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#1 Aug 11 2010 at 5:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Source: http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/10311-sharing-beta-experience-and-ss-is-ok-open-beta-soon/

TLDR: Square-Enix is giving permission to post screenshots (but not video)and share experiences. Does this apply to the Zam forums as well?

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 7:24am by Redyoshi
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This is in regards to a downloadable kit for fansites. This is not a permit to take your own screen shots and distribute them.
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...The Materials you may use also includes in-game screenshots captured by you,...


Edited, Aug 11th 2010 7:34am by Redyoshi
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learned ya real good there =P
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#5 Aug 11 2010 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Redyoshi wrote:
[quote]... The Materials you may use also includes in-game screenshots captured by you, as well as assets and information posted at www.finalfantasyxiv.com and FINAL FANTASY XIV-specific official websites. Accordingly, Square Enix grants you a limited revocable license to use the Materials and you will not receive any ownership rights to the Materials. For purpose of clarification, your use of the Materials on a website may not display any of Square Enix’s trademarked and/or copyrighted materials other than Materials authorized by the most current version of this license, which currently excludes any FINAL FANTASY XIV in-game video, music or vocal tracks captured by you or any third party...

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 7:24am by Redyoshi


As per this paragraph, technically it would mean that we are free to show pictures, but no videos, music, or vocal tracks. In addition, we should be free to disclose "...information posted at www.finalfantasyxiv.com and FINAL FANTASY XIV-specific official websites." Does this mean the beta website as well? Hrm....I NEED A LAWYER!

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According to the folks at FFXIVcore, they have CONFIRMED with S-E reps that this does indeed apply to all beta experiences and screen shots. So you/we are free to discuss any/all beta information. Only videos are off limits currently.
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I'd wait for an official admin ruling on that, I'm sure someone will be along presently to confirm or deny.
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#8 Aug 11 2010 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why need to wait? If SE says its okay then its okay.
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Because I was in IRC with Pikko and Osarion discussing it, and they weren't so sure yet when I left for work.
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#10 Aug 11 2010 at 7:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hmmm.... Waiting anxiously for the ruling on this.
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that's cool.
but in my opinion, SE is not too strict on the NDA.
if you google or youtube "FFXIV", there are tons of information which should be banned.

BUT... I'm not complaining, because I'm not in the beta..............YET!
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All I'm saying is a little wait won't kill anyone. I know they have a lot of stuff to add once the NDA is lifted, so I assume that someone from here will check with SE independently of what any other site is doing to make sure.
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Well the rules here say we're not allowed to discuss or post anything going against the NDA which has been rewritten basically. I don't understand why we shouldn't be allowed to discuss those topics and post screen shots when they are no longer breaking the NDA. Its obvious SE wants information from the beta to be discussed publicly to maybe get feedback from players unfortunate enough to not get into the beta. They will get more input this way and if Alla decides to still keep us in the dark by not allowing what they have now allowed people will just go to another website to discuss it there.
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I hope the NDA is mostly lifted, because there's a lot of information I'd love to get my hands on to start designing around. Really though, with 41 days to go and open beta coming soon, it wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't.
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This agreement should only refer to material obtained through the fan site kit.

In the beta NDA there should be a clause which says that you are only free from that agreement when stated so by SE.

Even if the fan site kitmentions pictures taken by yourself I assume you have not been advised by SE that you are free from the NDA. As such I would have to assume that the NDA supresseds the agreement for the Fan Site Kit.
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The FINAL FANTASY XIV Fankit is comprised of materials that are trademarked and/or copyrighted (“Materials”). The Materials you may use also includes in-game screenshots captured by you, as well as assets and information posted at www.finalfantasyxiv.com and FINAL FANTASY XIV-specific official websites. Accordingly, Square Enix grants you a limited revocable license to use the Materials and you will not receive any ownership rights to the Materials.

