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#1 Aug 12 2010 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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But before I ordered it I wanted to make sure that you guys approved it.

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MEMORY 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
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I think that's all that really matter.

Will this run FFXIV well?
Can I expect decent results?
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video card could be upgraded at some point. power supply depending, rest is okay.
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#3 Aug 12 2010 at 10:29 PM Rating: Decent
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You can try running the benchmark here: http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/media/benchmark/na/

and see how it might be. Anything over 3000 means your rig will run "decently".

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i think you misunderstood him, he didnt order the parts yet.

My bad. :(

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 10:07am by RayneZ
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You can try running the benchmark here: http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/media/benchmark/na/

and see how it might be. Anything over 3000 means your rig will run "decently".


i think you misunderstood him, he didnt order the parts yet.

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i was also considering the i7 870 lynnfield too, but i figure out i will get i7 930 bloomfield for the same price.
i've read a link that provided by another ZAMer and decided to go with the 920/930

you might use my benchmark score for reference
i have a i7 930
win7 ultimate
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and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low
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Get a stronger GPU. By doing so, you may need to increase the power supply to 700 or so for a midrange card.
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Everything but the GPU looks fine. Go for a GeForece 400 series like the 460 or a Radeon 5770 or higher.

Are you talking about a desktop or a laptop here?
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SilentfoottheSilent wrote:
But before I ordered it I wanted to make sure that you guys approved it.

PROCESSORS Intel® Core™ i7-860 processor(8MB Cache, 2.80GHz)
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MEMORY 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
VIDEO CARD nVIDIA GeForce G310 512MB DDR3

I think that's all that really matter.

Will this run FFXIV well?
Can I expect decent results?


On LGA 1156 you need to make sure that your memory is 1.5v and NOT 1.6v

Also you need a better video card.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 5:32am by Lobivopis
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Get a i7 930 and a 5870. If you get anything Nvidia, get a GTX 480. If you get the 930, get some 1066 MHz Tri Channel memory 1.5v, cause you can't go any higher unless you plan to overclock. If you plan to overclock, 1600 MHz memory is decent. GSkill and Corsair are good memory brands. Get at least a 650W PSU, 750W is good. Corsair and XFX are good PSU brands.
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#9 Aug 13 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Mostaru wrote:
you might use my benchmark score for reference
i have a i7 930
win7 ultimate
6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
GTX470
and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low


That actually sounds a bit low for what you've got there. I have:
2.8GH i7-860
win7 premium
16GB DDR3 1333 RAM (I know its too much RAM, but meh, retail system.)
ATI Radeon 5850

I got 4000 on high, 5600 on low. Except for the excess of RAM (though it is 1333 compared to 1600) your system should beat mine in everything. Perhaps its the non-optimized nvidia drivers?
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Get a i7 930 and a 5870. If you get anything Nvidia, get a GTX 480. If you get the 930, get some 1066 MHz Tri Channel memory 1.5v, cause you can't go any higher unless you plan to overclock. If you plan to overclock, 1600 MHz memory is decent. GSkill and Corsair are good memory brands. Get at least a 650W PSU, 750W is good. Corsair and XFX are good PSU brands.


I have an i7 930 and OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
when i plugged in the RAM, BIOS show them as 1066, should i keep them at 1066 or should i change it to 1600 in BIOS?
i'm not overclocking any of my parts though
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and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low


WHAT

I'd be livid if I paid all that money for a 470 and got such low scores. /:
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Yes you can increase the memory multiplier in the BIOS to 1600.
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#13 Aug 13 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low


WHAT

I'd be livid if I paid all that money for a 470 and got such low scores. /:


Well according to the benchmark ATI runs better but that may change when Nvidia releases a new driver. Also remember the 5xxx series from ATI has been out way longer and has much more mature drivers. Besides I don't trust benchmarks as much as I trust actual fps from within the game.
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Oenos wrote:
Yes you can increase the memory multiplier in the BIOS to 1600.


yeah i've changed that.
but the question is, should i?

let me go search EVGA for the new driver for my GTX470

Mikhalia said my benchmark scores seems right for my rig though
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I'd be livid if I paid all that money for a 470 and got such low scores. /:


That does seem a tad low. A stock GTX 470 should be able to break 3500 on high, over 4000 when overclocked.
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yeah i've changed that.
but the question is, should i?


Yes you can, essentially it's a bit of overclocking, but in reality it probably won't do a whole lot for you unless you are also OC'ing your CPU.
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Threx wrote:
w34v3r wrote:
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and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low


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I'd be livid if I paid all that money for a 470 and got such low scores. /:


That does seem a tad low. A stock GTX 470 should be able to break 3500 on high, over 4000 when overclocked.


