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#152 Aug 11 2010 at 7:54 PM Rating: Default
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I don't have any reason to want to buy from Dell.. But as I'm looking at the mid-to-high end PC options, what you can buy for $800 to $1,300, I think I'd be happiest with an XPS 9000. SE is forcing me to play on a PC before I want to, so I don't have time to save up for a 980X and SLI 480s and build that myself. I'll be working with the lesser i7's and 5770 or 5870 territory no matter what, right now..

To be blunt, the cases I'm seeing at ibuypower look like they're trying to appeal to a 12 year old who drinks ten mountain dews a day and uses l33t speak all the time. Yeah, aesthetics do matter to me when the performance differences are pretty much a wash. I really don't mind paying an extra couple hundred when I get something that looks sleek, subtle, and proffesional.. Over what I'd have if I bought from ibuypower.

http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/desktop-studio-xps/desktop-studio-xps-highlights/desktop-studio-xps-9000-design5.jpg

http://www.dell.com/content/products/superview.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&xdb=Z2xvYmFsOnByb2R1Y3RzOmRlc2t0b3Atc3R1ZGlvLXhwczpmbGFzaDpkZXNrdG9wLXN0dWRpby14cHMtNDM1I3JlZ2lvbg==

I hear and agree with what people have been saying against Dell, but I'm okay with paying a little extra to have something nice to look at for the next two years, instead of an eyesore.

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 10:11pm by Coyohma
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Coyohma wrote:
To be blunt, the cases I'm seeing at ibuypower look like they're trying to appeal to a 12 year old who drinks ten mountain dews a day and uses l33t speak all the time. Yeah, aesthetics do matter to me when the performance differences are pretty much a wash. I really don't mind paying an extra couple hundred when I get something that looks sleek, subtle, and proffesional.. Over what I'd have if I bought from ibuypower.

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I hear and agree with what people have been saying against Dell, but I'm okay with paying a little extra to have something nice to look at for the next two years, instead of an eyesore.


Have you looked at the Antec, Thermaltake, NZXT, and Zalman cases? Particularly the Zalmans are understated in terms of aesthetics and if you just prefer something else entirely, newegg.com, xoxide.com, and tigerdirect.com have good case selections as well.

I totally understand the logic of wanting your case to look good. The parts are important for performance, but you don't want something that you don't consider aesthetically pleasing, and everyone's concept of this varies.

Take a look around at what's out there. If you have something in mind, I could try to point out something more specific. You said you liked the way Dell's looked, so I'm assuming you like silver?

Here are plenty of silver cases, some with side panel windows, some without. Some a little more fancy and some a little more plain. Again, cases come in a wide variety of colors and designs so you should never settle untiil you find a case you're happy with. After all, you'll be staring at it for years to come.
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#154 Aug 11 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Default
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Mikhalia wrote:
Have you looked at the Antec, Thermaltake, NZXT, and Zalman cases? Particularly the Zalmans are understated in terms of aesthetics and if you just prefer something else entirely, newegg.com, xoxide.com, and tigerdirect.com have good case selections as well.

I totally understand the logic of wanting your case to look good. The parts are important for performance, but you don't want something that you don't consider aesthetically pleasing, and everyone's concept of this varies.

Take a look around at what's out there. If you have something in mind, I could try to point out something more specific. You said you liked the way Dell's looked, so I'm assuming you like silver?

Here are plenty of silver cases, some with side panel windows, some without. Some a little more fancy and some a little more plain. Again, cases come in a wide variety of colors and designs so you should never settle untiil you find a case you're happy with. After all, you'll be staring at it for years to come.

Certainly looked at those before coming to that conclusion - made sure to check every option they had on several models.

I'm sure there are cases out there that I'd be OK with.. I remember thinking some Corsair ones looked decent - but that's building your own PC, not ordering from ibuypower.

It's not necessarily the silver I like, but the overall look to it, especially the front/top. The first link has it in black.. I think either color would be fine. Thanks for the thoughts, though =)

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 11:37pm by Coyohma
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Hopefully my last question...

In practice, what is the difference between a Dual Radeon 5770 and a single 5970 for example?


The 5970 is faster, uses less power and doesn't require 2 PCIE slots. The 5970 is essentially two 5870 GPUs on a single card.


