is starting to add up. :P
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Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz 8 MB
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This one is the best of the four. What power supply is in this? You should have at least a 750W.


As mentioned before this has a 875W PSU which from what I understand should be enough to handle the strain on it.

As a side note for those "bashing" Dell, I haven´t had the best experience with them but as per the national customer rights law (Ireland) they will accept returns within 7 working days at no charge with the exception of up to 20 Euro for delivey costs unless it was their error or damaged product which will then be completly free.
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#113 Aug 10 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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It is very clear that you have it in for Dell, and that your opinions are extremely biased. The fact that you kept stating that you don't know what you are getting (refer to your own power supply references, and then look up what is ACTUALLY in the computer), making Dell seem like an unreliable company that sells you a mystery computer (if a third party can state that Mik is not, than I apologize for drawing conclusions).

It is FINE to propose said machines that you configured from CYBERPOWER and iBUYPOWER as it gives the OP some perspective. But, judging from the currency that the OP uses, CYBERPOWER and iBUYPOWER might not ship to where the OP is.

I've said this once and I'll say it again, there are many more variables than price and quality that goes into making a purchase, many of which you are overlooking because you're raging about Dell.

I am also not a Dell fanboy. As I have stated, I do build my own computers (as well as for others, as well as to sell). I simply feel that it is unfair for someone to push their ridiculous mentalities onto others without a balance from the other side.


So, to sum up:

1) I'm not the only one point out why Dell is bad. I'll be awaiting that apology as promised. You call my opinions biased, when they are rooted in facts and statistics based on prices. Where are your statistics? Where are your facts? All you have is marketing, opinion, and fanboyishly adamant defense of a company that sells an inferior product at an inflated price and has already reccommended and sold a computer that will not meet the OP's needs, and now -HE- has to pay to ship it back. I don't "have it in" for Dell, I'm just trying to make sure that people who spend their money get what they pay for, rather than paying more and getting less.

2) Yes, there are other variables besides price and quality but those are the most important ones. I already covered the fact that other companies will provide a better machine for the same price, prebuilt, so you can't use the argument of concenience anymore. Fact: Dell does not offer anything that cannot be obtained elsewhere with the same (or better) warranty, the same (or better) service, BETTER parts, and a LOWER price. This is a fact and I have proven it repeatedly. You are ignoring facts because your blind defense of them will not let you accept facts which are inconvenient to you.

I have listed a number of machines as examples of this, so here is my challenge to you: Why don't you counter my facts and numbers by giving me some facts and numbers that prove, via SEVERAL examples and reasons (since I have provided SEVERAL examples and reasons myself already) that the alternatives I have offered are worse.
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#114 Aug 10 2010 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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4 - 1448

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RAM 6000 MB 1333 MHz Tri Channel
1 GB ATI Radeon HD 5870

This one is the best of the four. What power supply is in this? You should have at least a 750W.


As mentioned before this has a 875W PSU which from what I understand should be enough to handle the strain on it.

As a side note for those "bashing" Dell, I haven´t had the best experience with them but as per the national customer rights law (Ireland) they will accept returns within 7 working days at no charge with the exception of up to 20 Euro for delivey costs unless it was their error or damaged product which will then be completly free.


So you have to pay shipping to send back a product when they sold you a product that will not meet your needs? And people are actually defending this?

@Sohma: I'm throwing a second challenge at you. I want you to tell me why Hugus should HAVE to pay 20 euros to Dell to ship back a computer when THEY sold HIM a computer that WILL NOT do what they told him it would do, based on THEIR recommendation of which computer he needs.

Again, he said "I want a computer that does X", they sold him a computer that DOES NOT do X, and -HE- is responsible for paying shipping to get them to take it back. I want you to explain to me why he should HAVE to pay shipping, and why this PROVES that Dell is a reputable, trustworthy company worthy of his or anyone else's business.

As for that system, an 875W PSU should be ample. I've said a hundred times that you're paying way more than the system is worth, and I'm befuddled as to why you would be a repeat customer of a company that has already screwed you once and expects you to eat the return shipping fee, but yeah, that system would work.
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#115 Aug 10 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Their high-end consumer support (XPS, Alienware) have amazing warranties, especially with Complete-Care on laptops. You get what you pay for...lol
Yeah, might as well spend a few hundred bucks more if you're already overpaying by several hundred to begin with.

