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#52 Aug 11 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe they were added after I stopped playing FFXI, but I liked the idea of guild tabards from WoW.
#53 Aug 11 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Nothing. Not a **** thing. If you disagree, you are wrong and can go play WoW instead.


Mik, I respect you man.. but this is the kind of thing a rabid mac fanboy would say. The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how much people dislike WoW [and by dislike WoW, I mean dislike alliance b/c the maximum age to join said faction is 12 ] WoW does have a number of useful features to recommend it.

I'm sure I'll get rated down into oblivion for this, but so be it. WoW's method of handling gear, it's ingame AH and mail systems, dungeon instancing/cross realm instancing, mounts summonable at will, being able to SOLO ON MY OWN TIME to max level. . . All decent concepts that could stand to be considered for use in one way or another in other MMOs. [including POSSIBLY FFXIV--obviously it's impossible to say, knowing nothing about FFXIV RTM features].
It's not Blizzard's fault that a good portion of their fanbase are bibbling idiots. But don't just sit there and and play [Mac] fanboy Mik.

You're an enlightened, educated guy. You're better than this ;)







Edited, Aug 11th 2010 3:53pm by seneleron to remove his own anti-alliance fanboyism from the conversation

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#54 Aug 11 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Nothing. Not a **** thing. If you disagree, you are wrong and can go play WoW instead.


Mik, I respect you man.. but this is the kind of thing a rabid mac fanboy would say. The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how much people dislike WoW [and by dislike WoW, I mean dislike alliance b/c the maximum age to join said faction is 12 ] WoW does have a number of useful features to recommend it.

I'm sure I'll get rated down into oblivion for this, but so be it. WoW's method of handling gear, it's ingame AH and mail systems, dungeon instancing/cross realm instancing, mounts summonable at will, being able to SOLO ON MY OWN TIME to max level. . . All decent concepts that could stand to be considered for use in one way or another in other MMOs. [including POSSIBLY FFXIV--obviously it's impossible to say, knowing nothing about FFXIV RTM features.

Don't hate the game for it's player base. It's not Blizzard's fault you rolled alliance. It*IS* Blizzard's fault they implemented faction transferring [not ALL BLiz' moneymaking scams = good ideas] But don't just sit there and and play [Mac] fanboy Mik. You're an enlightened, educated guy. You're better than this ;)


Two of my 80s are Horde before I made my Alliance 80, and several 60-70s on both factions. The retarded fanbase is not limited to one faction; it's on both sides.
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#55 Aug 11 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Two of my 80s are Horde before I made my Alliance 80, and several 60-70s on both factions. The retarded fanbase is not limited to one faction; it's on both sides.


Alright, alright,I'll retract my OWN fanboyish comment from the record regarding factions. My experience was somewhat lucky compared to others
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#56 Aug 11 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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HAHAHA, i was wondering why you would put a post up with things from wow that should be in FF, now it makes scence.
Yeah PvP should stay out of FF games unless, its in a optinal arena type thing (limited level armor and weapons) , would just be a fun once and awhile mini game type thing. but as an overall add in to the game EWWWW no, AS it was stated, FF11 was more about working together then agaisnt, makes a huge diffrence.
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#57 Aug 11 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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I can see how it can come off as rude, but I can also understand the need to vent about people popping up in the forums going "Hey, you know what WoW had that XIV needs? THIS!" It reminds me of a couple of projects back when people would approach my development team and me and say "You know what they did in Halo?" and throw in some ridiculous request. It got to a certain point where the team would interrupt them and just say "This isn't Halo. It's not going to be Halo. If you want to play Halo, GO PLAY HALO." Yes, you are free to express your interest in seeing a feature (or features) of a game, but don't complain when people reject your idea and don't expect all games to operate like one specific game you liked.
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#58 Aug 11 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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Jump!!!!

Oh wait, that's not what this thread is about...

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#59 Aug 11 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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I had no idea PvP was such a hot topic. Never bothered me in FFXI - just didn't use it. Was never taunted or challenged to a duel. There is another topic started about this that is missing a poll. I'm curious how that would turn out.

On topic: Agreed. Also: Bah. Humbug.