As far as CPU coolers are concerned (and you will want to replace the crappy stock cooler even if you don't OC) I'd recommend the Xigmatek Dark Knight. It has brackets for all of Intel's LGA sockets as well as AMD's sockets. It performs well and is not too expensive. Most importantly it has solid well designed mounting hardware with a metal backplate that is held in place by a *****/spring assembly (AVOID coolers with mounting hardware that use screws to apply direct force to the CPU/socket/MB!) The Xigmatec Baldur is also very nice but overkill unless you are OCing.

If you are getting a big video card make sure you get a case with a front air intake and have a fan in the front of the case as well as the rear. Note that some cases that don't have an air intake on the front panel will have a one along the bottom edge of the front panel just under the edge of the case. This should be OK as long as you aren't doing SLI or Crossfire.

Vantec Stealths are excellent low noise fans that don't cost too much (believe me you will want low noise fans)


According to testing done on tomshardware.com the difference between 2x8 PCIE and 2x16 PCIE for SLI and Crossfire is around 3-5% on most games. So a core i5 or i7 860 on a P55 MB with dual 8x PCIE is perfectly acceptable for an SLI or Crossfire setup.


On P55 MB's do NOT use memory that uses over 1.5v Anything higher that 1.55v is considered the outer edge of the safe limit by Intel's specifications. When I built my i7 860 I was told by OCZ to over volt the CPU and memory to unsafe voltages when the OCZ memory I had purchased failed to work at 1.5v. I said "@#%^ that" and sent the memory back and replaced it with some gskill 1.35 low voltage memory instead.

The thing that really annoyed me was the the OCZ techs were completely unaware that the LGA 1156 CPUs had lower voltage limits that the LGA 1366 CPUs and were telling people on the forums to overvolt their CPUs to voltages that would gradually destroy them.




Edited, Aug 12th 2010 3:37am by Lobivopis
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#156 Aug 12 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh my god
I just got my new rig built today.
After all the programs and drivers set up, I m so eager to run the benchmark...
and I just got a 3196 on High and 5084 on low

my build below:
is it too high or too low for this build? IIRC, i need to install some kind of .NET framework or something before i run it, but i didnt do it. is it gonna make a diff?

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1 Build 7600)
Intel Core i7 930 @2.80GHz (8 CPUs) -2.8GHz
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Mostaru wrote:
Oh my god
I just got my new rig built today.
After all the programs and drivers set up, I m so eager to run the benchmark...
and I just got a 3196 on High and 5084 on low

my build below:
is it too high or too low for this build? IIRC, i need to install some kind of .NET framework or something before i run it, but i didnt do it. is it gonna make a diff?

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1 Build 7600)
Intel Core i7 930 @2.80GHz (8 CPUs) -2.8GHz
Nvidia GTX470
6GB DDR3 1600 RAM


The benchmark score sounds about what would be expected based on the parts you're using.
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I've taken into consideration the advise on cooling and case and made a couple changes.

Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5870 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
800W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£89)
Processor Cooling
TITAN FENRIR EXTREME DIRECT TOUCH COPPER CPU COOLER (£39)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence

Most of the products/brands that you advised are not available on the site I'm using but I think I might have got the equivalent to it. What you think of this build at 1530 Euro?

Also if you think something is above the needs for the game let me know as I'm getting a bit over the mark money wise.
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PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59) <--- Get a case you like. If you like this case, it's fine.
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache <--- Processor is good. I wouldn't downgrade this.
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI <--- Really good motherboard
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB) <--- Good brand, good speed, good amount. Anything over 6 and I'd have said to downgrade but 4-6 GB is the sweet spot for where technology is at.
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5870 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11 <--- Really good card, you won't be disappointed.
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm) <--- Good hard drive. You could downgrade it but the cost difference would be negligible.
800W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£89) <--- 800W should be ample for the CPU and GPU.
TITAN FENRIR EXTREME DIRECT TOUCH COPPER CPU COOLER (£39) <--- If you don't plan to overclock, the stock cooler should be fine and you shouldn't need this.
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD) <--- This is fine. No need to get an extra sound card.
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence <--- This is fine as well. Unless you need the functions that Professional provides, and I don't believe you do, Home Premium is the best choice. Don't go with Home Basic or Starter; they're terrible.

