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#1 Aug 13 2010 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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So I'm pretty freaking excited for FF14 now that the new rig has arrived (and some other game to keep me busy until 9/22 called SCII). As my friend Dzan would say it's a hoss.

Go fast goodies:
Liquid Cooled i7 930 2.8 GHz - planning on overclocking to 3.6 GHz
ATI Radeon 5970
6GB 1600 Mhz RAM
(2) 10,000 spin 300GB Raptors in Raid 0 (600GB)

Fun extras:
875 Watt Power supply
1TB Secondary drive
OptX AW2310 Widescreen 120 Hz with 3D capabilities
Blu-ray Reader/Writer Drive

The box it came in was absolutely massive. 71 lbs!
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Leatherbound User Manual LOL
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Uh.... this is bigger than I expected...
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This is pretty sly, the top slides back to reveal front ports. (As if there weren't enough, there's like 6 or 7 USB ports on the back.
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TactX Inputs!
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If you press the alienhead the front compartment slides open!
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3D Monitor, but no 3D card. I kicked around going to dual 480GTX for the 3D support, but was more interested in eye-finity. Some of those articles about seizures scared me away from 3D for the time being. Additionally, I need a wireless NIC in the box since I can't get wired access to the box. Yes I know there are other alternatives, but I wanted the card. I'll reshape the box if I need/want to when I get into my new apartment. I just moved to New York a few months ago and sublet the first thing I could find that was decent and will be moving into my new diggs in a couple months.
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Stickers!!!
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Mmmmm... ready to play.
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It glows!
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For anyone else considering Alienware, the ALX only adds vents to the top for a $500 premium. They open when box temperatures reach a certain threshold. Tom's Hardware and a few other places did a review and said that the flaps didn't add any extra cooling. Additionally many people on the Alienware forums commented that they are problematic and can be squeaky. The general consensus seemed to stay clear of this year's ALX machines.

The Area 51, which I also considered, is significantly larger than the Aurora; however, you get more room to fit PCI Express cards. Modern cards cover up the extra PCI Express slots in the Aurora (because they're so wide), which means if you run Dual 480s or 5870s you wont have room for any other cards. The Area 51 allows for dual cards and leaves room for another PCI Express card, at the expense of having to find a place for a MASSIVE tower.

As far as the benchmark scores goes, straight out of the box no tweaks, my first pass on high-res was 3644, second was 3656. Low-res was 5606. Keep in mind that I'm running the 5970 without using the .dll hack if you're trying to compare machine specs. Another poster on these forums with a similar base configuration using the .dll hack and overclocking his i7 930 to 4.1 Ghz ( not sure I'll ever be that bold ) was able to score over 7000 on high-res.

Yes, Alienware is expensive. However, in my scenario it makes a certain amount of sense. All I have is an XPS M1730 (laptop) at the moment so I have nothing to upgrade. Pricing out all the parts to the equivalent of this machine on newegg.com was actually more expensive than what I paid. Granted I was able to get 20% off my PC. Additionally the Alienware tech support guys seem to really know there stuff and have already said they'll help me overclock the box. I have 3 years of warranty on the entire box including my raptors in Raid 0, which we know can be temperamental. Additionally they honor warranties after overclocking.

Quite frankly the fit and finish to this PC is excellent. Getting in and out of it is a breeze and well thought out. Everything you need from HDMI cables to drivers is included. A full restore disc is included to bring you back to square one. The bios is meant for customers to overclock and tweak.

As someone that has built PCs in the past, I'm glad that I didn't this time around. Dell's sales team sucks, but their Alienware tech guys are pretty sharp. Before making my purchase I called them up to ask some real questions. They had all the info for tech specs, build, etc. I was looking for and were willing go the extra mile. I asked one of the tech's a question and he said, "I don't know, let me go in the back and open up the machine and look." He literally went to the back of wherever he was, opened up an Area 51 for me and gave me all the info I was looking for in about 5 minutes.

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#2 Aug 13 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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ship me what you have and go get another one with 3D supported!
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#3 Aug 13 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Default
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Here's the real question, how much did the whole thing cost and how much of said cost was the alienware name alone?
#4 Aug 13 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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Liquid Cooled i7 930 2.8 Hz - planning on overclocking to 3.6 Hz


I'm assuming you mean GHz, right? 2.8 Hz is less than a calculator :P
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#5 Aug 13 2010 at 12:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here's the real question, how much did the whole thing cost and how much of said cost was the alienware name alone?