Can you tell me why I remember FFXI so incredibly fondly, and yet just seeing the moniker for World of Warcraft makes me shudder in dismay?

Not once while I played that game did I stare in delight and mutter, "Wow!" In FF I was amazed by nearly every single new zone or cutscene I entered - from the first glimpse of Bahamut to the incredible scenery that was Sea. I was never greatly impressed by World of Warcraft and refuse to abbreviate its title as if it is worthy of the acronym.
#60 Aug 11 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Jump!!!!

Oh wait, that's not what this thread is about...

/hops around like a bunny.


O.o..... ~tackles the bunny~ now to make some rabbit stew
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#61 Aug 11 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I can see how it can come off as rude, but I can also understand the need to vent about people popping up in the forums going "Hey, you know what WoW had that XIV needs? THIS!" It reminds me of a couple of projects back when people would approach my development team and me and say "You know what they did in Halo?" and throw in some ridiculous request. It got to a certain point where the team would interrupt them and just say "This isn't Halo. It's not going to be Halo. If you want to play Halo, GO PLAY HALO." Yes, you are free to express your interest in seeing a feature (or features) of a game, but don't complain when people reject your idea and don't expect all games to operate like one specific game you liked.


A lot of games on the market look a lot like WoW. Allods comes to mind as one of the more recent ones, but it's one of many.

The common thread that all WoW lookalikes share? Lots of former WoW players whining in general chat that WoW is better. I could live without that just fine.
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#62 Aug 11 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Jump!!!!

Oh wait, that's not what this thread is about...

/hops around like a bunny.


O.o..... ~tackles the bunny~ now to make some rabbit stew


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#63 Aug 11 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is a tough subject to tackle without it turning into a WoW vs FF argument. Maybe the OP could've been more diplomatic, but it's still a valid point. Not saying that WoW has zero to offer, but that FFXIV doesn't DESPERATELY NEED all these things. To me, that's directed towards certain people complaining about the game and demanding that it be more like WoW. And plenty of those people do exist, not a lot on this forum though. Thinking SE should cater the game to their preferences. Sorry, but that is annoying to me so I completely agree with the OP. Instead of demanding FF turn into every other mmo, just play those other mmos. If PvP is of make-or-break importance, play a game that's centralized around PvP. Makes perfect sense and isn't meant to start a fight. Again, it could've been less aggressive and more diplomatic, but I don't think Mikhalia likes to bother working on his "Sugarcoating" skillups.
#64 Aug 11 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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I had no idea PvP was such a hot topic. Never bothered me in FFXI - just didn't use it. Was never taunted or challenged to a duel. There is another topic started about this that is missing a poll. I'm curious how that would turn out.


I can tell you from past experiencing that PvP in and of itself is not necessarily the problem.

The problem becomes balancing all classes against each other and maintaining a solid viable PvE environment. Even if you CAN do this, you will still have a significant portion of your player base that whine and complain about how broken it is [because not everyone can be "1337"] It's something I'd kinda like to see, but only if it can be implemented properly.. and I'm not sure if that's even possible ;)
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#65 Aug 11 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just ask any endgame WoW PvE player how many times abilities or mechanics of the game had to be nerfed or radically altered because they screwed with PvP too much


Oh crap, I have just completely changed my mind about PvP. I've gone from not really caring to agreeing whole heartedly that PvP should not be included.

Trying to balance every class like it's a fighting game is impossible. The result is that very important PvE abilities get changed drastically. Avoiding nerfing charcters for any reason should be a very high priority.

Adding a PvP system that will surely require changes to multiple classes and abilities mid-game is asking for trouble.

You've made a great point sir!
#66 Aug 11 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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I find it ironic that this thread was made, when just a couple of days ago I posted about how I hoped we wouldn't devolve into fanboyish nonsense like the FFXI forums did. The analogy of "everywhere is burger joints and we're selling tacos" is wrong. It's more one of "we're all burger joints and we prepare ours with different ingredients, cooked in a different way". Yeah, there's definitely something to be gained by being unique from the others. But to pretend that there is not and never will be something we could learn from other MMOs, and in the process improve our own game, is completely asinine and is such a kneejerk response that it cannot be reasoned with. FFXIV isn't the be-all end-all of MMOs. Neither is WoW, or Aion, FFXI, or any other game you want to throw out there. It's an evolving genre, and saying "we don't want to use ANY good aspects from THOSE games because we're SPECIAL!" is frankly stupid.