If you feel you HAVE to take some money off:

First thing I'd do is go with a stock heatsink instead of the Titan.
Second thing I'd do is downgrade the case (If you can find a less expensive one that you still like).
Third thing I'd do is downgrade the hard drive.
Fourth thing I'd do is downgrade the motherboard.
Fifth thing I'd do is downgrade the RAM to 1333.
Sixth thing I'd do is downgrade the 5870 to a 5850.
Seventh thing I'd do is downgrade the CPU to an i7-920, or an i5-750.

Again, I'm not officially suggesting any of that (Well, maybe the heatsink thing), just saying that if you HAVE to knock some money off, that's probably the best priority to do it in. Your parts look fine as is, but if you feel like "Okay, I -need- to reduce the price somehow", go through that list.

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First I would like to thank you for the itemized (sp) opinion.

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If you feel you HAVE to take some money off:

First thing I'd do is go with a stock heatsink instead of the Titan.
Second thing I'd do is downgrade the case (If you can find a less expensive one that you still like).
Third thing I'd do is downgrade the hard drive.
Fourth thing I'd do is downgrade the motherboard.
Fifth thing I'd do is downgrade the RAM to 1333.
Sixth thing I'd do is downgrade the 5870 to a 5850.
Seventh thing I'd do is downgrade the CPU to an i7-920, or an i5-750.


Just to clear matters I do not intend to OC.

The reason why I went with this cooler instead of the stock was because of Lobivopis' comment.

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As far as CPU coolers are concerned (and you will want to replace the crappy stock cooler even if you don't OC) I'd recommend the Xigmatek Dark Knight. It has brackets for all of Intel's LGA sockets as well as AMD's sockets. It performs well and is not too expensive. Most importantly it has solid well designed mounting hardware with a metal backplate that is held in place by a *****/spring assembly (AVOID coolers with mounting hardware that use screws to apply direct force to the CPU/socket/MB!) The Xigmatec Baldur is also very nice but overkill unless you are OCing.


In regards to the case I would like to have a "preatty" one but for this machine I was looking for a well ventilated one. I REALLY don't want to overheat and "explode" my PC just because after spending so much money on hardware I skimped on the case. Do you think that with my current hardware I can just use a basic case?

In regards to the HDD even if I went down to a 250GB the difference would only be about 15 Euro, as such I think I might as well go with this one.

From this point on I think that I wouldn't like to downgrade anything as this would really inpact on the game.

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 9:04am by Hugus
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Hugus wrote:
First I would like to thank you for the itemized (sp) opinion.

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If you feel you HAVE to take some money off:

First thing I'd do is go with a stock heatsink instead of the Titan.
Second thing I'd do is downgrade the case (If you can find a less expensive one that you still like).
Third thing I'd do is downgrade the hard drive.
Fourth thing I'd do is downgrade the motherboard.
Fifth thing I'd do is downgrade the RAM to 1333.
Sixth thing I'd do is downgrade the 5870 to a 5850.
Seventh thing I'd do is downgrade the CPU to an i7-920, or an i5-750.


Just to clear matters I do not intend to OC.

The reason why I went with this cooler instead of the stock was because of Lobivopis' comment.

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As far as CPU coolers are concerned (and you will want to replace the crappy stock cooler even if you don't OC) I'd recommend the Xigmatek Dark Knight. It has brackets for all of Intel's LGA sockets as well as AMD's sockets. It performs well and is not too expensive. Most importantly it has solid well designed mounting hardware with a metal backplate that is held in place by a *****/spring assembly (AVOID coolers with mounting hardware that use screws to apply direct force to the CPU/socket/MB!) The Xigmatec Baldur is also very nice but overkill unless you are OCing.


In regards to the case I would like to have a "preatty" one but for this machine I was looking for a well ventilated one. I REALLY don't want to overheat and "explode" my PC just because after spending so much money on hardware I skimped on the case. Do you think that with my current hardware I can just use a basic case?

In regards to the HDD even if I went down to a 250GB the difference would only be about 50 Euro, as such I think I might as well go with this one.

From this point on I think that I wouldn't like to downgrade anything as this would really inpact on the game.

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 9:01am by Hugus


Regarding the heatsink: I think the stock one might be fine, but if he feels strongly enough about it, there must be a reason and I'm willing to trust him; he's a reasonably intelligent guy. If nothing else, I'm a proponent of "too much" rather than "just enough".