Because I was curious too, I priced this out on Alienware without a monitor and the total came to $2,849.00.
Priced out the same specs on ibuypower and the total came to $2,037.00.

So to answer your question, $812, or 28.5% (a 40% markup) of the price was for the Alienware brand. The OP said he got 20% off, so that's a savings of $569.80, bringing the "Alienware tax" to $242.20.

That was compared to IBP though; not Newegg.

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"Alienware tax" to $242.20.


Not too bad to have it all built for ya and sittin' pretty. I'm usually not one for buying pre-builts for gaming, but with a nice discount you made out quite nicely. Nice machine there broseph.

We should have a benchmark war when I finish building my 930 with 2 GTX460s in sli. I'm positive your liquid cooled 930/5970 would beat me up, but by how much? hmmm..?

I only spent 1350 including teh monitor though :)

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benchmark score?
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benchmark score?
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can't be much more than 5k on hi-res if that.
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Nice if you got it flaunt it. I got similar system minus the 10k spin HDD for 1100. But hey its your money spend it the way you want.

P.S. Built myself not alienware.

Still nice rig though.
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SSD > crappy raptor drives

No spin time > 10k rpm
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As far as the benchmark scores goes, straight out of the box no tweaks, my first pass on high-res was 3644, second was 3656. Low-res was 5606.


Seems pretty low for that setup to be honest, i just built a i7 930, with a 5870 and got 4650 on high, so im kinda confised to how you got that score.
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#13PandhaBear, Posted: Aug 13 2010 at 3:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) key difference, you build yours he bought his premade. It's like the difference between a restaurant that makes everything fresh and on it's own compared to say...McDonalds.
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That would be relevant if building your own made it magically faster compared to a computer of identical specs, but since it doesn't, it's not.
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I was going to zoomquote the OP, but **** you, I'm so mad I am going straight to the good part:
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Fun extras:
875 Watt Power supply


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#16 Aug 13 2010 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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(2) 10,000 spin 300GB Raptors in Raid 0 (600GB)


I'd be wary of that. For very little benefit (in a gaming PC) you have put your OS and theoretically most of your game installs at twice the risk of data loss due to hard drive failure. If you don't need the extra 300GB you may want to consider either switching that to raid 1 or just switching the raid off and using all 3 hard drives separately.
#17 Aug 13 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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GuardianFaith wrote:
I only spent 1350 including teh monitor though :)


with two GTX460s?
how?

i spent like 1200 with only 1 GTX470
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(2) 10,000 spin 300GB Raptors in Raid 0 (600GB)


I'd be wary of that. For very little benefit (in a gaming PC) you have put your OS and theoretically most of your game installs at twice the risk of data loss due to hard drive failure. If you don't need the extra 300GB you may want to consider either switching that to raid 1 or just switching the raid off and using all 3 hard drives separately.


Or keep a back up disk image on a secondary drive, like I do Smiley: grin
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Seems pretty low for that setup to be honest, i just built a i7 930, with a 5870 and got 4650 on high, so im kinda confised to how you got that score


I agree; I get ~4000 on high with my Phenom IIx4 965 and a 5850. I get ~4400 on high with a decent OC on the video card.
Not sure why your benchmark isn't similar to Zidaga's, since without the .dll hack your 5970 should bench similar to a 5870.

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Or keep a back up disk image on a secondary drive, like I do Smiley: grin



But then he's partitioning and wasting 600GB of his data drive.

I might just be crotchety but I've never seen benefits in raid on personal computers.
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No raid 1 for security. I certainly wouldn't want to lose all my media files.
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Seems pretty low for that setup to be honest, i just built a i7 930, with a 5870 and got 4650 on high, so im kinda confised to how you got that score


I agree; I get ~4000 on high with my Phenom IIx4 965 and a 5850. I get ~4400 on high with a decent OC on the video card.
Not sure why your benchmark isn't similar to Zidaga's, since without the .dll hack your 5970 should bench similar to a 5870.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 8:33am by Rysa

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 8:37am by Rysa


Quite frankly I was thinking the same thing last night, but I would rather be honest about the experience and numbers versus feeding everyone a line of ********* I was really hoping for at least 4000 on the hi-def. This weekend I was going to poke around it a little more and try to see what's up. The mobo is supposed to be able to run x16 x16 x1, but there are 3 PCI Express slots. Heaven forbid they put the cards in the wrong slots, but IIRC x1 slots are generally shorter so not sure that's even possible. I did have to make a change in the bios to get the ram to run at the full 1600hz, they had it configured wrong from the factory somehow, but it was late when I was getting everything setup last night so I didn't mess with to much aside from getting CPU ID download and looking at some basic stuff.