This clause, where it specifies that the Materials expand beyond just the fansite material and into in-game screenshots, would seem to specify that it does not apply just to the fansite kit, regardless of the beta NDA.
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Well apparently someone is ****** enough to rate down quite a few of the posts in here Smiley: thumbsup

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Well the rules here say we're not allowed to discuss or post anything going against the NDA which has been rewritten basically. I don't understand why we shouldn't be allowed to discuss those topics and post screen shots when they are no longer breaking the NDA. Its obvious SE wants information from the beta to be discussed publicly to maybe get feedback from players unfortunate enough to not get into the beta. They will get more input this way and if Alla decides to still keep us in the dark by not allowing what they have now allowed people will just go to another website to discuss it there.


This is their site, use their rules. They aren't "keeping you in the dark". I'm sure they're just waiting for clarification from their SE contact. I for one am glad they haven't opened the floodgates yet, what if it is being misinterpreted and SE decides to pull their beta keys from the contest as a result?

I can wait a few more hours.

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OK I think I'm getting the context of this now. I think that Beta testers are still bound to the NDA. However, IF say the press were to receive this information upon taking picture or something or you happen to take pictures of a friends computer and post it. It would not be breaking any rules.

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ScaryTrees wrote:
Well the rules here say we're not allowed to discuss or post anything going against the NDA which has been rewritten basically. I don't understand why we shouldn't be allowed to discuss those topics and post screen shots when they are no longer breaking the NDA. Its obvious SE wants information from the beta to be discussed publicly to maybe get feedback from players unfortunate enough to not get into the beta. They will get more input this way and if Alla decides to still keep us in the dark by not allowing what they have now allowed people will just go to another website to discuss it there.


It's not up to Allah whether or not you can discuss it. It's up to the details of the NDA. If this NDA issue is specific to the Fan Site Kit then bets are off and SE still doesn't want testers talking about it.

The NDA is still in place as far as we're aware. Please wait for the green light from forum Admins (because they have an SE contact that will confirm/deny the rumour).
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Well apparently someone is ****** enough to rate down quite a few of the posts in here


If you're implying that I have decided to rate everyone down because I disagree with one post you are wrong I don't ever bother with those arrows because I could care less about that flawed system in the first place.
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Well apparently someone is ****** enough to rate down quite a few of the posts in here


If you're implying that I have decided to rate everyone down because I disagree with one post you are wrong I don't ever bother with those arrows because I could care less about that flawed system in the first place.


I implied nothing. I said that before I addressed your post. To be fair, someone rated you down too, which I rated back up. Personally I think the arrows should be removed.
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OK I think I'm getting the context of this now. I think that Beta testers are still bound to the NDA. However, IF say the press were to receive this information upon taking picture or something or you happen to take pictures of a friends computer and post it. It would not be breaking any rules.

Right?


That sounds more likely. That usage license looks like their standard license they'd put on all their materials they make available. Lots of times the game would already be released and have no NDA so the "in-game screenshots" line would make more sense. I don't think it suddenly overrides the NDA as we'd all like it to. Could be wrong though...
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Wint wrote:
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Well apparently someone is ****** enough to rate down quite a few of the posts in here


If you're implying that I have decided to rate everyone down because I disagree with one post you are wrong I don't ever bother with those arrows because I could care less about that flawed system in the first place.


I implied nothing. I said that before I addressed your post. To be fair, someone rated you down too, which I rated back up. Personally I think the arrows should be removed.


Well thank you for that but really don't bother let the haters hate if it makes them feel good I don't even pay attention to the ratings anyway, but this is neither the time nor thread for this topic. So /derail off.

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Well apparently someone is ****** enough to rate down quite a few of the posts in here


If you're implying that I have decided to rate everyone down because I disagree with one post you are wrong I don't ever bother with those arrows because I could care less about that flawed system in the first place.


I implied nothing. I said that before I addressed your post. To be fair, someone rated you down too, which I rated back up. Personally I think the arrows should be removed.