As for the case, you -can- get pretty -and- functional in one case. I dunno that I'd go with a -basic- case, but something that is still well ventilated and looks good should be fine. Definitely no less than two case fans, and that's bare minimum. 3-4 is a good number of fans to have, although I'm running 5 in mine (front, back, top, and two in the side). The big thing about the case is you don't want the ables obstructing airflow, and you want air to be both PULLED IN to the case and PUSHED OUT of the case, and you want enough room in the case for the air to move around.

As for the HD, that's pretty much what I expected; as I mentioned, the price difference with a lower capacity HD is so minor... A lot of people, myself included, will end up buying a HD way bigger than they need for no reason other than ********** it, it's only a few more bucks"..

And you're right that from that point on, you're going to be affecting performance.
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TITAN FENRIR EXTREME DIRECT TOUCH COPPER CPU COOLER (£39)


Titan is a company mostly known mostly known for cheaply made low cost coolers.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233040&Tpk=xigmatec%20baldur

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029&cm_re=xigmatek_dark_knight-_-35-233-029-_-Product


The difference between the two is the nickel plating (nickel vs dark nickel) and the Baldur has mounting for an extra fan if you want to add one (personally I think it's a waste).

The only problem I wan into was that the installation instructions were a bit unclear. Someone on Youtube has put together a guide for installing the Dark Knight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN6qOc6hknY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2wwhNHdzo



Edited, Aug 12th 2010 6:29am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:


Regarding the heatsink: I think the stock one might be fine, but if he feels strongly enough about it, there must be a reason and I'm willing to trust him; he's a reasonably intelligent guy. If nothing else, I'm a proponent of "too much" rather than "just enough".


The stock fan that came with my 860 was terrible. My CPU was hitting 95c running Prime 95.

When Intel sends out review samples they always send a Thermalright tower cooler in addition to the stock cooler. Intel has said that the stock cooler is intended for "standard" computer use and that applications like Prime 95 are "not standard use".

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As for the case, you -can- get pretty -and- functional in one case. I dunno that I'd go with a -basic- case, but something that is still well ventilated and looks good should be fine. Definitely no less than two case fans, and that's bare minimum. 3-4 is a good number of fans to have, although I'm running 5 in mine (front, back, top, and two in the side). The big thing about the case is you don't want the ables obstructing airflow, and you want air to be both PULLED IN to the case and PUSHED OUT of the case, and you want enough room in the case for the air to move around.


More fans = more noise. Don't go overboard with more fans than you need. If you are running a single graphics card then two 1500 RPM low noise fans (one in front and one in back) should be enough. Also if you have a tower cooler make sure you orient your cooler front to back with the cooler blowing in the same direction as the airflow in the case.

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First thing I'd do is go with a stock heatsink instead of the Titan.
Second thing I'd do is downgrade the case (If you can find a less expensive one that you still like).
Third thing I'd do is downgrade the hard drive.
Fourth thing I'd do is downgrade the motherboard.
Fifth thing I'd do is downgrade the RAM to 1333.
Sixth thing I'd do is downgrade the 5870 to a 5850.
Seventh thing I'd do is downgrade the CPU to an i7-920, or an i5-750.


The stock memory speed for a LGA 1366 is 1066

The stock memory speed for LGA 1156 is 1333

The X58 and P55 chipsets are not designed to go faster than the stock memory speed and running them with faster memory is actually overclocking. Not much is to be gained by going higher than the stock speeds. Maybe a few % speed increase, if that.

There is not much to be gained by low latency memory. The difference between 7-7-7-20 and 9-9-9-24 is so small that it's barely distinguishable from statistical noise.


Core i7 860 performs essentially the same as an i7 920, except with a cheaper MB and dual channel memory. 2x8 PCIE performs within 3-5% of 2x16 PCIE in SLI.