Mikhalia, you said you don't want to be one of those games where people are always going "WoW does this better". Do you know what all other MMOs, including FFXI, have in common? They're constantly comparing themselves to WoW like they have a massive inferiority complex and can't handle the idea that someone enjoys a different game more. It happens in FFXI, in Eve, in LOTRO. It's like if you went to play Call of Duty, and over voice chat some kid was constantly yelling about how it's better than Halo. Even the kids on Xbox Live recognize how ridiculously annoying that is, not to mention how pointless the comparison is. Why is it so difficult to accept that both games have their positive aspects and both games could stand to learn some things from each other? Do you honestly believe it's impossible to see what Blizzard has done right and utilize that in FFXIV without immediately turning into a WoW clone?
#67 Aug 11 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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The discussion of WoW vs. (insert random game) has been done to death. Nobody cares who is right or who is wrong, who has good points and who doesn't.

The entire purpose of a thread like this is for people to converse and chat and make forum entertainment. Well done Mik! =D
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I'm sure I'll get rated down into oblivion for this, but so be it. WoW's method of handling gear, it's ingame AH and mail systems, dungeon instancing/cross realm instancing, mounts summonable at will, being able to SOLO ON MY OWN TIME to max level. . . All decent concepts that could stand to be considered for use in one way or another in other MMOs. [including POSSIBLY FFXIV--obviously it's impossible to say, knowing nothing about FFXIV RTM features].
It's not Blizzard's fault that a good portion of their fanbase are bibbling idiots. But don't just sit there and and play [Mac] fanboy Mik.



1) What do you mean wow's method of handling gear?

2) It has a good ah system yes, SE is trying something different, lets see how it works. Although I liked FFXI's ah history greatly, really helped on pricing items (and it was obvious when someone was tryign to rig it)

3) How is its mail different from other mmo's? FFXI's was clunky, but I'm sure it XIV's will be improved over that

4) There are some instances in XIV

5) Cross realm I disagree with, its detroys server community (wow's community sucks so bad no one cares anyways) and in FFXI and I assume XIV as well, the community will be a very important aspect. Yes it makes some things easier, but you need to think about the price it comes with as well.

6) Mounts summonable depends on the setup of the game, we all know WoW makes everything immediately accessible for zero trouble, but not every game is made for instant gratification. XI's system made some travel pretty bad I can agree with, but we should see XIV's landscape and travel (I'm not in beta so I wouldn't know) before jumping to conclusions on this. The adventure isnt as much when you simply charge past everything on your super fast mount, I remember a lot of fun/danger in XI having a party trying to sneak through to a destination. That adventure made a much bigger impression on me and I think fondly back to it.

7) From my understanding, soloing will be possible, but grouping better.

For the record I partially blame blizzard for making most of their fanbase babbling idiots, because they do nothing but enable them.

Rampant mods to ensure every encounter is jokeified, all challenges nulled and thought processes invalid. You can change your name, you gender, your race, your faction, your server, there is no responsibility in decisions, and if you make everyone hate you, just go to another server problem solved. Why care what anyone thinks when everything but raids are cross realm, you probably wont be playing with them anyways, hey hes on another sever so why care to be nice to him probably wont see him ever again.

They are idiots and asshats because blizzard offers no incentive NOT to be.
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Lol! So much Wow-hate here! If Wow is so bad, then why do so many games feel the need to compare themselves to it? I, for one, will still love my Wow, and my Runes of Magic, and will also welcome this new game with open arms and enjoy it for it's MMORPG entertainment value. I'm not really into PVP, but Wow PVP didn't really bother me - I just don't play on a PVP realm if I don't want to do PVP. I do enjoy the fun simple dueling though, with either friends or enemies.

I do like the idea of a pvp-less game however. I think that FFXIV should stick to it's guns and go without it if that's what they prefer. I will still play it. If someone is ****-bent on PVP and won't play this game without it, then that is just fine with me because people who are like that usually are the agressive, angry, whiney type anyway. Not to say all PVP'ers are that way, just the people to throw such a tantrum over finding a game that won't include it. If you want PVP, got play a PVP game. Otherwise, play this game for it's own value and don't worry about what it "doesn't" have.

