This is going to be a long post.
Perhaps you should take a reading comprehension class. The only thing I said was when you are having a discussion like this with ANYONE in person, chances are you would not be so abrasive. Not once did I ever say you are to much of a @#%^ to say it to my face. I can clearly tell you are looking for some kind of conflict here.
Funny how you will draw the conclusions you've drawn with me, but I need a reading comprehension class for the one I drew there. I really haven't been that abrasive and yes, I would discuss it just as I have here.
Clearly no amount of rational argument will get the point across to you, so carry on as you are, I doubt anyone on these forums will pay much attention to your advice.
Nobody has made a rational argument with me. They have described very unlikely scenarios and exaggerated the facts to skew the discussion in their favor then resorted to insults when they couldn't produce an ample amount of proof to support their claims. More than one poster has posted setups equal to or hotter than the single 470 and they have basically supported
If they don't want to pay attention to my advice then fine, their loss not mine. What's your point again, that I'm a meanypoo? Lets go post by post to see what has been said here and gauge just how much of a jerk I am.
Me pointing out (in short) that these are the only real factors to consider with these cards and that anything else is propaganda:
I can't believe anybody would make their purchase based on temps.
Everything else excuses for fanboys and poor people.
Horrible me; I used sarcasm to point out that the main factor in an overheating system is likely something that isn't the graphics card:
Right because if your components overheat with x card, then they wouldn't with y card. If a gtx 470 overheats everything (lol) then the card is the least of your problems.
It stayed somewhat respectful for a bit (albeit more exaggeration from people that either don't know or are pushing agendas) and this happened.
If you weren't somehow posting on these forums, I would question whether you even own a computer.
Hint: Modern components will throttle themselves to reduce their temperature instead of just letting them fry. That leads to, you guessed it, reduced performance. Saying you should consider performance instead of temperature is like saying you should think about your car's gas mileage instead of how much gas it uses.
Uh oh, now I have to fire back. I wasn't so abrasive in the response though.
You guys are arguing a situation that I haven't even heard of actually happening. An environment hot enough for a gtx 470 to overheat a system, but a 5850 wouldn't? Be realistic people. How dumb would it sound if I said a 5870 would overheat my system but a gtx 460 is so nice and icy?
A video card like the gtx 470 isn't going to cause a system to overheat and throttle itself 99.9% of the time. Yeah I made that statistic up. A crappy case and/or an oven for a room would, but a gtx 470 causing a system to throttle? Give me a freaking break already.
So I make a point without being nearly as abrasive as our fanboy friend, but he responds with this nugget.
A GTX470 will cause itself to throttle, which is more than enough reason not to get it over a card which is almost identical in performance. Do you even seriously know what the **** you're talking about? When the Nvidia card is running a full 14C higher than the ATI, you'd have to be seriously stupid to go with the Nvidia card when the ATI perfectly suits your purposes.
How dumb would it sound if I said a 5870 would overheat my system but a gtx 460 is so nice and icy?
Incredibly dumb, since it's already been statistically established that the cards are in fact the other way around. But go on believing that heat won't somehow dissipate through your case and it's all magically whisked away by fairies as soon as it's generated.
More exaggerations and lies. Not only that, but an argument was made to counter a point that I never even made? He even had some funny cheerleader join in and add nothing. Awesome! Now lets see what kind of flamethrower abrasive old me brought out to counter.
You make it seem as if these gtx 470s are overheating and throttling everywhere. Show me where these cards are overheating and exhibiting this behavior. Show me where they are causing overheating in other components. You can't can you? They will run at higher temps and can tolerate them well. The only prerequisite is that you have a case with decent airflow.
I never said to get an Nvidia card if an ATI card suits your purpose perfectly. If someone is going to buy their card based on just FFXIV performance so far then by all means they SHOULD buy an ATI card. I'm going to buy two of them just for this reason (and I would save $200+ over going with GTX 480s).
Ack! Lock that meaney up in a jail cell before he offends us all! Lets go further...
I never said they were constantly overheating; in fact, no one did. But you're pretending that heat output shouldn't be a factor in what components you choose, and that it's "excuses for fanboys and poor people", which is frankly one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. You can build a computer out of components that are notorious for running hot if you want to; I'll be over using my cooler components with longer lifespan and better performance, not because they're inherently better, but because they're running a good 15C cooler.
Now this guy starts backtracking when he was bringing up throttling right before that. He then misses my original points and begins to call my opinion the stupidest thing he's ever heard. And I'm Mr Offensive Abrasive guy? This is getting awesomer every second. I made up a word for you guys to insult me with.
You said yourself that it will cause itself to throttle. Another poster in this thread claimed that it would heat up other components and drop the performance all around. This is way overblown and you know it.
At this point it shouldn't. The card in question will not drop the performance of the surrounding components any more than it's ATI counterpart. If these things are cooking systems to that extent then you must have plenty of examples.
I should have added that uninformed to that list, but whatever. Fanboys like to cite heat as a reason for why the 400 series fail since they have a hardon for the red side. Broke people will hate on the things they can't afford. Ignorant people will listen to random message board posters and draw a quick conclusion based off unrealistic scenarios. If that offends you then I'm sorry. Actually I'm not, be mad.
Enjoy running a 58xx card for the next 10 years rofl. I do hope my super hot 5870s won't fry my system though. Oh well, all they have to do is last a couple years and I'll toss them out anyway. It's nice to not be broke.
My response and it was once again pretty tame. A dose of sarcasm at the end but hey, at this point is that so bad?
If you - or more likely, your parents - have more money than sense, that's your own concern. But quit using it as a basis to be a moron and give out sh*tty advice to people on forums.
More insults and less real support for his argument. Are we seeing a pattern here? You're lecturing me on manners and check out how this is going. Once again it appears that it must have been something other than my attitude that annoyed you so much.
For anybody that isn't sure which route to go for their next graphics card upgrade: look at how mad this young guy is getting. This is typical fanboy behavior at it's finest; trash the other card with examples that don't exist then insult whoever points it out. If he is telling the truth then he would start posting links showing that these cards will toast everything around them, but he knows this just isn't the case. Any example of that would be poor conditions in which any card would fail. I'll even look around for examples of it too just to help make sure people don't get bad cases for their ATI/Nvidia cards.
Compare the performance of the different cards in the games that interest you most and compare the prices. If you think your case would heat up due to a gtx 470 and would rather go with the 5850, buy a new case anyway so your 5850 doesn't turn into a volcano. Seriously a Cooler Master HAF 932 Black costs $160 and would rock for air cooling. Stop being cheap and get a decent case for gods sake.
At this point I have to point out why the other poster really isn't too credible. Perhaps I could have eased up on the last line, but I'm trying to give good advice for the sake of whomever may take it. Protect your investment by spending just a bit extra on a quality case. ****, most people could probably add fans to their current case and be well off.
Who needs a reading comprehension class now? You didn't like my hardware advice so you saw what you wanted to see in my posts and had the nerve to lecture me before looking closer. Try again.