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 4:01pm by bsphil


Indeed. They're already overcharging you for a subpar product. Make sure you pay -extra- for a better warranty for when the thing breaks.

I can't believe someone is actually using the fact that Dell will happily charge you MORE money for extra protection on their overpriced inferior system (so that when it DOES break, it costs you less money to get it fixed; you know, as opposed to not breaking in the first place?) and using this as a reason that this is a reputable, trustworthy company.
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Their high-end consumer support (XPS, Alienware) have amazing warranties, especially with Complete-Care on laptops. You get what you pay for...lol
Yeah, might as well spend a few hundred bucks more if you're already overpaying by several hundred to begin with.

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 4:01pm by bsphil


Indeed. They're already overcharging you for a subpar product. Make sure you pay -extra- for a better warranty for when the thing breaks.

I can't believe someone is actually using the fact that Dell will happily charge you MORE money for extra protection on their overpriced inferior system (so that when it DOES break, it costs you less money to get it fixed; you know, as opposed to not breaking in the first place?) and using this as a reason that this is a reputable, trustworthy company.
A fool and his money...
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#117 Aug 10 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
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bsphil wrote:
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Their high-end consumer support (XPS, Alienware) have amazing warranties, especially with Complete-Care on laptops. You get what you pay for...lol
Yeah, might as well spend a few hundred bucks more if you're already overpaying by several hundred to begin with.

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 4:01pm by bsphil


Indeed. They're already overcharging you for a subpar product. Make sure you pay -extra- for a better warranty for when the thing breaks.

I can't believe someone is actually using the fact that Dell will happily charge you MORE money for extra protection on their overpriced inferior system (so that when it DOES break, it costs you less money to get it fixed; you know, as opposed to not breaking in the first place?) and using this as a reason that this is a reputable, trustworthy company.
A fool and his money...


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Yeah, this thread has devolved into a giant circle jerk of +1's ignoring the OP's question and requirements. If it were my thread I'd have asked for it to be locked long ago.

And i've bought thousands over the last 10 years. Were there problems here or there, yes. Would you have the same experience with other vendors. Yes.



I haven't seen Mikhalia ignore the poster at all. She's offered a number of Dell and other options and simply stated her opinion that Dell will knowingly sell you crap. She's right and the OP already knows it because a rep "helped" with the first system.

If you've bought that many Dells in the last 10 years I assume that you're purchasing for a corporation? Sounds typical, the guy ordering junk is never the guy that has to repair or return it so how would he know the failure rate.

A lawsuit was just filed in June over 11.8 million faulty computers dell sold to it's largest customers between 2003 and 2005. A few choice quotes from the New York Times article:

"Internal documents show that Dell shipped at least 11.8 million computers from May 2003 to July 2005 that were at risk of failing because of the faulty components. These were Dell’s OptiPlex desktop computers — the company’s mainstream products sold to business and government customers."

"A study by Dell found that OptiPlex computers affected by the bad capacitors were expected to cause problems up to 97 percent of the time over a three-year period, according to the lawsuit"

So, stop playing Dell fanboy and go read the article, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/technology/29dell.html. The tactics they used to try to get out of paying up were hilarious, up selling, inventing reasons for failures (they told a university the failures were due to them making the computers do math problems), replacing roasted motherboards with another faulty motherboard, etc..

Btw, I've used Dells for 10 years where I work also and they fail over and over due to hard drives, power supplies, and mother boards. This is not the experience you should have from other vendors.

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I have owned 3 Dells, never again.

This. Multiple part failures and completely horrible customer service. They sent me three refurbished video cards in a row, none of which even worked out of the case, and refused to send me any more. I had to go buy a new card for $80, and naturally it worked immediately. If they even have quality standards, they've got to be extremely low.
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Actually, our company contracted Dell for a long time...50,000+ work stations that were all ****.