And if you don't like Wow, then just don't play it! That doesn't mean those of us who do like it shouldn't play, so don't try to make it out to be an awful game, just because you don't like it! We all have different tastes!

I will be glad to see this game as a fresh new fun adventure that I can learn to play and hopefully won't have to listen to too many people whining about it or comparing it to Wow when ingame.

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#70 Aug 11 2010 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Puppy1 wrote:
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Jump!!!!

Oh wait, that's not what this thread is about...

/hops around like a bunny.


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Ill get you next time BunnyGadget! NEXT TIME!!!!!!
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#71 Aug 11 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Those who whine comparing it to wow ingame or often (not always but usually) those leaving wow, complaining a game isn't wow, then going back to wow. I'm glad your looking forward to something new and wont be joining those, wish more wow players had that mindset.

I played WoW a long time myself and enjoyed it, but its grown old for me and I disagree with many of the directions blizzard took (which is obvious I assume) so its really annoying when someone walks in and claims X WoW features NEED to be in this game, and half of them are those things, or related to them.

No one is trying to say "dont play wow because I dont like it" but rather "dont bring wow over here, keep it in wow".
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I'm sure I'll get rated down into oblivion for this, but so be it. WoW's method of handling gear, it's ingame AH and mail systems, dungeon instancing/cross realm instancing, mounts summonable at will, being able to SOLO ON MY OWN TIME to max level. . . All decent concepts that could stand to be considered for use in one way or another in other MMOs. [including POSSIBLY FFXIV--obviously it's impossible to say, knowing nothing about FFXIV RTM features].


Here's the problem in a nut shell. Every single one of those things you mentioned also happens to be some thing that (some) people actually like about FFXI.

For example, in my opinion, the way that FFXI handles gear is 100^1000 x Infinity better than the way that WoW handles gear. I HATE the way WoW handles gear. I think that gear in WoW is the most shallow and meaningless that I've seen in any game since Guild Wars (and in Guild Wars that was a deliberate choice to facilitate PvP). I think it's the worst in WoW because past a certain point, new gear is the entire point of the game, and yet all of it is going to be obsolete within six months of the time you obtained it. You spend all or most of your time pursuing stuff that you know, flat out from the moment you get it, you're going to replace soon.

Now I don't think my viewpoint is the majority viewpoint. If you took a poll of all MMO players who were at least open to the idea of playing FFXIV and you have them the choice of the two systems they'd probably choose WoW. Why? because the majority of MMO players play WoW, so obviously that's what they prefer or in some cases, it's the only thing they know. Plus, WoW has been deliberately crafted to appeal to the majority of players.

And you could do this for every single feature. Do you want to mainly solo to the level cap or mainly group? Majority would pick solo. Do you want PvP or no PvP? Majority would pick PvP. And so on, and on. And if you designed your game that way, putting in all the most popular features, then in the end do you know what you'd have? A WoW clone. Evey single feature of your game would be what the majority prefers, which on paper would make your game the most superior game possible. And yet, no one would play it for long, because if people want to play WoW they'll just play WoW.

What people really want is a game that takes all the stuff they liked about previous games and keeps that stuff, and throws out all the rest and replaces it with cool new stuff, or stuff that's been proven successful elsewhere. We're all guilty of it. I want WoW-like mouse controls. You want WoW like gear or soloing. The problem is we're not all going to agree on what to keep and what to get rid of. If we simply listen to the "majority" on each feature we'll wind up with a game that no one wants.

That's the source of fear when it comes to WoW. Almost no one comes here saying "FFXIV has to be WoW' but virtually every one has an idea of one or two ways that it should be the same, and if S-E listened to all of those ideas then they'd just end up remaking WoW.

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Here's the problem in a nut shell. Every single one of those things you mentioned also happens to be some thing that (some) people actually like about FFXI.