With LGA 1156 you need to make sure the memory you are buying really is 1.5v DRAM at the listed speeds. the OCZ memory I bought said 1.5v but turned out to need 1.6v to run at 1333, which was just barely within tolerance for an LGA 1156 CPU. It would boot up at 1.5v, but that was because the spd settings were 1066 at 1.5v. I really couldn't shake the feeling that they were passing off overvolted 1066 DDR3 as 1333 so I sent it back and got some actual low voltage 1333 DDR3 (actually it was 1600 1.35v DDR3, I only bought it because it was only a bit more than the 1333)


Most budget and midrange P55 MBs that have 6GBs SATA 3.0 will steal 8 PCIE lanes when running SATA 3.0 at 6GBs. This means that a single graphics card will drop to 8x PCIE when running 6GBs SATA (although only solid state drives can even take advantage of 6GBs) The higher end P55 boards have additional chips that add more PCIE lanes. But for that price you might as well just buy an X58 based board.


LGA 1156 is less expensive choice which doesn't sacrifice performance if you don't need the more advanced features of LGA 1366.


Just throwing out what I learned when building a new PC a few months ago in case it's useful to someone.




Edited, Aug 12th 2010 7:39am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#164 Aug 12 2010 at 3:48 AM Rating: Decent
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my PC has
AMD Athlon 4 Core CPU
8gb Ram
GT120 1gb graphiccard.

my Notebook has
Intel Centrino Dual Core
4gb Ram
2x Gforce 8700M (2x 256gb)

and both of them sucks i got on both like 800 Score.

at the end of the month i wil buy a new pc.

AMD 6core
8gb ram
ASUS Crosshair IV Formula Mainboard
and i havent choose the Graphiccrad now.

ASUS ATI Radeon MATRIX 5870 Platinum 2gb
or
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480, 1,5gb

the Gforce is a little bit better, but also cost more.

but with this setup i think, i wil get 3000 or more Score
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In regards to heat sink I'm thinking of downgrading to a "SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£19)" instead of the stock just to make sure...

The case I've chosen appears to have 4 fans inbuilt including a large one on the side for only 40 more Euro than the basic.

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 10:00am by Hugus
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In regards to heat sink I'm thinking of downgrading to a "SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£19)" instead of the stock just to make sure...


Do not use a tower cooler that uses plastic push pins. It's just asking for trouble.

Whatever cooler you settle on, do some research on the web and look for reviews first. Some coolers are complete junk that actually perform worse than the stock coolers and some have poorly designed mounting hardware that can damage your CPU socket or MB.
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5870 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
800W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£89)
Processor Cooling
TITAN FENRIR EXTREME DIRECT TOUCH COPPER CPU COOLER (£39)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence


1370 Euro

Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5850 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
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Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£79)

The main difference is the Graphics from a 5870 to a 5850. from looking online it seems the 80 Euro difference doesn't really reflect adifference between 74 and 82 FPS I've seen online. (Test was made on Battlefield 2 at high resolution)

Opinions?

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I don't mean to be rude or anything...

But this thread has been going for what seems like a week. You post a build, then when you get advice on whether it's good or bad, you simply post a completely different build. You should have the information you need at this point to make an informed decision, constantly posting new builds is getting on my nerves for some reason. You've posted builds with every motherboard/processor/GPU known to man... please for the love of god stop already...
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Although I might have posted more builds than you would like to see you will probably notice that the gap between them has been decreasing noticably.

On my last post what I was looking for is for people to let me know if indeed the small downgrade will impact the gaming experience and if so how much...

Having in mind that when I posted the OP on this thread I didn't even know what was wrong with my build and to the knowledge I have gained since then I think this is/was a worth while thread and opefully some other people who might be in a simillar situation got a better idea about it.
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Post your build on Tom's and see what they think.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31-322.html
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
Oh my god
I just got my new rig built today.
After all the programs and drivers set up, I m so eager to run the benchmark...
and I just got a 3196 on High and 5084 on low

my build below:
is it too high or too low for this build? IIRC, i need to install some kind of .NET framework or something before i run it, but i didnt do it. is it gonna make a diff?

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1 Build 7600)
Intel Core i7 930 @2.80GHz (8 CPUs) -2.8GHz
Nvidia GTX470
6GB DDR3 1600 RAM


The benchmark score sounds about what would be expected based on the parts you're using.


thanks man, but is there anything i could do score higher other than OC'ing my pc?
does it matter if i had other programs running when i did the benchmark?
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Try posting something useful to the OP maybe?
I did. I told him to get the **** out of their company with his money and invest it elsewhere. That's the advice. So what if it doesn't fit in with exactly what he originally wanted? Him going it alone is what caused his disappointment the last time around. Why advise he keep making the same mistakes?