We're now contracting with HP, which is a mistake IMO, but we're eventually going to cloud computing and everyone (except us devs) will have dummy terminals Smiley: grin
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I got the same computer too for my dad... to watch youtube and HD streams o.O
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I didn't read the entire thread, but if you can't build your own and have to buy your PC from Dell, get the XPS 7100: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxdwds4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=studio-xps-7100

Right now it is less than $1300, comes with the AMD Phenom X6 1055T 2.8Ghz processor (six cores), Radeon HD 5870 (a good card), 8GB DDR3 RAM (albeit 1333Mhz), 1 TB HDD, a Blu-ray drive w/ DVD/CD Burner, and a Wireless-N card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h096vgriJTQ

For about the same amount of money, I'm building my own PC with an AMD Phenom X6 1090T 3.2Ghz processor, Geforce GTX 480, 4GB DDR3 RAM 1600Mhz, 1TB HDD, and a Blu-ray/DVD/CD Burner drive. All with the piece of mind that I can easily upgrade it and the parts aren't junk. I got a SLI-ready motherboard so when the price of the GTX 480 goes down I'll grab another one.
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Dell XPS 7100 [...] Radeon HD 5870


Source:
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2010/05/12/studio-xps-7100-amd-6-core-processors-in-a-dell-desktop.aspx

"Case in point, a 460-watt power supply comes standard. That's enough to power a robust set of graphics card options (AMD's ATI Radeon 5450, 5670 and 5870 cards), up to 16GB of 1333MHz DDR3 memory and up to two 3.5" hard drive bays for a maximum internal storage capacity of 3TB. Add it all up, and you've got a pretty capable quad- or 6-core machine with a great price/performance ratio."

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ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 System Requirements
* 500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)

So yeah.

I know you said you haven't read the thread, but the tl;dr of the last 40 or 50 posts is me explaining that Dell includes ****** power supplies (among other things) that are not sufficient to power the systems they ship them with, leading to a high probability of catastrophic system failure in "high end" Dell systems.

I'll just chalk this up as -another- example of Dell not knowing what they are doing.

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 11:39pm by Mikhalia
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The whole thing is tl;dr so people have probably said this already, if so, I apologize for the duplicate advice.

Building your own system truly is not as hard as you think. Trust me, I am the type of guy that just says ***** that any time I think of DIY projects.

I'm 29 years old and I just built my PC for the first time. Man, it really was a cinch. The way they have cases and parts made these days, it is extremely user friendly. They have "tooless cases" nowadays, where you might have to ***** in the motherboard, and that is it. 6 screws. The processor is as simple as drop it in the slot and close the door. The ram and the graphics card is as simple as pushing it into a slot. The DVD burner, hard drive, and power supply fit perfectly in predefined slots. Other than that, it's connecting wires and cables, and many of them are missing a pin or have pins of different shapes so you are forced to put it on the right way. The motherboard manual also tells you exactly where to place cables and how they should line up.

That being said, building your own PC is really the way to go. You become familiar with all of the components going in and can easily upgrade them in the future as needed. Don't be intimidated. Here is a good resource.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-guide-building

Here is a forum that will help you choose components:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31-322.html

Companies like Dell and HP are selling simplicity instead of performance. They use low cost parts to make a profit. They load up your computer with tons of extra programs you don't need that take up space and slow your system down. Looking at the system they sold you, your graphics card is severely underpowered (the second number "4" is actually the number that should be high, so for example a 4850 beats a 5450), your processor is decent at best, and your power supply is likely under par. My advice to you would be to build your own, or if you just can't do it, find someone that can.

Edit: I read that you posted 4 options, and option 4 is honestly the best, I wouldn't even consider the other 3. If you can send it back though, strongly consider building your own.

That being said, I bought the following for ~$1600 (1250 Euro) recently and built it myself without having any prior experience.

i7 930 2.8 GHz
6 GB Ram
XFX Radeon 5870
750W XFX PSU
80GB Solid State Drive (This is like a regular Hard Drive, but way faster, and costs about $150 more than a regular 1TB HD)
DVD Burner
Gigabyte Motherboard
Windows 7

(I also bought a 23" HD monitor, laser mouse, keyboard, speakers, and wireless USB for an extra $300)

I got a 4870 on HIGH on the benchmark.

Please consider building your own.

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Processor Intel 3ghz
Ram 4 gigs(but pc only recognizes 3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
OS Windows XP 32bit

Benchmark score 1025

seemed to run just fine

And your specs blow mine out the water

Windows 7 is demanding, you need 1.5 gig of ram just to run the OS
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Processor Intel 3ghz
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Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
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Benchmark score 1025

seemed to run just fine

And your specs blow mine out the water

Windows 7 is demanding, you need 1.5 gig of ram just to run the OS


Under 1500 = Will not run FFXIV.

