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#1 Aug 10 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Here are my parts.
My friends in the know of PCs and their guts have advised me on which parts to buy.. This is the list we came up with.

As this is my first PC build, please lend me your opinions! Of course, this list is not complete, but does detail the geekporn essentials.
Thanks :)
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#2 Aug 10 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks pretty decent. Very nice price tag too Smiley: cool



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Whichever HDD you decide on, buy 2 and RAID-0 them


Also, you might consider upgrading your CPU just a bit. I believe the socket AM3 board you have can handle it.

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 3:17pm by Osarion
#3 Aug 10 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Not bad for 500-some bucks. It should play XIV on low-mid settings just fine.
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#4 Aug 10 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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It should run me about ~$600-10 for these.
I also realized I should have posted this in the hardware forum. Sorry!
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#5 Aug 10 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Not bad for a budget. Personally I'd splurge a bit more for an HD 5830 (another $65 for a large performance jump).
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#6 Aug 10 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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thefireworksgreen wrote:
It should run me about ~$600-10 for these.
I also realized I should have posted this in the hardware forum. Sorry!


The only change I would make would be to upgrade to this 5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-873-_-Product

After the mail in rebate it is the same price and a more powerful card.

The Athlon II X4 chips are really great bargains, and are perfect for budget builds. The only difference between them and the Phenom II X4 is the absence of the L3 cache. You might consider spending $10-20 more to get a faster CPU, but the one you selected should do you proud.

Also of note is that the PSU you chose is available in a case + PSU combo for $67 which would save you enough cash to upgrade both your CPU and GPU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.443634

In fact, here is a combo that includes the 2.9GHz version of the CPU you selected as well as the 5770 GPU I recommended for $232, which is only $7 more than the individual parts you listed:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442723

Be sure to browse those combo deals. You can build a much more cost effective PC that way.
#7 Aug 10 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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My case needs to be as wide as possible to fit my MB (8.3") -- but thanks for the combo suggestion! That CPU and video bundle is perfect.
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#8 Aug 10 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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I'd very very strongly suggest changing the 5750 for AT LEAST a 5770. If you can afford a 5830, great, but at least get a 5770.

I'd also, less strongly, advise considering going with a Phenom II X4 instead of an Athlon II X4. Performance increase is notable.

I don't see a hard drive on that list, did you forget one or do you already have one? Ditto for Operating System.
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#9 Aug 10 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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thefireworksgreen wrote:
My case needs to be as wide as possible to fit my MB (8.3") -- but thanks for the combo suggestion! That CPU and video bundle is perfect.


It's an ATX motehrboard and should therefore fit in any ATX Mid tower or ATX full tower.
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Here is a link to an article that compares a Phenom II to an Athlon II.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/athlon-l3-cache,2416.html

They downclocked the Phenom to match the Athlon and found that the L3 chache doesn't really make much of a difference.

This is precisely why you don't see any Black Edition Athlon II X4s that can easily be overclocked, nor do you see any Athlon II X4 offered at a speed to match even the slowest Phenom. If they offered a faster Athlon II X4 they would pretty much obsolete their Phenom II X4s.

You can buy an Athlon II X4 for around $100 and OC it to almost match the performance of a Phenom II that costs 40%-60% more. If you are on a tight budget of around $600, I think the Athlon is the way to go.

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http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-l3-cache.htm
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#12 Aug 10 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see a hard drive on that list, did you forget one or do you already have one? Ditto for Operating System.


Here's that hard drive. I don't know why it didn't show up on my list. We have some friends that work for Microsoft that can obtain a copy of Windows 7 for me at employee price :)



Edited, Aug 10th 2010 7:30pm by thefireworksgreen
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#13 Aug 10 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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You sound like you're covered there then. Definitely bump up that video card though and you should be golden.
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#14 Aug 10 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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Hmm. Newegg doesn't want me to know my wishlist public ID.

I upgraded my card from the 5750 to the 5770. The HD, RAM, cooler and MB have remained the same, but I bundled my graphics card with an Athlon II X4 635 (up from the 630 and +0.1 ghz :) I'm also bundling up that tower/ps combo you recommended.

This puts my total down from ~$600 to $554.93 with updated hardware :D ****, even my shipping is three dollars cheaper.

Thank you for your help, friends!

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 8:26pm by thefireworksgreen
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#15 Aug 10 2010 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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Cool, With thoes upgrades you should be running a better score then i got :) best of luck let us know your benchmark score when you get it :)
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#16 Aug 10 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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thefireworksgreen wrote:
Hmm. Newegg doesn't want me to know my wishlist public ID.

I upgraded my card from the 5750 to the 5770. The HD, RAM, cooler and MB have remained the same, but I bundled my graphics card with an Athlon II X4 635 (up from the 630 and +0.1 ghz :) I'm also bundling up that tower/ps combo you recommended.

This puts my total down from ~$600 to $554.93 with updated hardware :D ****, even my shipping is three dollars cheaper.

Thank you for your help, friends!

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 8:26pm by thefireworksgreen


That ended up being a very small price to pay for a rig that should play the game decently. I am interested to see what you score on the benchmark.
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I would go with a Corsair PSU, I would go with the Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition, and I would get at least a 5770 (if you can afford 2x 5770, your benchmark will go even higher).