Chipped in to fix the rate downs. I do like the rating system, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when I see that people agree with what I'm saying. And if they don't, I just ignore it anyway. Most of the folks here lift each other up from what I've seen.

On topic: Seems nice that we will soon be seeing screenshots here. I aviod the Vids completely, only one I've seen is the Benchmark. I suppose screenshots are not too much of a spoiler. If it's true, I predict ZAM is going to have a influx of new premium accounts!
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Until we see it on the Twitter feed, or one of the admins has confirmation from SE, I'd be hesitant to post anything. That's just me, though ... erring on the side of caution and whatnot.
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KayannaBigGrr wrote:
OK I think I'm getting the context of this now. I think that Beta testers are still bound to the NDA. However, IF say the press were to receive this information upon taking picture or something or you happen to take pictures of a friends computer and post it. It would not be breaking any rules.

Right?


That sounds more likely. That usage license looks like their standard license they'd put on all their materials they make available. Lots of times the game would already be released and have no NDA so the "in-game screenshots" line would make more sense. I don't think it suddenly overrides the NDA as we'd all like it to. Could be wrong though...


The press is never really bound by NDA agreements, unless they signed them. Sites like ZAM cooperate with S-E and don't allow NDA violating information, not because they are legally obligated, but because they want to have a positive relationship. When you are friends with S-E they do things for you, like give you interviews with producers, or beta keys to distribute to your users. For a fan site that kind of access is really good to have.

Admins at FFXIVcore claim that they have it straight from S-E that the NDA no longer applies to pictures and words, just video and music. Either they are lying, or they (or the rep they spoke to) are confused, or this is indeed a green light from S-E. IF it's the green light from S-E, then posting any of this previously off limits information would NOT break the ZAM policy (since it's no longer covered by the NDA), but none of us has word from S-E, just second hand info from the admin of a site that claims to have word from S-E. I doubt that the admin from FFXIVcore is lying, but that doesn't mean that Pikko and co are going to jump on board until they have confirmation from S-E.
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how could i tell one is being rated down other than they are rated down to being "sub-default"
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Just curious, what would Square do if the NDA is broken?

As has been said before, there is leaked information out there on other sites. Allakhazam has a good rep, and from what I have seen, has done a good job regulating what can and cannot be released as per the NDA. But if you break the NDA, what happens? I assume they revoke your Beta access individually... but will Square sue the site you post the information on? Will they sue the poster for damages?

I sure hope this means the NDA has been weakened, because I would love to know more :-)
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Mostaru wrote:
how could i tell one is being rated down other than they are rated down to being "sub-default"


If you're a scholar and have default or sub-default as your post's score, you've been rated down. If a sage, anything below good. If a Guru, also anything below Good (for some sages, anything below excellent, but those are few and far between).

If you're not even a scholar it's tougher to tell. Some people's scores are baselines default or sub-default. A few reach Not Rated, but those are very rare and never get there as baseline (I don't think. Varus in the Asylum could tell you for sure).

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KarlHungis the Stupendous wrote:
The press is never really bound by NDA agreements, unless they signed them. Sites like ZAM cooperate with S-E and don't allow NDA violating information, not because they are legally obligated, but because they want to have a positive relationship. When you are friends with S-E they do things for you, like give you interviews with producers, or beta keys to distribute to your users. For a fan site that kind of access is really good to have.

Admins at FFXIVcore claim that they have it straight from S-E that the NDA no longer applies to pictures and words, just video and music. Either they are lying, or they (or the rep they spoke to) are confused, or this is indeed a green light from S-E. IF it's the green light from S-E, then posting any of this previously off limits information would NOT break the ZAM policy (since it's no longer covered by the NDA), but none of us has word from S-E, just second hand info from the admin of a site that claims to have word from S-E. I doubt that the admin from FFXIVcore is lying, but that doesn't mean that Pikko and co are going to jump on board until they have confirmation from S-E.