You're going to need an upgrade.
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The whole thing is tl;dr so people have probably said this already, if so, I apologize for the duplicate advice.

Building your own system truly is not as hard as you think. Trust me, I am the type of guy that just says ***** that any time I think of DIY projects.



One important thing to remember when dealing with a MB that uses an LGA socket. Be very, very, VERY careful when putting the CPU in. Even accidentally brushing it with your finger or dropping a ***** on it with the protective cover off will bend the pins and ruin it.

I can't stress this enough. Treat it as through the slightest contact will destroy it, because it will. And then you will need to buy a new MB. (they moved the pins to the socket because a destroyed MB is cheaper to replace than a destroyed CPU)

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@Sohma: I'm throwing a second challenge at you. I want you to tell me why Hugus should HAVE to pay 20 euros to Dell to ship back a computer when THEY sold HIM a computer that WILL NOT do what they told him it would do, based on THEIR recommendation of which computer he needs.


Just to be clear, I will not be paying the value of up to 20 Euro as the computer I was advised to buy does not meet the requirements I advised the sales agent.
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@Sohma: I'm throwing a second challenge at you. I want you to tell me why Hugus should HAVE to pay 20 euros to Dell to ship back a computer when THEY sold HIM a computer that WILL NOT do what they told him it would do, based on THEIR recommendation of which computer he needs.


Just to be clear, I will not be paying the value of up to 20 Euro as the computer I was advised to buy does not meet the requirements I advised the sales agent.


That's good at least. +1 for Dell.

As I said, if you still feel you must stick with Dell, go with the last one you linked:

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Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz 8 MB
RAM 6000 MB 1333 MHz Tri Channel
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875W PSU
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Again, I still feel obligated to comment that you could get a better deal elsewhere, but if I totally ignore the unreasonable price and only consider the specs here, this system should run XIV pretty well. See how much it would cost you to upgrade the 920 to a 930 or a 960 if you want. 6 GB or 1333 RAM is fine. 1 GB 5870 is great. 875W PSU should be enough to keep the thing running. I worry about the 24V amperage but I guess I'll have to hope for the best on that one.
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Hopefully my last question...

In practice, what is the difference between a Dual Radeon 5770 and a single 5970 for example?
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Basically, the ability to run the game on the highest settings as opposed to low-medium settings.
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So even if I have dual 5770 I can't get the best quality (run it on low) but if I have a single 5870 I will then be able to?



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Statu101 wrote:
Processor Intel 3ghz
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OS Windows XP 32bit

Benchmark score 1025

seemed to run just fine

And your specs blow mine out the water

Windows 7 is demanding, you need 1.5 gig of ram just to run the OS


Your specs are very close to my old build. From the info you gave I can't really tell what processor you're running, but if your 8800 GT is the 512MB version, it handles the benchmark on low settings pretty well.

My old Rig:

Core 2 Duo e8500
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4 gigs ram
Windows 7 64bit

Scored a 2899 on the benchmark @ 720p. If your motherboard and PS support it, you may only need a processor upgrade to be able to play the game comfortably on low settings. Might be worth looking into instead of building an entirely new rig.
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Oenos wrote:
The whole thing is tl;dr so people have probably said this already, if so, I apologize for the duplicate advice.

Building your own system truly is not as hard as you think. Trust me, I am the type of guy that just says ***** that any time I think of DIY projects.



One important thing to remember when dealing with a MB that uses an LGA socket. Be very, very, VERY careful when putting the CPU in. Even accidentally brushing it with your finger or dropping a ***** on it with the protective cover off will bend the pins and ruin it.

I can't stress this enough. Treat it as through the slightest contact will destroy it, because it will. And then you will need to buy a new MB. (they moved the pins to the socket because a destroyed MB is cheaper to replace than a destroyed CPU)

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 3:05am by Lobivopis


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#135 Aug 11 2010 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Reading through this thread..one thing keeps getting brought up. That the dell rep clearly went out of his way to sell the OP a pc that wouldn't run FFXIV. Yet the OP even said in his original post

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Comparing with the system requirements in the official web site I though I would be able to play no problem...my new PC arrived today and I went and got the benchmar and ran it. To my dismay I'm getting around 700 or lower which to me doesn't make any sense.