Mikhalia got the price right within like $50, but I would expect nothing less than that from him!
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
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Liquid Cooled i7 930 2.8 Hz - planning on overclocking to 3.6 Hz


I'm assuming you mean GHz, right? 2.8 Hz is less than a calculator :P


Haha! Nah man, that's just straigt Hz!!! How else do you think I got the 20% off!

I'll fix the original post, forgive my sleepiness.
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Emmm i got an i7 920 (running on stock no OC atm) a ati HD5870 XfX with 6 gig Corsair DDR3 1866, and i score 4970 so your setup is going worng somewhere lol, i aint got no raid setup or anything near as good as that raptor HD, you should be well in excess of 5k score,
In my opinion and this is purely my opinion alien ware are over priced i built my system for just under 1K on alien ware site they would have charged 1.4k+ and that was with a 5750...

Ohh ands thats on my GENE etup you know micro pc style lol.

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Looks cool, but you just spent 25% more to have an alien logo on your case. PC parts are PC parts, and they perform the same regardless of who puts them together (assuming they are put together correctly). Every system builder offers a 3 year warranty.

A PC built with an i7 930 and a 5970 is going to score about the same on the benchmark regardless of what is on the outside of the case. You could have built yourself a much better PC for the same cost from a more reasonably priced PC builder.

It sure is cool though. I certainly would love to have it!
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Looks cool, but you just spent 25% more to have an alien logo on your case. PC parts are PC parts, and they perform the same regardless of who puts them together (assuming they are put together correctly).


This is soooo wrong. I hate when people post this bull crap because it's not true. PC parts are parts but they do NOT perform the same regardless because they work differently with other different hardware. When you buy from Alienware or any other computer company you are getting hardware that has been tested to work well together. Yes you COULD go out and buy all the parts individually but that doesn't mean you're going to get amazing performance as you would if you bought one that was tested and you know gets amazing performance.

Bottom line is that you get what you pay for. Yes you pay more because you're getting it built by a company but you also get an assurance that the hardware functions properly, and let's not forget warranty and support because that's huge too. If I need to get my Alienware repaired they let me send it in to them or they will send me a part *before* I send them the replacement part with no questions asked. Try calling up ASUS and asking them to send you a motherboard before they get your existing one and let me know how that goes.

While you may spend less money putting together your own system you will ultimately pay for it in frustration if you ever need to replace a bad part or if you aren't an expert at putting computers together but you're not paying extra just for a 'logo'.
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AVADirect does the exact same thing for 25% less. Your GPU goes out and they send you a new one, or you send the box to them and they replace it for you.

Hardware working well together? Huh? You pick the parts and they build it. You pick the GPU they stick in the MoBo, so how exactly do they make sure it "works well together"? If you select an EVGA GTX 460 1GB do they try 10 different GPUs of that model until they find one that works 1% better in your particualr MoBo? Do they have some secret way of mounting a CPU to the MoBo to make a 3.0GHz CPU run faster than another 3.0GHz CPU mounted by some other company? Do they have a secret way sticking RAM into a MoBo to make it faster to access?

Try to justify your more expensive purchase all you want, but you get the exact same thing from Alienware as you do from AVADirect or iBuyPower except for the logo on the case.

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one thing worth its weight in gold with alienware.

They back up their systems very well, even if its OC'd

With a custom build you OC it and it goes boom, well good luck
there's that 40% mark up u saved, now being lost to a new proc
or GPU.


Some people don't have the time, experience, or knowledge to build a custom set up
with a custom OC.

That's why companies like alienware do well and are around. you're paying
for the assurance of a stable system, warranty, and the convenience.


I own a M17X and for me this was the convenient path to having a high powered mobile
rig.


My next rig the desktop will be custom built bc i can and like doing that.
However, i am very happy with my M-17x purchase.

OP great system, enjoy it!!

The boys at alienware have great OC support.

I got my M17x to a 20% OC on the Q9000 proc and
25% OC on the gpu's all running at 48 centigrade at idle and about 78C at max load

enjoy the new system and tinker with the gpu setting to improve ur bench scores

i brought my bench score from a 2700 to a 3300 and i am happy to run the game on that
til the mother rig gets built
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Mostaru wrote:
GuardianFaith wrote:
I only spent 1350 including teh monitor though :)


with two GTX460s?
how?

i spent like 1200 with only 1 GTX470



Prices including tax
Corei7 930 : $220 (microcenter)
EVGA x58 LE : $180 (craigslist)
6gb 1600 DDR3: $150 (newegg)
2x gtx460 1gb: 185 + 240 ( one on craigslist, one new on newegg; both EVGA)
CM GX 750w PSU: $90 (Microcenter)
320gb Caviar Blue: $50 (Microcenter)
Asus CD/DVD writer: $23 (Newegg)
Windows: $110 (Newegg)
Thermaltake A90 case: $96 (microcenter)

Total including tax came out to $1344
still waiting on two rebates too, $20 on case and mobo which takes it down to $1,304.