:( then what should i do? i dont really want to overclock
i just want to get what i paid for!
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Mostaru wrote:
Threx wrote:
w34v3r wrote:
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and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low


WHAT

I'd be livid if I paid all that money for a 470 and got such low scores. /:


That does seem a tad low. A stock GTX 470 should be able to break 3500 on high, over 4000 when overclocked.


:( then what should i do? i dont really want to overclock
i just want to get what i paid for!
help!

Personally i dont see a problem with what you have as it. What is your power supply though?
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Mostaru wrote:

:( then what should i do? i dont really want to overclock
i just want to get what i paid for!
help!


The only thing you can do apart from OCing is wait for more optimized drivers. >.>
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That's really low for a 930/gtx470. I've seen people get 3k with a lesser card.
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For a start that's a 1156 chip, make sure you have the corresponding motherboard. (i7s come in two different socket types 1156 and 1136)
Next that means you probably can't have 6GB of RAM as a dual channel would normally be in pairs (i've never seen a 6GB configuration for LGA 1156).
If its sold as a 6gb pack then that's normally tri channel RAM for use on 1136 socket boards (3x2gb)

No idea what that GPU is, sounds like a mobile GPU or onboard even. Budget permitting would say at least a GTX 4xx or HD 58xx series card. (Ugh, looked it up and it's on par with a 5450 - complete waste of time and does not meet stated minimum requirements.) There is an updated GPU hierarchy list on tomshardware.com, look for an article on "best graphics cards for the money: august 2010". Requirements state geforce 9600 or HD 2900 or higher. Find those in the article and look for cards above that.

Lastly decent PSU is a must and a good quality one at that. If you cheap out on it it could potentially ruin your components. Run a search for recommended ones for the gear you decide on.

p.s. not sure why someone mentioned not to get 1.6v ram for LGA 1156 as most boards can take up to 1.65v - check the motherboard specs for more info.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 6:57pm by Kreisash
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Personally i dont see a problem with what you have as it. What is your power supply though?


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Threx wrote:
The only thing you can do apart from OCing is wait for more optimized drivers. >.>


I just went to Nvidia and upgraded the latest one.
im gonna run the benchmark again
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For a start that's a 1156 chip, make sure you have the corresponding motherboard. (i7s come in two different socket types 1156 and 1136)
Next that means you probably can't have 6GB of RAM as a dual channel would normally be in pairs (i've never seen a 6GB configuration for LGA 1156).
If its sold as a 6gb pack then that's normally tri channel RAM for use on 1136 socket boards (3x2gb) [/sm][/i]


I think you might mean 1156 and 1366 sockets.
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Threx wrote:
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and scored 3200 on high, 4300 on low


WHAT

I'd be livid if I paid all that money for a 470 and got such low scores. /:


That does seem a tad low. A stock GTX 470 should be able to break 3500 on high, over 4000 when overclocked.


1245 high

2186 low

SLI GTS 8800 640s (without SLI enabled in the bench)

2893 high

3555 low

GTX 470 w/8800 GTS 640 PhysX

Both with a Q6700 and Asus Striker II Extreme
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For a start that's a 1156 chip, make sure you have the corresponding motherboard. (i7s come in two different socket types 1156 and 1136)
Next that means you probably can't have 6GB of RAM as a dual channel would normally be in pairs (i've never seen a 6GB configuration for LGA 1156).
If its sold as a 6gb pack then that's normally tri channel RAM for use on 1136 socket boards (3x2gb) [/sm][/i]


I think you might mean 1156 and 1366 sockets.


FYI there are a few boards (Workstation boards to be specific, Asus has a pretty good one for gamers, something Supercomputer WS for 1156) that will take 6 DIMMs, so if the OP has 6x2gb (and I know the Asus WS board for the non-1336 boards at least supports 6 dimms at random GBs)... just saying ^.^
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Mostaru wrote:
Puppy1 wrote:
Personally i dont see a problem with what you have as it. What is your power supply though?


OCZ GAME X STREAM 850WATT

Threx wrote:
The only thing you can do apart from OCing is wait for more optimized drivers. >.>


I just went to Nvidia and upgraded the latest one.
im gonna run the benchmark again


Ran the benchmark again with updated driver:

5296 low
3424 high

a little improvement but not much on the high res :(
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Ran the benchmark again with updated driver:

5296 low
3424 high

a little improvement but not much on the high res :(

That's really weird. I'm pretty sure Low = mostly CPU dependent while High = mostly GPU dependent; you should still be scoring higher than that on High...

Still, that's a HUGE improvement over your last score (low res-wise).
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Ran the benchmark again with updated driver:

5296 low
3424 high

a little improvement but not much on the high res :(

That's really weird. I'm pretty sure Low = mostly CPU dependent while High = mostly GPU dependent; you should still be scoring higher than that on High...