Yeah, I'm no expert with that kind of thing, but it seems like you have to make a series of assumptions for that 1 line to mean the NDA is lifted or weakened. In that case waiting sounds smart...
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I'll let Mr. Tom Petty handle this.

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how could i tell one is being rated down other than they are rated down to being "sub-default"


If you're a scholar and have default or sub-default as your post's score, you've been rated down. If a sage, anything below good. If a Guru, also anything below Good (for some sages, anything below excellent, but those are few and far between).

If you're not even a scholar it's tougher to tell. Some people's scores are baselines default or sub-default. A few reach Not Rated, but those are very rare and never get there as baseline (I don't think. Varus in the Asylum could tell you for sure).

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 10:30am by LockeColeMA


thanks, i always think the score under my name was the overall score. didnt know it was per post.
and somebody just rated me down again for asking that questions lol
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Mostaru wrote:

thanks, i always think the score under my name was the overall score. didnt know it was per post.
and somebody just rated me down again for asking that questions lol


Yeah, it's not as easy to figure out the system as it used to be when we had numbers. If you want your actual overall rating (which is Decent as a standard), just make a new post and immediately look at the rating. That's what it is. I think you can also check your account using the bar up at the top of the page.
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Since some one is having fun rating every thing down, some of us are having fun rating every thing up.
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Since some one is having fun rating every thing down, some of us are having fun rating every thing up.


Yes fun either way!

I hope most people are going to wait for Admin to officially say that screenshots/beta info are ok to post.
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Just FYI, I have it on good authority that the NDA language on the beta tester site hasn't changed at all.
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Yeah, it's not as easy to figure out the system as it used to be when we had numbers. If you want your actual overall rating (which is Decent as a standard), just make a new post and immediately look at the rating. That's what it is. I think you can also check your account using the bar up at the top of the page.


Rated down for posting from Gainesville! Go Seminoles! (j/k...about the rating anyway)

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THANKS LockeCole

back to topic.
i believe one of the admins would announce something today regarding this.
Since the game is heading into open beta soon, there is no reasons for SE to still enforcing the NDA.
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Yeah, it's not as easy to figure out the system as it used to be when we had numbers. If you want your actual overall rating (which is Decent as a standard), just make a new post and immediately look at the rating. That's what it is. I think you can also check your account using the bar up at the top of the page.


Rated down for posting from Gainesville! Go Seminoles! (j/k...about the rating anyway)


Smiley: lol

I actually work for the University of Florida, not technically a student. But the Gator culture here is... impressive. Home games, the entire city changes into blue and orange. From before the sun rises, RVs, vans, cars, and tents pop up in every available spot within a few miles from the stadium. And the game itself? I went to University of Delaware, which was "known" for having a good football time for their division, and having around 16,000 students. A pretty big school for a guy like me from a small town. Then I moved to Gainesville... WHOA. One of the largest universities in the country, and almost everyone (and all their relatives and the alumni) pack into The Swamp. The sight of almost 90,000 people on any game day in one place is awe-inspiring. You can hear the roars from the crowd all throughout campus.

Not officially a Gator myself, I can't help but tap into the energy of its culture. As they say here - if you're not a Gator, you're Gator bait!

(Sorry for going off topic, but I really enjoy Gainesville :-P).

Also, my apartment-mate is a Seminoles fan. He antagonize him mercilessly.
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I'm fine with waiting a bit longer so that we can make sure anything we
say or post, is actually ok to do so.

Considering the beta key contest being held i can see why zam is holding
back until they confirm with their SE rep. I'd do the same.

Its the whole don't rock the boat.


Not to mention this will improve our community relationship with SE as well
and maybe they might be more inclined to listening to our input more often.