For example, in my opinion, the way that FFXI handles gear is 100^1000 x Infinity better than the way that WoW handles gear. I HATE the way WoW handles gear. I think that gear in WoW is the most shallow and meaningless that I've seen in any game since Guild Wars (and in Guild Wars that was a deliberate choice to facilitate PvP). I think it's the worst in WoW because past a certain point, new gear is the entire point of the game, and yet all of it is going to be obsolete within six months of the time you obtained it. You spend all or most of your time pursuing stuff that you know, flat out from the moment you get it, you're going to replace soon.

Now I don't think my viewpoint is the majority viewpoint. If you took a poll of all MMO players who were at least open to the idea of playing FFXIV and you have them the choice of the two systems they'd probably choose WoW. Why? because the majority of MMO players play WoW, so obviously that's what they prefer or in some cases, it's the only thing they know. Plus, WoW has been deliberately crafted to appeal to the majority of players.

And you could do this for every single feature. Do you want to mainly solo to the level cap or mainly group? Majority would pick solo. Do you want PvP or no PvP? Majority would pick PvP. And so on, and on. And if you designed your game that way, putting in all the most popular features, then in the end do you know what you'd have? A WoW clone. Evey single feature of your game would be what the majority prefers, which on paper would make your game the most superior game possible. And yet, no one would play it for long, because if people want to play WoW they'll just play WoW.

What people really want is a game that takes all the stuff they liked about previous games and keeps that stuff, and throws out all the rest and replaces it with cool new stuff, or stuff that's been proven successful elsewhere. We're all guilty of it. I want WoW-like mouse controls. You want WoW like gear or soloing. The problem is we're not all going to agree on what to keep and what to get rid of. If we simply listen to the "majority" on each feature we'll wind up with a game that no one wants.


You are SO much better with words than I can ever hope to be, you also put it together in a completely non-offensive way too (which is why I seem to get defaulted a lot I think >.>). I was pretty much thinking the same thing but I never know how to convey it correctly >.< I guess I try to go into every detail I can and overcomplicate/opinionate what I'm saying.
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You are SO much better with words than I can ever hope to be, you also put it together in a completely non-offensive way too (which is why I seem to get defaulted a lot I think >.>). I was pretty much thinking the same thing but I never know how to convey it correctly >.< I guess I try to go into every detail I can and overcomplicate/opinionate what I'm saying.


It could be that, or maybe The People just love 8-bit Kefka.

Thank you for the very kind words though.
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Ahh the short sightedness always amazes me. The WOW discussions always amaze me as well. There have always been MMOs better then WOW out there. The problem is WOW has been so many MMO players first and/or only MMO that they are to ignorent to that fact to look past it or explore other and/or better MMOs. I literally find it laughable when so many players get hung up on WOW as a comparison. Just because it draws a crowd doesn't make it even near the best. Car accident draw a crowd, Midget wrestling draws a crowd, the bearded lady draws a crowd, people killed in freak accidents draws a crowd, women having personal relations with animals and recording it for the internet draws a crowd, WOW draws a crowd (see the similarities here), none of this means these are the best attractions to see.
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You are SO much better with words than I can ever hope to be, you also put it together in a completely non-offensive way too (which is why I seem to get defaulted a lot I think >.>). I was pretty much thinking the same thing but I never know how to convey it correctly >.< I guess I try to go into every detail I can and overcomplicate/opinionate what I'm saying.


It could be that, or maybe The People just love 8-bit Kefka.

Thank you for the very kind words though.


Lol no it was the words, but Kefka dosnt hurt either. ;) long as you keep away from the 3 statues...
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I know I am fairly new here so I risk the wrath of the community by challenging someone held in such high esteem as Mikhalia but here goes......(draws deep breath).

I would personally like to see the control method (mouse and keyboard) from WoW as an option in game.

That said, you could argue that the control method comes not from WoW but from just about every other game of this ilk released in the last 6/7 years. I originally liked the FFXI control method so I understand FFXI oldbies preferring it as they are used to it - but I am a firm believer that people should be able to make their own choices on how to play rather than have it forced on them.

Also, the option to do something solo (anything) might be good for those times when you dont have an hour to sit in Jeuno waiting for a party invite - but then, again, WoW did not invent solo play and went way to far with it.