So unless the dell rep he spoke to knows about FFXIV or is a avid pc gamer and knows about how undershot the minimum specs are for games in general the rep probably just googled it and found the minimum specs and built him a computer that ON PAPER will run the game.






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#136 Aug 11 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Mik I do have a question. If the power supplies are far too low. Why don't they allow upgrades? I mean, I already know Dell is terrible, but this is just another reason why Dell is not a good choice.

I guess you could BUY a better power supply, but you'd have to take that into costs too then.


Dell automaticaly upgrades your powersupply when your buying a computer from them that you've upgraded. I know this because I was going to buy one from then can called them about it as no where on their site did it state upgrading the power supply.
I eventually decided not to go through them and went through another site and saved a good bit of money on a much better computer.
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Dual 5770's will actually be close to or exceed one 5870, I'm not sure of the exact performance difference. The advantage of using one card is, you can A) Upgrade in the future by just buying another one and B) Run cooler using only one card.
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This might of been addressed already but I just skipped to the end to throw in my two cents because I had a similar issue. My comp wasn't good at all when I ran the benchmark the first time. Now, granted it is about 3 years old with zero upgrades until recently.

Heres what I had in it before the upgrade...
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 (which is about the same if not worse than your current processor)
3GB DDR2 RAM
NVidia GeForce 8600 GTS
Windows Vista 32 bit

Now with all of this I didn't expect to get a good score; in fact I only scored around 600 with this lol.
However, I did some digging on the forums and read that most benchmark issues and just all around gaming issues are relaed to the video card (which mine was clearly out of date and I needed a good upgrade)

The Fix: Thus, I looked online for a new video card and came across the NVidia GeForce 465 GTX and it looked like it would do the trick for me. Bought one online for $200, got it in the mail a few days later, installed it and drivers, ran the benchmark again, and viola got a score of 3500. Granted this score isn't amazing but it will run the game on default settings no problem

To sum everything up... youre problem probably lies in the video card as that was all I did to my rig for a upgrade and improved my score from 600 to 3500 easily.

Hope this helps!
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#139 Aug 11 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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If you're building a rig for the game I would seriously wait till it comes out.

Only if you're on a budget though. Let it comes out and have a few people post
how it runs . . . once we have an idea of how it will run then we can come up with
a low end budget system
then have a mid tier system for those with a lil xtra cash to burn
and a high end config.


I think the benchmark is just a guide line and not an actual indicator of how the
game will actually run.

Considering its running on alpha coding more than likely and
not the optimized beta code.

Also drivers still need to be optimized for the game, which we all know has not been done.
If you must have a system before release wait till about a week or so before and
then build ur system. By then with NDA becoming less strict and more info will be
available all of us will know what will and won't work.

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So it appears that for me to get finance for the second PC I first need to get the first finance complatelly canceled which gives me a few days to look into the option of customising a PC on another site as you guys advised.

What you think of the build below?

Case
STYLISH PIANO BLACK FUSION CASE inc. 2 FRONT USB
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5850 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
500GB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Memory Card Reader
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
800W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£89)
Processor Cooling
INTEL SOCKET LGA1366 STANDARD CPU COOLER
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL (MIN 2 FRONT PORTS) AS STANDARD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
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Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache <--- Good
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI <--- Good
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB) <--- Good
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5850 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11 <--- Great
800W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£89) <--- Great

Overall, this build should be fine.

I was a bit late to the party; the big step from the 5700 series to the 5800 series is that 5700s are 128-bit and 5800s are 256 bit.

This should run the game on moderately high settings at low res, and on medium settings at high res.
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Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache <--- Good
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI <--- Good
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB) <--- Good


I can upgrade the folowing:

Processor to a i7 960 3.2Ghz for another 200 Euro
Motherboard to P6X58D Premium DDR3, USB 3.0 & SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI for another 80 Euro
Memory to 6GB SAMSUNG DDR3 TRI-DDR3 1333MHz (3 X 2GB) for 35 Euro
Memory to 6GB Corsair XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB) for 40 Euro

Do you think these would be worth the cost? Does the 1600MHz instead of 1333MHz make much difference?