I think you are continually missing the point that the OP is unable to switch vendors. The way I understood it, is that he is already under financing with Dell and cannot get out of it. Even AFTER he returns the PC, he is still obligated by contract to finance another PC through them. It's an exchange...not a return. OP can correct me if I misinterpreted something.



EDIT: I didn't realize this thread went passed the first page. FAIL. Please disregard this as i'm sure it's already been address >.<

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 12:12pm by Nichigogo
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Hugus wrote:
Although I might have posted more builds than you would like to see you will probably notice that the gap between them has been decreasing noticably.

On my last post what I was looking for is for people to let me know if indeed the small downgrade will impact the gaming experience and if so how much...

Having in mind that when I posted the OP on this thread I didn't even know what was wrong with my build and to the knowledge I have gained since then I think this is/was a worth while thread and opefully some other people who might be in a simillar situation got a better idea about it.


Based on my own personal benchmarks with the FF14 benchmark program, it seems that the video card is the most limiting factor.

I have an i7 860 OCed to run at 3.82GHZ. At most, I was at about a 12% CPU load.
Video card on the other hand...I have using SLI 250s, and it does not seem to like that combination. Overclocking the video cards does yield noticeable performance gains, but SLI + heat is making improvements difficult.

When I get home, if I have the time, I can see what point the CPU ceases to assist, but your video card is definitely a super major player in performance.

RAM speeds (1333 vs 1600) are very insignificant, and if you have no desires to overclock, the stock cooler does a fine job at keeping the CPU temps in check.



Edited, Aug 12th 2010 2:02pm by sohma

Btw, with my build, my score on high is about 24xx.

Build:

i7 860 (3.82GHz)
8GB DDR3 (1424MHz) @ 9-9-9-28
GTS 250s X2 in SLI



Edited, Aug 12th 2010 2:06pm by sohma
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Mikhalia wrote:
Tevious wrote:
Dell XPS 7100 [...] Radeon HD 5870


Source:
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2010/05/12/studio-xps-7100-amd-6-core-processors-in-a-dell-desktop.aspx

"Case in point, a 460-watt power supply comes standard. That's enough to power a robust set of graphics card options (AMD's ATI Radeon 5450, 5670 and 5870 cards), up to 16GB of 1333MHz DDR3 memory and up to two 3.5" hard drive bays for a maximum internal storage capacity of 3TB. Add it all up, and you've got a pretty capable quad- or 6-core machine with a great price/performance ratio."

Source:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5870/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5870-system-requirements.aspx
ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 System Requirements
* 500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)

So yeah.

I know you said you haven't read the thread, but the tl;dr of the last 40 or 50 posts is me explaining that Dell includes sh*tty power supplies (among other things) that are not sufficient to power the systems they ship them with, leading to a high probability of catastrophic system failure in "high end" Dell systems.

I'll just chalk this up as -another- example of Dell not knowing what they are doing.
Nah, they know what they're doing, they just care more about cutting costs than providing a quality product.

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Processor Intel 3ghz
Ram 4 gigs(but pc only recognizes 3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
OS Windows XP 32bit

Benchmark score 1025

seemed to run just fine

And your specs blow mine out the water

Windows 7 is demanding, you need 1.5 gig of ram just to run the OS
I got 1160 on my old desktop (I actually have that exact GPU). Trust me, it's nigh unplayable. With all the settings cranked down, I spent the entire time in the field under 10 fps. Around more than a couple people (at crystals) the framerate is brutally low. I would highly recommend AGAINST someone trying to shoot for that low of a bar. My experiences in-game in the alpha and beta... it just doesn't cut it.

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 1:28pm by bsphil
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my PC has
AMD Athlon 4 Core CPU
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GT120 1gb graphiccard.

my Notebook has
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4gb Ram
2x Gforce 8700M (2x 256gb)

and both of them sucks i got on both like 800 Score.

at the end of the month i wil buy a new pc.

AMD 6core
8gb ram
ASUS Crosshair IV Formula Mainboard
and i havent choose the Graphiccrad now.