So I guess there was nothing ground breaking WoW did that I would like to see implemented in FFXIV, but I would prefer not to cut off my nose to spite my face - WoW did get some things right (cant believe i said that out loud).
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Ahh the short sightedness always amazes me. The WOW discussions always amaze me as well. There have always been MMOs better then WOW out there. The problem is WOW has been so many MMO players first and/or only MMO that they are to ignorent to that fact to look past it or explore other and/or better MMOs. I literally find it laughable when so many players get hung up on WOW as a comparison. Just because it draws a crowd doesn't make it even near the best. Car accident draw a crowd, Midget wrestling draws a crowd, the bearded lady draws a crowd, people killed in freak accidents draws a crowd, women having personal relations with animals and recording it for the internet draws a crowd, WOW draws a crowd (see the similarities here), none of this means these are the best attractions to see.


Comparing WoW to midget wrestling? How dare you belittle the sport in such a fashion!
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I know I am fairly new here so I risk the wrath of the community by challenging someone held in such high esteem as Mikhalia but here goes......(draws deep breath).

I would personally like to see the control method (mouse and keyboard) from WoW as an option in game.

That said, you could argue that the control method comes not from WoW but from just about every other game of this ilk released in the last 6/7 years. I originally liked the FFXI control method so I understand FFXI oldbies preferring it as they are used to it - but I am a firm believer that people should be able to make their own choices on how to play rather than have it forced on them.

Also, the option to do something solo (anything) might be good for those times when you dont have an hour to sit in Jeuno waiting for a party invite - but then, again, WoW did not invent solo play and went way to far with it.

So I guess there was nothing ground breaking WoW did that I would like to see implemented in FFXIV, but I would prefer not to cut off my nose to spite my face - WoW did get some things right (cant believe i said that out loud).


Heh, all valid opinions are respected. as long as theres basis behind them. And you have that so no wrath for you :P. Fortunatly FFxiv will have a good solo aspect to it. I hope howver it does keep with the Type of players FFXi had.
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#80 Aug 11 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I know I am fairly new here so I risk the wrath of the community by challenging someone held in such high esteem as Mikhalia but here goes......(draws deep breath).

I would personally like to see the control method (mouse and keyboard) from WoW as an option in game.

That said, you could argue that the control method comes not from WoW but from just about every other game of this ilk released in the last 6/7 years. I originally liked the FFXI control method so I understand FFXI oldbies preferring it as they are used to it - but I am a firm believer that people should be able to make their own choices on how to play rather than have it forced on them.

Also, the option to do something solo (anything) might be good for those times when you dont have an hour to sit in Jeuno waiting for a party invite - but then, again, WoW did not invent solo play and went way to far with it.

So I guess there was nothing ground breaking WoW did that I would like to see implemented in FFXIV, but I would prefer not to cut off my nose to spite my face - WoW did get some things right (cant believe i said that out loud).


Several good points, controls should always be customizable so a player can find a set they feel comfortable with, we spend a long time playing these games so we should be able to find our own "smooth" for how we move and control our characters.

I believe the solo issue has already sounded like it was resolved but we won't know for sure until we play the game (or have NDA lifted) I hope its a solo is possible but grouping better setup.
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I know I am fairly new here so I risk the wrath of the community by challenging someone held in such high esteem as Mikhalia but here goes......(draws deep breath).


It's actually encouraged to disagree with Mik, as long as you write in the style of a pirate.

Savvy?
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Yarr - Savvy!
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#83 Aug 11 2010 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Be sure to bring plenty of rum as well...
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Yarr - Savvy!


It's a good thing you didn't say any thing more complicated than that. I took three years of Pirate in high school, but all I can remember is "Savvy" and "Yarrr, it be drivin' me nuts!"
#85 Aug 11 2010 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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All jokes about WoW aside. One of the things I did like about it was the ability to make money doing daily quests. Farming mobs for items gets really boring to me and the AH fluctuated so much that I couldn't always make a consistent amount of cash. I'm not saying SE needs to do it exactly like WoW, but I would like to have an alternative means to making money, even if its not large amount.
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Yarr, it be easy to lose ya skills when yer away from the deck.

