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#52 Aug 13 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Good
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#53 Aug 13 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Ugh. Mik just inadvertently reminded me I need to install Ubuntu on my parent's computer.

They're currently running XP and that's no bueno.

On topic, I wouldn't consider OSX or a mac for my parents at this stage. Ubuntu would be a fast, easy, free solution...

Anyway I could listen to mac vs. pc debates forever lol. It should be added as a presentation topic in high schools next to abortion, gun control and illegal immigration.
#54 Aug 14 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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Kierk wrote:
Anyway I could listen to mac vs. pc debates forever lol. It should be added as a presentation topic in high schools next to abortion, gun control and illegal immigration.


I almost went off on a tangent about the latter three but I'll hold my tongue. Smiley: smile

Ubuntu is great though.
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#55 Aug 14 2010 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Lexxuk wrote:
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The answer will be "30, cause FFXIV is capped" :P FFXIV isn't really all that graphically demanding, it'll run on 6 series Nvidia. It *has* to have the graphics capability to run on an Xbox and a PS3. My current video card (8800GTS/320Mb) scores over 2k on the benchmark.


Last update to FFXIV beta uncapped the FPS.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#56 Aug 14 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Variyen wrote:


It's kind of a **** move undeniably the truth to assume that macs are only useful to computer idiots
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#57 Aug 14 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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Lobivopis wrote:
Lexxuk wrote:
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The answer will be "30, cause FFXIV is capped" :P FFXIV isn't really all that graphically demanding, it'll run on 6 series Nvidia. It *has* to have the graphics capability to run on an Xbox and a PS3. My current video card (8800GTS/320Mb) scores over 2k on the benchmark.


Last update to FFXIV beta uncapped the FPS.


Yeah, I know; that post was made before the update was done.
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#58 Aug 14 2010 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Lobivopis wrote:
Variyen wrote:


It's kind of a **** move undeniably the truth to assume that macs are only useful to computer idiots
Don't forget trendy douchebags aka artists, hence their popularity for audio/video editing.
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#59 Aug 14 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Variyen wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem like a heavy power user. If you are then more power to you, but not everyone wants to sit in front of a computer all day fiddling with drivers and installing parts. Some people just want to buy a computer and it works. If it stops, just take it to the apple store and say "fix, please", and it's in a modern, comfortable environment. Not everyone has the time to order parts on Newegg and fix their own computer, or even cares enough to do so. Like I said, it's about the feel and experience, which means ease of use, beauty, and ergonomics.
Edited, Aug 13th 2010 2:54pm by Variyen


Sorry, lol, but I have to say something because Microsoft have made tremendous strides in improving usability. The statement about drivers is simply incorrect, as Windows 7 does a great job in finding and installing 'basic' drivers that will give most Plug and Play devices all the functionality a 'non-power' user would need.

This is the most extreme case...
I built an x58 computer last year... sold the computer, kept the hard drive. I built a p55 (complete different chipset) computer 2 weeks ago...plugged in my hard drive, and my old Windows 7 partition booted off the hard drive. That is UNHEARD of behind Windows 7 due to compatibility issues, lol. I was all prepared with an installation disk/driver disks...but apparently, none was needed (though I did need to reactive windows due to it detecting "drastic changes in hardware" lol)

I don't know, but I found that mad ****, lol.
#60 Aug 14 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Variyen wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem like a heavy power user. If you are then more power to you, but not everyone wants to sit in front of a computer all day fiddling with drivers and installing parts. Some people just want to buy a computer and it works. If it stops, just take it to the apple store and say "fix, please", and it's in a modern, comfortable environment. Not everyone has the time to order parts on Newegg and fix their own computer, or even cares enough to do so. Like I said, it's about the feel and experience, which means ease of use, beauty, and ergonomics.
Ignoring how stupid the "windows users have to fix drivers and install new parts every day when they want to use their PC" argument is, everything you said in this paragraph can be easily applied to windows users, except replace "apple store" with "any place that works on PCs".
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#61 Aug 14 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
Variyen wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem like a heavy power user. If you are then more power to you, but not everyone wants to sit in front of a computer all day fiddling with drivers and installing parts. Some people just want to buy a computer and it works. If it stops, just take it to the apple store and say "fix, please", and it's in a modern, comfortable environment. Not everyone has the time to order parts on Newegg and fix their own computer, or even cares enough to do so. Like I said, it's about the feel and experience, which means ease of use, beauty, and ergonomics.
Ignoring how stupid the "windows users have to fix drivers and install new parts every day when they want to use their PC" argument is, everything you said in this paragraph can be easily applied to windows users, except replace "apple store" with "any place that works on PCs".


I also forgot to make the argument that:

If "it just works" and "it's easy to use" then you don't need to sign up for classes or take your system to an Apple Store for repair.
And if you have to take your computer to a store for repair and sign up for classes, then it doesn't "just work" and might not be that easy to use for some after all.

Either you need the support -or- "it just works". The two statements are pretty much mutually exclusive.

I'm not even trying to bash Macs specifically or bash the OP specifically; Macs are computers just like any other computers are. They have their uses, they work most of the time, and when they don't work, you can fix them.

I'm just attacking the notion that Macs are this special computer of awesome that surfs the web, stores your music, does your dishes, and takes your kids to school, and that Windows and Linux require a BS in Computer Engineering and three certifications just to turn them on, so that one can "fiddle with drivers" all day long.