If you go with the Phenom II and get two 5770's, make sure your mobo will support it. For just an extra 100 or 150, you can probably get these parts and you'll be doing a lot better, IMO.

Edit: Looks like I might be late to the party, but this is a good resource:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31-322.html

A lot of the build experts there recommend the Phenom X4 955 BE when you don't have the coin for an i7. Basically, if you give them a budget, they can recommend the best everything for what you're trying to do.

Edited, Aug 10th 2010 11:26pm by Oenos
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#18 Aug 11 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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thefireworksgreen wrote:
Here are my parts.
My friends in the know of PCs and their guts have advised me on which parts to buy.. This is the list we came up with.


Ive been doing quite a bit of reading on the zam forums and finally decided to make an account cause this seems like the community for me.

Replying on this particular thread because your original build that your friends put together is basically my exact comp. Major identical components were the Processor (Athlon II X4 620) the Vid card (saffire rad HD5750) and 4Gb Ram.

Just wanted to let know with this build you have in the wishlist I am getting a 3400 on 720 and a 2200 on 1080. I am in the process of upgrading from the Athlon II x4 620 to the Phemnon II x4 965 BE. Will probably play game on 720 and down the road upgrade vid card and knock up the graphics settings.

But wanted to give you a general idea of how your benchmark would stand with your initial wishlist. With your upgrades that you noted I would say maybe add 500-700 points to the bench.
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#19 Aug 11 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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thefireworksgreen wrote:
Here are my parts.
My friends in the know of PCs and their guts have advised me on which parts to buy.. This is the list we came up with.


Ive been doing quite a bit of reading on the zam forums and finally decided to make an account cause this seems like the community for me.

Replying on this particular thread because your original build that your friends put together is basically my exact comp. Major identical components were the Processor (Athlon II X4 620) the Vid card (saffire rad HD5750) and 4Gb Ram.

Just wanted to let know with this build you have in the wishlist I am getting a 3400 on 720 and a 2200 on 1080. I am in the process of upgrading from the Athlon II x4 620 to the Phemnon II x4 965 BE. Will probably play game on 720 and down the road upgrade vid card and knock up the graphics settings.

But wanted to give you a general idea of how your benchmark would stand with your initial wishlist. With your upgrades that you noted I would say maybe add 500-700 points to the bench.


Here's the updated list. I'm also grabbing these bundles:
Tower and power source and the CPU and GPU.

I expect to have passmark scores of 3329 for the CPU and 1567 for my GPU.
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(From Mikhalia's "The Definitive 'Why did my system bomb the benchmark?' post). With a passmark score of 3000-4000, your FFXIV benchmark score should be around 3000-4500, depending on your GPU. You should be able to play the game at medium settings. . . [Video]cards rated 1500-1800 on that list will likely cost you between $140 and $200 and should manage the game on medium settings (lower or higher depending on your CPU).


I'm stoked for my machine :D
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#20 Aug 11 2010 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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I might consider a more powerful processor than the Phemnon II x4 965 - which is great for value but the new i7 chips are fast movers now for around a 100 bucks more. More bang for the buck basically.

Of course the discussion on sub 1000 dollar gaming rigs can go on and on for eternity. Especially with hardware prices dropping daily. Here are just a few whacky things to consider in your purchasing.

Now I don't necessarily recommend you do any of the following but it's not a bad idea to keep these things in your head:

- SSD is starting to drop now so consider solid state! Smaller drive capacity but much faster seek/read/write times. Fast enough to change your bench score? I don't know but reviewers peg SSD to be a technology to strongly consider in the near future. A 40 gig hard drive is running around 140 bucks. Not great capacity but more than enough for windows + FF XIV + a few applications.

- Overclock that whole rig. Plenty of software and tutorials on it now and it's the thing to do. Great way to squeeze 200 Mhz to a few Ghz out of a chip. The i7 920 chip can go from 2.66gh to 4 Ghz on air. OC'ers rejoice.

- Quadcore kinda sucks for gaming. Many titles don't even support multi-processors and this game is no different. Tri or quad cores won't make it better unless you do lots of video encoding. I've made the wrong decision twice now and regretted each time. A gamer needs speed, not parallel processing. Show me the Ghz.

- Review the G.Skill vs Dominator ram. They are probably close, but i know Tiger direct is selling dominator for the same price.

In the end we all have different needs and will need different hardware to achieve those goals. Keep up on the Hard OCP and watch for price breaks at newegg & tiger. There is a chance we will see more price drops by the end of summer and there is usually some more price drops near Christmas when newer hardware is rolled out. Just my .02

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- Quadcore kinda sucks for gaming. Many titles don't even support multi-processors and this game is no different. Tri or quad cores won't make it better unless you do lots of video encoding. I've made the wrong decision twice now and regretted each time. A gamer needs speed, not parallel processing. Show me the Ghz.
Eh? That's a rather bold statement to make. Making programs that support multi-threading isn't that complicated (balancing the workload evenly between threads can be). Looks like it has 24 threads running, to me.
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Particularly since the OS handles a lot of what the CPU is doing, so even if your game is ignoring some threads the OS will just route other traffic to those cores and leave more time for your game on the primary cores.
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I am almost certain FFXIV takes advantage of multiple cores. I can't speak to other games, but a quad core is certainly good to have for FFXIV.
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