I also didnt like just how hard it was to make gil in FFXI. Not because it was hard - I am happy to put in the effort, because it created a culture where gil buying was acceptable and that led to overcamping of NM's etc. The economy was screwed by people with RL money who could just buy anything that others had to work very hard to get.

If you cant keep out the gil sellers - make it easier to make gil!
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spot the newb who hasnt worked out how to quote yet!! :-\
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#88 Aug 11 2010 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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Be sure to bring plenty of rum as well...


A pirate after me own heart. Aarrrg! Rummmdili-icious!
#89 Aug 11 2010 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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spot the newb who hasnt worked out how to quote yet!! :-\


I had a hard time with this as well. First hit "Reply to Thread" above the post. Then hit the "(Quote Original)" link. It's next to "Markup:".

(Not the button that says "Quote".) It's obvious, right? No, not really.
#90 Aug 11 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Commander Crissaegrim wrote:
Be sure to bring plenty of rum as well...


A pirate after me own heart. Aarrrg! Rummmdili-icious!


Well either that or a tankard of ale! Smiley: nod
#91 Aug 11 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Wrong. The cross-server messaging that Blizzard added a few months ago is EASILY one of my favorite features ever. I don't play WoW anymore, but when I saw that they added that, I thought to myself "Crap if only they had that when I was playing, that would have been super cool!"

I had a lot of friends irl that played WoW on other servers and stuff, and I actually ran into that when I played XI a lot too. It would have been nice to be able to chat with them without having to alt tab out of my window. :)
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RufuSwho wrote:
HallieXIV wrote:
spot the newb who hasnt worked out how to quote yet!! :-\


I had a hard time with this as well. First hit "Reply to Thread" above the post. Then hit the "(Quote Original)" link. It's next to "Markup:".

(Not the button that says "Quote".) It's obvious, right? No, not really.


Yay - Now I feel so clever!
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#93Oenos, Posted: Aug 11 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) tl;dr
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I think people people shouldn't compare because to me FFXI is still better than WOW story line is strong and balances out more than WoW, look at wow you always have to aim for gear to get a good party or raids other than FFXI where it mattered but not that much everyone enjoyed their groups and didn't cry about **** like in wow or worry about ninjas. People say FFXI sucks because the gameplay and the way graphics look compare to WoW, well no **** look how long ago FFXI was released and look at WoW and if u played FFXI from the beginning and stuck with it I guarantee you'll enjoy it more than LVLing a **** load of toons to 80 and have to figure out what guild to join that will let you in on crap instead of getting blues.

FFXIV will dominate WoW if you like playing WoW stick with it and don't compare but everyone who already knows what their expecting from FFXIV they no this game will be more than getting gear it will be an adventure.
#95 Aug 11 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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To be honest, I always thought the phasing tech. blizzard implemented in their MMO was a nice touch. For all I know SE might have already done something similar to this in XIV. (Don't know if you'd count leve mobs). But for a game with a very rich and immersive story like the one XIV is going to have, something like phasing would allow for some really interesting gameplay.

Not sure if there was another MMO that did this before blizzard or not. But I always thought that phasing would be a nice touch on MMO's where the world and story are suppose to be changing with your actions. (ie Clear the path so we can venture forth to 'somenamed' city and setup shop).
#96 Aug 11 2010 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't agree Mikhalia

I want to see newer features and some of them *might* be wow related. That doesn't mean the game has to be a wow clone or that it will detract from it's awesomeness.

Example:

I like 20-40 man raids. People love that. Super big bosses, team work.
I like PVP. I like to duel.
I hate wow but love FF.

so why can't I bake the cake and eat it too?

A popular ~new~ feature doesn't mean it has to be left out. The franchise can evolve to provide todays expectations too.



Dynamis is like a 20-40 man raid. FFXI had it and I'm sure there will be something similar in FFXIV. I'll bet something similar to campaigns will be added as well.

Missions and AF required team work in FFXI. Im sure these will be implemented also later on.

Ballista is a form of PVP in FFXI, I do not know specifics on anything FFXIV, but I'm sure it will be implemented in some form if ppl want it. See the thread on PVP.
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Wrong. The cross-server messaging that Blizzard added a few months ago is EASILY one of my favorite features ever. I don't play WoW anymore, but when I saw that they added that, I thought to myself "Crap if only they had that when I was playing, that would have been super cool!"