If Macs are so magically perfect creations, where'd this come from?

Screenshot


If the OP wants to come out and say "Macs are fine, Windows is fine, Linux is fine, they're all fine" then I got no beef. But as someone who has spent years fixing problems with all three OSes, I'm going to forever argue the notion that Macs are this perfect invention.

Here's the thing about Apple:

They are these great innovators that come out with really great, really simple ideas. The iPod, iPad, iPhone... they have a brilliant idea, they spend a bunch of money on marketing and they sell it at a premium.

Then someone else copies the idea and sells a comparable product cheaper. Zune, Evo/Droid, no one copying the iPad yet, but give it a year and someone will have a comparable model running Windows at a lower price.

The problem is that after a company introduces a comparable product, Apple REFUSES to lower their prices. They still charge outrageous premiums on their product. Here's another good question: If Apple is so great, why don't they try to be competitive with the rest of the market? They'd sell way more computers if they weren't outrageously high, and "saves you money" is the ONE thing that Mac users have never been able to claim their product can do.

And honestly, the iPod and iPhone have come down A LITTLE, but their computers are still way up there. There are tons of people who own an iPod or an iPhone who would STILL never own an Apple computer because of the outrageous price. If you set aside high end stuff like gaming and photo/video editing, any computer will serve the needs of your average user, so where's the incentive to buy a system that costs three times as much as another? If a $40,000 car and a $120,000 car are just as reliable and just as efficient, but the $120,000 car has an Apple logo on it, why would anyone buy the Apple iCar other than to show off how much money they have to throw away?

Like I said, a Mac is no better a computer than anything else.

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 4:08pm by Mikhalia
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#62 Aug 14 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
no one copying the iPad yet, but give it a year and someone will have a comparable model running Windows at a lower price.
Give it -7 years and HP will have made one in 2003.
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#63 Aug 14 2010 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
no one copying the iPad yet, but give it a year and someone will have a comparable model running Windows at a lower price.
Give it -7 years and HP will have made one in 2003.


I'm pretty sure discontinued products don't sell well :) Good catch though.
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#64 Aug 14 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
no one copying the iPad yet, but give it a year and someone will have a comparable model running Windows at a lower price.
Give it -7 years and HP will have made one in 2003.


I'm pretty sure discontinued products don't sell well :) Good catch though.
It wasn't that great of an idea back then and it still isn't now (niche uses at best), but when Steve Jobs tells his customers to jump they ask how high.
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#65 Aug 14 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
no one copying the iPad yet, but give it a year and someone will have a comparable model running Windows at a lower price.
Give it -7 years and HP will have made one in 2003.


I'm pretty sure discontinued products don't sell well :) Good catch though.
It wasn't that great of an idea back then and it still isn't now (niche uses at best), but when Steve Jobs tells his customers to jump they ask how high.


The amusing part is that the apple.com store refers to the iPad as, quote: "A magical and revolutionary product and an unbelievable price"

Yes, they actually referred to their own product as 'magical'.

The fact that HP thought of it 7 years ago makes it even funnier.

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 6:15pm by Mikhalia
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#66 Aug 14 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still wondering how they convinced the majority of people that they needed 8 gigs(or more) of music & video with them at all times. They've really done a genius job of making people feel they "need" things that are totally unnecessary.
#67 Aug 14 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still wondering how they convinced the majority of people that they needed 8 gigs(or more) of music & video with them at all times. They've really done a genius job of making people feel they "need" things that are totally unnecessary.


That's marketing for ya. Look at infomercials, they do it all the time; convince you that you NEED a product that you've NEVER heard of.
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#68 Aug 14 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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TwistedOwl wrote:
I'm still wondering how they convinced the majority of people that they needed 8 gigs(or more) of music & video with them at all times. They've really done a genius job of making people feel they "need" things that are totally unnecessary.


At least as far as music goes, it's more along the lines of my music library is larger than 8 GB (much larger) and it's a hassle to have to select just a subset of that every time I want to go out. A single device that can hold my entire library means I don't have to waste time deciding what music to take with me.
#69 Aug 14 2010 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still wondering how they convinced the majority of people that they needed 8 gigs(or more) of music & video with them at all times. They've really done a genius job of making people feel they "need" things that are totally unnecessary.


At least as far as music goes, it's more along the lines of my music library is larger than 8 GB (much larger) and it's a hassle to have to select just a subset of that every time I want to go out. A single device that can hold my entire library means I don't have to waste time deciding what music to take with me.


He makes a good point. I have like 30-35 GB of music myself.
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#70 Aug 15 2010 at 4:10 AM Rating: Good
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You've gone way past wondering why anyone would ever need a library of music on them at all times to why it makes total sense to go ahead and bring the entire collection along. See that's exactly what I'm talking about...

Not that it's an evil thing or somethin', I just find it interesting that it became pretty much commonplace for people to bring libraries of music with them where ever they go.
#71 Aug 15 2010 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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I just find it interesting that it became pretty much commonplace for people to bring libraries of music with them where ever they go.


Well with the proliferation of Kindles and other similar devices it will not be too long before people will be bringing the entire library - books, music, magazines, and all - along with them. In this case, I think it is fair to say bigger is better.
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#72 Aug 15 2010 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but at the same time consider how many people use computers with 500+ GB HDs and will never fill 100 of it.
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