Still, that's a HUGE improvement over your last score (low res-wise).


help a bro out? :(
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That is probably about right for a 470 and a 2.8 ghz 930.

I have 3.5 ghz 930 and a 5870 and get 4800 on high.

If you OC your CPU, your benchmark will go up.

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Mostaru wrote:
Oenos wrote:
Get a i7 930 and a 5870. If you get anything Nvidia, get a GTX 480. If you get the 930, get some 1066 MHz Tri Channel memory 1.5v, cause you can't go any higher unless you plan to overclock. If you plan to overclock, 1600 MHz memory is decent. GSkill and Corsair are good memory brands. Get at least a 650W PSU, 750W is good. Corsair and XFX are good PSU brands.


I have an i7 930 and OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
when i plugged in the RAM, BIOS show them as 1066, should i keep them at 1066 or should i change it to 1600 in BIOS?
i'm not overclocking any of my parts though


1066 is the stock memory speed for the X58 chipset. It boots at that speed because there is a chance it might not boot at a higher speed. Remember that anything over 1066 on LGA 1366 is overclocking the memory.


And yes, the technically inferior LGA 1156 socket uses a stock memory speed of 1333. That's why an i7 860 is basically identical in performance* to an i7 930 despite using dual channel memory vs the 930's triple channel memory. It's got one less memory channel but makes it up somewhat with faster memory Although it's also partly because triple channel memory was overkill on quad core CPUs anyway. You really only need that for 6 or more cores.


*Before anyone starts flaming, yes the X58 chipset is better than the P55. But if you don't care about SLI and Crossfire and don't need or want 6Gb SATA 3.0 then an LGA 1156 system will perform virtually identically to an LGA 1366 system for you for less money.



EDIT: i7 870 is now selling for the same price as the i7 930 at Newegg.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 11:27pm by Lobivopis
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That does seem a tad low. A stock GTX 470 should be able to break 3500 on high, over 4000 when overclocked.


2893 high
3555 low

GTX 470 w/8800 GTS 640 PhysX

Both with a Q6700 and Asus Striker II Extreme


I'm almost 100% sure your CPU is the bottleneck. If it weren't, the GTX 470 should EASILY break 3000 without a drop of sweat.
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Mostaru wrote:
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Ran the benchmark again with updated driver:

5296 low
3424 high

a little improvement but not much on the high res :(

That's really weird. I'm pretty sure Low = mostly CPU dependent while High = mostly GPU dependent; you should still be scoring higher than that on High...

Still, that's a HUGE improvement over your last score (low res-wise).


help a bro out? :(


Download AMD Overdrive and MSI Afterburner. They are overclocking utilities for your CPU and GPU, respectively. They both also monitor the usage of your CPU and GPU. Turn them on, run the benchmark on high, and monitor the usage.

If your GPU runs at 99% most of the time while your CPU is below 99%, that means your GPU is the bottleneck (overclock your GPU a bit to increase performance).

If your CPU runs at 99% most of the time while your GPU is below 99%, that means your CPU is the bottleneck (overclock your CPU a bit to increase performance).

In your case, I'm fairly sure your GPU is the bottleneck when running the benchmark on high.

Note: If you're not familiar with overclocking, do not try it unless you've done some research on it. You could accidentally fry your CPU/GPU.
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That's really weird. I'm pretty sure Low = mostly CPU dependent while High = mostly GPU dependent; you should still be scoring higher than that on High...


That's just a general guideline, it doesn't apply to all cases. :)
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Mostaru wrote:


Ran the benchmark again with updated driver:

5296 low
3424 high

a little improvement but not much on the high res :(


I also have i7 930, GTX 470 and 6GB RAM. (no overclocking)

My scores are (roughly):

5200 low
3400 high

So it's the same as mine. Seems about right?


Edited, Aug 14th 2010 1:58pm by scotchio
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I'm not sure if this has been mentions and is considered as a general configuration,

but have you changed the 3D settings in your Nvidia Control Panel? I don't know if it is preferable, but you could set it to emphasize performance, and I bet it would yield a significant benchmark increase - if the number is what you care about
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scotchio wrote:
Mostaru wrote:


Ran the benchmark again with updated driver:

5296 low
3424 high

a little improvement but not much on the high res :(


I also have i7 930, GTX 470 and 6GB RAM. (no overclocking)

My scores are (roughly):

5200 low
3400 high

So it's the same as mine. Seems about right?


Edited, Aug 14th 2010 1:58pm by scotchio


cool!
someone has a similar pc get similar score

@Sohma
thanks i will def. try that later
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