I hope it works out that more information can be discussed and screenshots
shared. That would be great and really build hype or if the game has issues
will give us the user more information to decide if xiv is the way for us to go.

pikko and ganag keep workin ^^

/thumbs up


btw i went and rated up peeps bc of the random rate down peeps got for no reason :P
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Since the game is heading into open beta soon, there is no reasons for SE to still enforcing the NDA.


I just talked to my friend who is in the beta. The NDA as it is written does NOT say "you can't disclose this information until the open beta starts." It just says you can't disclose the information. Period. Forever. In fact, it includes a line that goes something like this:

BETA TESTER AGREES THAT, EVEN AFTER THE COMMERCIAL VERSION OF THE PRODUCT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, BETA TESTER'S CONFIDENTIALITY OBLIGATIONS SHALL CONTINUE.

It also says that if Square decides to relax the NDA they will post it on the official Beta players' site. It has not been posted.

So technically even after the product ships, closed beta testers won't be allowed to disclose confidential information.
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#43 Aug 11 2010 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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May I ?

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We've confirmed with Square Enix that it's OK for any beta tester to post about their experience from the beta and also to post screenshots (but no video's, as per the materials usage license). Obviously this mean you can go nuts posting beta experience information and screenshots on our site.

What are you waiting for, share your beta experience with us and your screenshots! We recommend using the gallery or attachment system.

http://www.ffxivcore.com
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#44 Aug 11 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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vejiita wrote:
May I ?

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XXXXXXX,

We've confirmed with Square Enix that it's OK for any beta tester to post about their experience from the beta and also to post screenshots (but no video's, as per the materials usage license). Obviously this mean you can go nuts posting beta experience information and screenshots on our site.

What are you waiting for, share your beta experience with us and your screenshots! We recommend using the gallery or attachment system.

http://www.ffxivcore.com


Yes, this was already stated in this very thread. Obviously Pikko and friends are waiting for direct confirmation from S-E, not hearing about it second hand through Zyuu.
#45 Aug 11 2010 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Last I checked this was http://ffxiv.zam.com not http://www.ffxivcore.com. Until one of the ZAM admins confirms that we can talk about beta, we will remain under NDA.
#46 Aug 11 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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For whatever it's worth, Eorzeapedia has also gotten confirmation from S-E that it is okay to post pictures and beta experiences.
http://www.eorzeapedia.com/

Hopefully ZAM gets confirmation soon as well.

Also, it could be worse. Some guy on Bluegartr just got banned for mentioning the fact that other sites have gotten confirmation. Apparently, even mentioning the possibility of screenshots is still against their policy there. :P


Edited, Aug 11th 2010 12:00pm by KarlHungis
#47 Aug 11 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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There was no intention to be disrespectful toward ZAM in my replay btw, please do not take it so. I was simply pointing out that other reputed fan-sites were having confirmation from S-E, that's all :)
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#48 Aug 11 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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I know what you meant. Believe me, I would love for the NDA to be lifted but we haven't heard from any of the admins yet.
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#50 Aug 11 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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How do we know that others sites aren't just taking what the OP posted as "SE has contacted us and says it's cool"? They could be going of just that and twisted it to make it sound like it's ok to post info about the beta.
#51 Aug 11 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Geffe wrote:
How do we know that others sites aren't just taking what the OP posted as "SE has contacted us and says it's cool"? They could be going of just that and twisted it to make it sound like it's ok to post info about the beta.


How do we know we're really alive and not in The Matrix? We don't know, but IMO it doesn't seem reasonable for two different sites to post the new agreement and then later to post an update saying "Yes, we have confirmation from S-E" unless they actually meant that they'd gotten expressed confirmation to a direct inquiry.

Until they get around to it (or S-E gets around to getting back to them) your best bet for info is to go elsewhere on the net where people apparently have asked and gotten confirmation from S-E.


Edit: Whoever's going through and karma bombing all of my posts, please grow up.

Edited, Aug 11th 2010 2:17pm by KarlHungis
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