ASUS ATI Radeon MATRIX 5870 Platinum 2gb
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480, 1,5gb

the Gforce is a little bit better, but also cost more.

but with this setup i think, i wil get 3000 or more Score


Desktop: Processor is moderate, but video card is terribad
Laptop: Processor and vide are both pretty bad; I'm surprised you got as high as you did.

Upgrading to a hexacore AMD or a mid to high end Intel i7 with a 5870 or 480 should get you in the 4500-6000 range on low res easily.
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#176 Aug 12 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Default
where is the bench mark on the site? i was looking but couldnt find it
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where is the bench mark on the site? i was looking but couldnt find it
Let me Google that for you.
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Hugus wrote:


Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI
Memory (RAM)
6GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1600MHz (3 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5850 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
600W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£59)
Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£19)
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Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£79)



Replace the no-name cooler with something decent.


Edited, Aug 13th 2010 5:35am by Lobivopis
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Hopefukky this will be my last question in regards to builds. Which of the following you think is the best Spec/Cost wise?

AMD 788 GBP

AMD PHENOM II X6 1055T (2.80GHz/9MB CACHE/AM3/)
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ASUS® M4A87TD/USB3: DUAL DDR3,SATA 6.0GB/s, USB 3.0
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2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX460 GDDR5 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
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1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
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ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
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Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence

Intel 977 GBP

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Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5850 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
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INTEL SOCKET LGA1366 STANDARD CPU COOLER
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Hopefukky this will be my last question in regards to builds. Which of the following you think is the best Spec/Cost wise?

AMD 788 GBP

AMD PHENOM II X6 1055T (2.80GHz/9MB CACHE/AM3/)
Motherboard
ASUS® M4A87TD/USB3: DUAL DDR3,SATA 6.0GB/s, USB 3.0
Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX460 GDDR5 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence

Intel 977 GBP

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-930 (2.80GHz) 4.8GTs/8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5850 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling
INTEL SOCKET LGA1366 STANDARD CPU COOLER
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence


Both of these are OK. I would get the one with Intel and the 5850 graphics card though, but I'm sure both of them would do the job fine.

Maybe it would be wise to get a bit more powerful PSU, 450W seems a bit low (if you can get a 500W-600W it would probably be better, but I'm no expert on this).
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Maybe it would be wise to get a bit more powerful PSU, 450W seems a bit low (if you can get a 500W-600W it would probably be better, but I'm no expert on this).


450W's the minimum suggested for the gtx460 and the minimum on the 5850 is 500W. Better to go above the minimum and look at 600-650W.

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 9:30am by TwistedOwl
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Maybe it would be wise to get a bit more powerful PSU, 450W seems a bit low (if you can get a 500W-600W it would probably be better, but I'm no expert on this).

450W's the minimum suggested for the gtx460 and the minimum on the 5850 is 500W. Better to go above the minimum and look at 600-650W.


Will do, otherwise both these builds should play the game decently and at the same quality, correct?
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Both are fine, personally I'd get the intel chip, but that's just me. Whichever one you get swap the PSU immediately.
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I'm gonna concur with "both are fine, but replace the PSU with a 650W or better"
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Personally, what I do as a general rule is find out what the minimum PSU recommendation for your particular video card is. Then add 150W to that to be safe. If I'm overclocking, I'd add an additional 100W to that.

For example:
If I'm using a video card that says minimum 450W PSU recommended, I'd use a 600W for that. If I plan to overclock everything too, I'd use a 700W.
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Finally got my new computer today and ran the benchmark:

Low Res 4479
Loadtime 25913 ms (dont' know what this number means)

Don't know what my High Res score was, couldn't see it and not sure how I could see it. But it still ran nice and smooth, no lag or skipping.

I went from a craptacular laptop to:
i5-760 @ 2.80
5770 ATI
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Asus P7H55 Intel H55 express chipset DDR3

Thanks to everyone for all the help and guidance. ^.^


EDIT: High Res 2524

Edited, Aug 16th 2010 9:31pm by RSquires
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Personally, what I do as a general rule is find out what the minimum PSU recommendation for your particular video card is. Then add 150W to that to be safe. If I'm overclocking, I'd add an additional 100W to that.

For example:
If I'm using a video card that says minimum 450W PSU recommended, I'd use a 600W for that. If I plan to overclock everything too, I'd use a 700W.


Yup.
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