I had a lot of friends irl that played WoW on other servers and stuff, and I actually ran into that when I played XI a lot too. It would have been nice to be able to chat with them without having to alt tab out of my window. :)


I don't mind cross-server messaging, but I do, however, have a problem with the idea of only being able to do it by having to give your friends the ability to see, know, etc. everything you and any character you play is doing at any time they are online. I enjoy playing by myself sometimes without being bothered. If your "friends" are able to see any and all characters you have and know every time you're online, that can be annoying. I like my privacy! Lol! I can say that is one new feature they added to Wow that I was not happy with, but like with anything I don't like, I just don't use it. It certainly didn't ruin the game for me though. Like I said before, we all have our own opinions. I respect that you like a feature that I dislike - it's just a matter of taste, right? =)

I haven't really read enough and I'm not familiar enough with FF to know how it generally has worked in the past, but I do hope it will have plenty of solo questing to do and I also hope they do give us the ability to use the mouse for character control. I understand how the people already used to the game and its controls want it to still work that way, but it would be nice if they could also accommodate those of us used to controlling our characters otherwise. I tried the FFXI online and had great difficulty with the controls. If the graphics had been more up to date I might have stuck with it and gotten used to them, but the older graphics just didn't look right on my higher graphic based computer. I'm really looking forward to the great looking graphics of the XIV one.

I do like grouping to go up against a big boss in a dungeon or where ever, but I don't like being "forced" to group in a game. I'm hoping that this game isn't making it to where you absolutely have no choice but to group in order to progress levels. I enjoy the commradery (sp???)of guilds and raids and such, but I do also enjoy being able to reach some goals by myself without having to rely on a group to accomplish them.

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This thread is dumb.
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Nothing. Not a **** thing. If you disagree, you are wrong and can go play WoW instead.


This is like being rickrolled, only for FFXIV. Call it WoWrolling!
#101 Aug 11 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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For example, in my opinion, the way that FFXI handles gear is 100^1000 x Infinity better than the way that WoW handles gear. I HATE the way WoW handles gear. I think that gear in WoW is the most shallow and meaningless that I've seen in any game since Guild Wars (and in Guild Wars that was a deliberate choice to facilitate PvP). I think it's the worst in WoW because past a certain point, new gear is the entire point of the game, and yet all of it is going to be obsolete within six months of the time you obtained it. You spend all or most of your time pursuing stuff that you know, flat out from the moment you get it, you're going to replace soon.


When you wait a year in line constantly attending farming events for a piece of gear, and get passed over when it's your turn for a just joined initiate because they happen to be just a little bit closer to Sea than you are, you can begin to appreciate WoW's much less complicated gear drop system.

When you spend hours staring at a website thinking about buying gil because some @(#&%$^&'s are selling a piece of gear that you need for 3+ million because you keep getting turned down for invites for not citing said gear in your sig.

When you spend a year on and off trying to catch NM Spawn "X" to finally obtain that one piece of gear, only to be constantly outcamped/outclassed/outpulled, or have someone with a claim/teleport hack grab it on a constant basis.

Granted, this is all FFXI. I am very HOPEFUL that FFXIV is not the same way. But you can't tell me that FFXI's gear system wasn't insanely broken. Actually, you can tell me, but I've experienced enough rage/hate/drama/blahblahblah that I'll never listen. At least with WoW gear is halfway easy to obtain, and due to it's "bind on pickup" function on endgame gear there was no mad collection to loot in order to post back up on sale for massive amounts of money. Yes, there ARE some drops or crafts that can be sold that way, but those are typically the exceptions, not the rule.

This is not to say that WoW's loot system doesn't have it's issues as well, but at least you don't have to stop playing for a month to farm new gear before you feel you're "allowed" to LFG again, ya know? ;)

And as for the point WoW endgame being all about the gear [And I didn't realize everyone was running dynamis/sky/sea just for fun] The gear is the means to the end. The primary goal was.. .


MAXXXX DPSSSSSSSZORZZZZZZ!!!!!!11111111 ;)

Totally agree with the obsolete gear @ expansion time comment tho, btw






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