Please pay extra atention to Motherboard as I really have no idea what to look for, also from previous advice I feel the PSU is good enough but no idea on the Processor cooler...
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Hugus wrote:
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Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache <--- Good
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI <--- Good
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB) <--- Good


I can upgrade the folowing:

Processor to a i7 960 3.2Ghz for another 200 Euro
Motherboard to P6X58D Premium DDR3, USB 3.0 & SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI for another 80 Euro
Memory to 6GB SAMSUNG DDR3 TRI-DDR3 1333MHz (3 X 2GB) for 35 Euro
Memory to 6GB Corsair XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB) for 40 Euro

Do you think these would be worth the cost? Does the 1600MHz instead of 1333MHz make much difference?

Please pay extra atention to Motherboard as I really have no idea what to look for, also from previous advice I feel the PSU is good enough but no idea on the Processor cooler...


Motherboard doesn't really need an upgrade. Actually, I looked it up and it's even better than I thought it was o.o
Processor, if you can afford it, the 960 is worth it. The 980X is the top of the line but you'll pay through the nose for it.
The 6 GB Corsair RAM at 1600 is a good investment too, again if you can afford it.
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So I finally went and looked up a web site in which although I do not build it myself I get to choose all the parts on the PC. The first choice in from PCspecialis.co.uk and the second is the original from Dell.ie.

There are slight differences in the builds and a neglegible difference in price, what you think?

1446 Euro (STYLISH PIANO BLACK FUSION CASE )

Processor
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5870 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11

1448 Euro (Alienware Aurora)
Processor
Intel? Core? i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz, 8MB cache, 4.8GT/sec)
Memory (RAM)
6GB 1333MHz (3x2GB) Tri Channel Memory
Graphics Card
1GB ATI® Radeon™ HD 5870 graphics card
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Hugus wrote:
So I finally went and looked up a web site in which although I do not build it myself I get to choose all the parts on the PC. The first choice in from PCspecialis.co.uk and the second is the original from Dell.ie.

There are slight differences in the builds and a neglegible difference in price, what you think?

1446 Euro (STYLISH PIANO BLACK FUSION CASE )

Processor
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5870 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11

1448 Euro (Alienware Aurora)
Processor
Intel? Core? i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz, 8MB cache, 4.8GT/sec)
Memory (RAM)
6GB 1333MHz (3x2GB) Tri Channel Memory
Graphics Card
1GB ATI® Radeon™ HD 5870 graphics card


I would take a look at the software package provided by either companies, as well as check read reviews about the reliability of PCspecialis.co.uk in terms of living up to their warranties and what not.
The i7-930 vs the i7-920 has a value of about $10-20 in the US, with a performance difference of 134MHZ.

It is great that people are being skeptical about Dell (I'll get to you guys later if I have time), as it gives you a great vantage point to grill Dell about any questions and concerns you may have. If you haven't done so already, I bet you can even mention this other PC to Dell, argue the price and reasons why you will choose that over Dell, and they will probably give you some sort of discount. Dell also frequently have sales / coupons for their high end machines (in the US, I frequently see a %15 coupon), so if you're not in a rush, I'd recommend waiting (unless Dell is willing to offer you such discounts straight up).

#146 Aug 11 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Mik,

It is very clear that you have it in for Dell, and that your opinions are extremely biased. The fact that you kept stating that you don't know what you are getting (refer to your own power supply references, and then look up what is ACTUALLY in the computer), making Dell seem like an unreliable company that sells you a mystery computer (if a third party can state that Mik is not, than I apologize for drawing conclusions).


So, to sum up:

1) I'm not the only one point out why Dell is bad. I'll be awaiting that apology as promised. You call my opinions biased, when they are rooted in facts and statistics based on prices. Where are your statistics? Where are your facts? All you have is marketing, opinion, and fanboyishly adamant defense of a company that sells an inferior product at an inflated price and has already reccommended and sold a computer that will not meet the OP's needs, and now -HE- has to pay to ship it back. I don't "have it in" for Dell, I'm just trying to make sure that people who spend their money get what they pay for, rather than paying more and getting less.

2) Yes, there are other variables besides price and quality but those are the most important ones. I already covered the fact that other companies will provide a better machine for the same price, prebuilt, so you can't use the argument of concenience anymore. Fact: Dell does not offer anything that cannot be obtained elsewhere with the same (or better) warranty, the same (or better) service, BETTER parts, and a LOWER price. This is a fact and I have proven it repeatedly. You are ignoring facts because your blind defense of them will not let you accept facts which are inconvenient to you.

