It is very clear that you have it in for Dell, and that your opinions are extremely biased. The fact that you kept stating that you don't know what you are getting (refer to your own power supply references, and then look up what is ACTUALLY in the computer), making Dell seem like an unreliable company that sells you a mystery computer (if a third party can state that Mik is not, than I apologize for drawing conclusions).
So, to sum up:
1) I'm not the only one point out why Dell is bad. I'll be awaiting that apology as promised. You call my opinions biased, when they are rooted in facts and statistics based on prices. Where are your statistics? Where are your facts? All you have is marketing, opinion, and fanboyishly adamant defense of a company that sells an inferior product at an inflated price and has already reccommended and sold a computer that will not meet the OP's needs, and now -HE- has to pay to ship it back. I don't "have it in" for Dell, I'm just trying to make sure that people who spend their money get what they pay for, rather than paying more and getting less.
2) Yes, there are other variables besides price and quality but those are the most important ones. I already covered the fact that other companies will provide a better machine for the same price, prebuilt, so you can't use the argument of concenience anymore. Fact: Dell does not offer anything that cannot be obtained elsewhere with the same (or better) warranty, the same (or better) service, BETTER parts, and a LOWER price. This is a fact and I have proven it repeatedly. You are ignoring facts because your blind defense of them will not let you accept facts which are inconvenient to you.
I have listed a number of machines as examples of this, so here is my challenge to you: Why don't you counter my facts and numbers by giving me some facts and numbers that prove, via SEVERAL examples and reasons (since I have provided SEVERAL examples and reasons myself already) that the alternatives I have offered are worse.
You misunderstood that what I am pointing out is not whether or not others dislike Dell. I too have had my own difficulties with Dell, and would personally never purchase a Dell desktop. This is because I am tech-savvy enough to handle my own technical problems, and is a waste of my resources conveying a problem over the phone instead of fixing it myself. (Laptops are a different story...)
My original post was stating how you are skewing the reputation of Dell by ambiguously stating that a user will not know what will come with a machine that they are buying; when in fact, I am stating that you can inquire from Dell, or do some research to get a more concrete list. If no one else is getting the impression that Mik is being intentionally misleading (once again, referring to the power supply posts - where a simple google search was able to defog the mystery behind the potentially underpowered PSU), and I do apologize Mik.
No, I never said I never accepted the other options - in fact, I encourage it as to provide OP more buying options. In the end, we're trying to help OP. No where can you find me implying, or even suggesting that Dell is the only way to go ~ only that it is a possibility.
Why am I not countering you with facts and numbers? Because I am not arguing PRICE, and the variables that I am proposing hold different values to everyone, and mostly pertains to the fact that everyone is suggesting to the OP to do some personal handiwork. As I reiterate, someone might value their TIME and EFFORT more than money.
Athan10: Thank you for that interesting read ~ It is rather horrible of Dell for them to do that. My experience has been quite different, but a we all know, everyone has different experiences (I am actually working on Dells as we speak), and they have been great with me in terms of warranties.
Indeed. They're already overcharging you for a subpar product. Make sure you pay -extra- for a better warranty for when the thing breaks.
I can't believe someone is actually using the fact that Dell will happily charge you MORE money for extra protection on their overpriced inferior system (so that when it DOES break, it costs you less money to get it fixed; you know, as opposed to not breaking in the first place?) and using this as a reason that this is a reputable, trustworthy company."
I don't know about you, but when I was a college student, I was actively moving, and working on the go. I purchased my laptop with a warranty that covered the entire four years. If it fell, Dell fixed/replaced it. If I accidentally poured coffee all over, Dell replaced it. In all of the 4 years, my laptop never had non-accidental downtime. Without such assurances, I would not have made it as a computer science student.
If you can link me a standard consumer laptop that can withstand drops and water, please let me know (I know there are tanks out there that are waterproof and have high shock resistance, lol, but not very practical for school).
Anyways, its 5 and you know what that means... Edited, Aug 11th 2010 4:58pm by sohma