I'm just continuing the argument for argument's sake, for the record, I'm not angry with/at you or being hostile, just debating your points here:
For the sake of argument, if you like the OS so much, you can buy Mac OSX for $129 and install it on any wintel system.
This is the sort of thing I tried to address which PC users constantly ignore. It isn't simply the OS, it's how the computer looks and feels also, along with the apple store support.
Regarding the computer's look and feel: An apple keyboard and mouse are simply USB that can plug into anything; yes, even a Windows system. Furthermore, "PC" simply means personal computer.
Is an iMac a computer? Is it your PERSONAL one? Then your iMac is a PC.
They use the same parts, just different cases. To say that the advantage of Mac systems is their appearance physically is like saying "HP is better than Dell because I like their cases better". Sure, you like their cases better, but you neglect to realize that not only does the case have absolutely nothing to do with performance, but you can quite literally buy whatever case you want.
Have you seen a Sony Vaio JS?
That's "a PC", and yet it looks almost the spitting image of an iMac. Install Mac OS X on it and I challenge you to tell me you wouldn't think that it wasn't one.
MacBook/iBook/PowerBook laptops look pretty close to other laptops as well, and the Mac Pro is just a tower, except that it has an Apple logo on it.
If I took your Mac Pro and replaced the internal components with parts I buy from Newegg and installed OS X on it, you would have NO WAY of knowing. The parts are the same, the only difference is the case. You can use vague terms like "look and feel" and "the experience" but what your argument boils down to is this:
"I like the case better".
That's it. The only thing I haven't covered that you mentioned is the support:
Now Macs are great for people learning to use a computer for the first time because they're a lot harder to inadvertently @#%^ up, and they're a lot more intuitive to people who do not consider themselves "a computer person". They're also great for the iLife suite that comes with them as well, if you like to make your own movies. High end programs like FCP and Aperture are nice as well.
It's kind of a **** move to assume that macs are only useful to computer idiots and film editors, because it implies that the other huge mac userbase who just like the computers are fools constantly getting the shaft willingly. My post above was meant to clarify that most mac users understand all of the arguments, are just as computer literate as the average PC user, and choose macs simply because they like the "whole deal" better. Also, why would you not want a more intuitive OS?
You can't tout the great support that Apple Stores provide and then also claim that Mac users are geniuses. Once you get past being a "new user", you shouldn't NEED Apple Store support any more. The good thing about Apple Stores is that they do repairs in shop (Geek Squad is basically the Windows equivalent of a Mac Genius, and everyone hates Geek Squad, yet everyone loves Mac Geniuses; oh, the double standard) and that they provide training classes on how to use the computer and the programs.
If you know how to use the computer and the programs, then you don't need those classes, and if you @#%^ed something up and need someone in a store to fix it for you, there are plenty of places you can go for a Windows system and only three you can go to for an Apple (amusingly enough, Best Buy is the second place; they're an Apple Authorized Retailer. Fry's is the third one)
As for the Phone support... eh, it's okay. Remember how I mentioned I used to work FOR Apple? When they interviewed me, they asked me "How much experience do you have with Macs?" and I was honest and told them "I really haven't used one since 7th grade." They said "That's okay; we'll teach you".
And teach me, they did. I was given a one month training course and put on the phones, ready to answer your questions. Have you ever called 1-800-APL-Care? That's the quality of support we offer. One month of training.
Incidentally, "we don't support how-to". That was DRILLED into our head. If someone called and asked "How do I...?" We were pretty much REQUIRED to point them to the knowledge base on apple.com/support. We were NOT allowed to answer the question. AT ALL. If we were caught answering how-to questions, we got written up.
If you've ever called Apple Tech support and asked a guy a bunch of how to questions and he actually gave you answers, his boss probably reamed him for it later. WE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS. That's the great Apple Support you get. Again, I worked there for over a year and a half and was even a SUPERVISOR. That's right; it was MY JOB that I got PAID for, FROM APPLE, to tell other agents to NOT tell customers how to do things.
Oh, and if anyone tells you "Apple doesn't outsource their support to India like Dell!", That's bullsh*t too. We had two locations in India and several in Canada, the US, and the UK that provide outsourced support for Apple computers. Call 1-800-APL-Care and ask the person where they are. If they don't say Austin, TX or Sacramento, CA, he's outsourced. If you ask him if he works for Apple, he's required to say yes. If you ask if Apple outsources their support, he is REQUIRED to lie to you and say no. But if he isn't in Sacramento or Austin, he "isn't an Apple employee" in the literal sense.
That's what you're paying extra for: People to lie to you who get yelled at for answering simple questions simply. Given that even Apple's tech support is TRAINED to make things seem more difficult than they are, is it any wonder that Apple users act like Macs are such a huge deal?
In the end, I'd rather have two computers than a trip to Tunisia, since you will still have your two computers for a while, but the trip is over when you get home.
You'd rather have a pointless second computer so that you can, what, have one in the kitchen too, rather than have an exciting trip to another country, where you can discover another culture and experience another way of life? Have you never traveled?
I've been to Jamaica, it's pretty nice. But after I left, the money was gone and so was Jamaica. Also been to Vegas, to Orlando, to Gettysburg... I've traveled and traveling is a fun diversion but it costs a lot of money for a limited period of fun. In the end, all you have left is memories and pictures. And memories and pictures are nice and all, but the difference between a $1000 computer and a $1000 trip is that in two months, you'll still have the $1000 computer.
I did post a pic of my computer room earlier. I live with my fiancee and we have 5 computers between the two of us.
If you will look back, you will notice that I mentioned that I do have an iMac in addition to a laptop and a tower. Of the three, I use my iMac the least because it doesn't do anything that my tower and laptop can't already do for me. Only time my iMac sees use is when I'm playing a fullscreen game and want to look something up without alt-tabbing and don't feel like getting my laptop, or when I want to listen to music while playing a game in fullscreen mode.
That's all my Mac is good for.
I don't understand your huge aversion to having a second computer for a different purpose is. Why is it that you feel that you should have one and only one computer, and that's it? I mean, I'm using two of them at once RIGHT NOW. I'm typing this message to you on my Linux laptop and I'm playing Minecraft on my Windows desktop. My Mac is just sorta sitting there though; it's off right now, and I can't remember the last time I turned the thing on, because there is absolutely nothing that my Mac offers me that my Windows or Linux systems do not also offer me.
Again, if you like your Mac, fine. But I'm telling you from experience of having worked for them that the service is horrible and that physically, the parts are exactly the same except the case (which, when you factor in that Vaio I linked, is a non-point as well).
There's nothing wrong with liking a Mac, but you seem to freak out at the mere thought of having a second computer for other things your Mac can't do, and you rely too much on vague, non-quantifiable terms like "the experience". Using a computer is not an experience. It's just a computer. I mean, they're awesome and all, but it's a bunch of circuits and pieces of metal and plastic that put pretty pictures on a screen. Any OS can do that. I'm not even telling you that you should stop using your Mac, because if you like it, then that's fine. But you act like the mere thought of using a product without an Apple logo on it will make you burst into flames.
EDIT: Just wanted to add, not sure if you remember, but when Apple was announcing the switch from PPC chips to Intel chips, people FREAKED OUT. Oh, the horror that my Mac is going to be even more like one of those evil "PCs". It's not just you; no, the cult of Apple flips the **** out when it comes to Windows systems for no freaking reason other than "It's not an Apple, therefore it is bad". Edited, Aug 13th 2010 8:17pm by Mikhalia