I have listed a number of machines as examples of this, so here is my challenge to you: Why don't you counter my facts and numbers by giving me some facts and numbers that prove, via SEVERAL examples and reasons (since I have provided SEVERAL examples and reasons myself already) that the alternatives I have offered are worse.


You misunderstood that what I am pointing out is not whether or not others dislike Dell. I too have had my own difficulties with Dell, and would personally never purchase a Dell desktop. This is because I am tech-savvy enough to handle my own technical problems, and is a waste of my resources conveying a problem over the phone instead of fixing it myself. (Laptops are a different story...)

My original post was stating how you are skewing the reputation of Dell by ambiguously stating that a user will not know what will come with a machine that they are buying; when in fact, I am stating that you can inquire from Dell, or do some research to get a more concrete list. If no one else is getting the impression that Mik is being intentionally misleading (once again, referring to the power supply posts - where a simple google search was able to defog the mystery behind the potentially underpowered PSU), and I do apologize Mik.

No, I never said I never accepted the other options - in fact, I encourage it as to provide OP more buying options. In the end, we're trying to help OP. No where can you find me implying, or even suggesting that Dell is the only way to go ~ only that it is a possibility.

Why am I not countering you with facts and numbers? Because I am not arguing PRICE, and the variables that I am proposing hold different values to everyone, and mostly pertains to the fact that everyone is suggesting to the OP to do some personal handiwork. As I reiterate, someone might value their TIME and EFFORT more than money.

Athan10: Thank you for that interesting read ~ It is rather horrible of Dell for them to do that. My experience has been quite different, but a we all know, everyone has different experiences (I am actually working on Dells as we speak), and they have been great with me in terms of warranties.

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Indeed. They're already overcharging you for a subpar product. Make sure you pay -extra- for a better warranty for when the thing breaks.

I can't believe someone is actually using the fact that Dell will happily charge you MORE money for extra protection on their overpriced inferior system (so that when it DOES break, it costs you less money to get it fixed; you know, as opposed to not breaking in the first place?) and using this as a reason that this is a reputable, trustworthy company."

I don't know about you, but when I was a college student, I was actively moving, and working on the go. I purchased my laptop with a warranty that covered the entire four years. If it fell, Dell fixed/replaced it. If I accidentally poured coffee all over, Dell replaced it. In all of the 4 years, my laptop never had non-accidental downtime. Without such assurances, I would not have made it as a computer science student.
If you can link me a standard consumer laptop that can withstand drops and water, please let me know (I know there are tanks out there that are waterproof and have high shock resistance, lol, but not very practical for school).

Anyways, its 5 and you know what that means...


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Get the first choice. Just make sure the PSU is quality. Go with Corsair or XFX black edition if you can. If you get a cheap PSU and it dies, you run the risk of blowing your whole rig. I would steer clear of the alienware one.

I wouldn't get the 960 or 980 unless you really have money lying around.

If you do have the extra money lying around, buy an extra 5870.

If you can buy an aftermarket CPU cooler, like the CoolerMaster Hyper 212. Stock CPU coolers aren't very effective.

Make sure the case it comes with has plenty of fans and plenty of space to fit your cards.

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Fair enough. Your posts up to this point implied to me that you were rather adamant that the OP should go with Dell and Dell only, mostly based on the fact that you dismissed other companies that would build systems and even other retailers like HP, Sony, emachines.... It should come as no surprise that I'm not a giant fan of prefabs, but you were mentioning "Dell does this" and "Dell does that" enough that that was what I got from your posts. I reciprocate your apology if I misunderstood.
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So I finally went and looked up a web site in which although I do not build it myself I get to choose all the parts on the PC. The first choice in from PCspecialis.co.uk and the second is the original from Dell.ie.

There are slight differences in the builds and a neglegible difference in price, what you think?

1446 Euro (STYLISH PIANO BLACK FUSION CASE )

Processor
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5870 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11

1448 Euro (Alienware Aurora)
Processor
Intel? Core? i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz, 8MB cache, 4.8GT/sec)
Memory (RAM)
6GB 1333MHz (3x2GB) Tri Channel Memory
Graphics Card
1GB ATI® Radeon™ HD 5870 graphics card


Go with the first one. It's cheaper, has a better processor, and has better RAM.
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