So actually 1350 was a guess without tax, and wrong lol. It was about 1350 with one card and the monitor (which is a 23'' LG I got at fries for $180)
Wow tax really adds up, you know it's 9.75% here in california?

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 9:20am by GuardianFaith

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 9:21am by GuardianFaith
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Thats a nice build Guardian, good job on the deal hunting. Hopefully we will see full SLI support in the retail version so those gtx460's can start working OT.
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Prices including tax
Corei7 930 : $220 (microcenter)
EVGA x58 LE : $180 (craigslist)
6gb 1600 DDR3: $150 (newegg)
2x gtx460 1gb: 185 + 240 ( one on craigslist, one new on newegg; both EVGA)
CM GX 750w PSU: $90 (Microcenter)
320gb Caviar Blue: $50 (Microcenter)
Asus CD/DVD writer: $23 (Newegg)
Windows: $110 (Newegg)
Thermaltake A90 case: $96 (microcenter)

Total including tax came out to $1344
still waiting on two rebates too, $20 on case and mobo which takes it down to $1,304.

So actually 1350 was a guess without tax, and wrong lol. It was about 1350 with one card.
Wow tax really adds up, you know it's 9.75% here in california?


not a bad build for the money!!!

You found some good deals there.

Try our 13% tax here in ontario, plus exchange from canadian dollar to US dollar.

You americans got it good that way


/jealous!!!!


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Thats a nice build Guardian, good job on the deal hunting. Hopefully we will see full SLI support in the retail version so those gtx460's can start working OT.


Yeah I hope the driver issues are all ironed out in a next couple months too.
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Its a very nice rig Unused, don't let the details bother you.

As tech crazed gamers we will of course criticize every faucet and detail but you can't help but laugh really. RAID 0 or not, the machine smokes. Dell backed or not, it's a hot rod and it's very awesome. Congratz man.

I understand that the enthusiast likes to build and tinker, but sometimes it is a hassle. Sometimes you have to wait, or RMA parts, download and install 50 drivers, work with vendors, etc. etc. Sometimes its best to just insert the key and vroom vroom. I love custom builds as much as the next person, but honestly there is little room for improvement...

Ok ok, I would take a ***** driver to that thing.

-Phase change cooler
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9725/ex-vap-19/OCZ_Cryo-Z_Phase_Change_Single_Evaporator_CPU_Cooling_Unit_OCZTCRYO_-_Sockets_478_754_775_1156_1366_939_940_AM2_AM2_AM3.html?tl=g49

-OC to 4 Ghz (does Alienware back OCing?)
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/730965-core-i7-930-4ghz-temps.html

-Switch to OCZ Vertex SSDs in Raid
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251043-32-raptor

-Install more lights, Scythe S-FLEX™ S-FDB 120mm FAN
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/002/sflex_detail.html

-Consider liquid nitrogen to push 5.0 Ghz
http://www.ehow.com/how_5166410_purchase-liquid-nitrogen.html

-Then hire a guy who waves flags to help you to take off and land
http://www.vintagephotos.com/Flagman%20by%20Nat%20Fein%20Copyrights%20Nat%20Fein%20Estate%2090%20DPI.jpg

Ok ok, we are crazy. Don't listen to us. The rig is awesome and will carry you for at least a few months. Hopefully years of reliable, enjoyable gaming. ~ENJOY~
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Back on the tech dissuasion, I have a question:
On a similar configuration of the OP, would be better 6G of RAM @ 1600 or 12G @ 1300?
Basically, how much difference would make -300 in such an high end machine?

And, a standard 7200 rpm would be acceptable?

Thanks in advance
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Smoke that was awesome.

I laughed hard and looked at every thread!!!

Great post and something I would do.


Currently trying to figure out how to push my cpu's to about 2.6 a core

ha ha ha but might need some more cooling to do that at a stable level
#36 Aug 13 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Back on the tech dissuasion, I have a question:
On a similar configuration of the OP, would be better 6G of RAM @ 1600 or 12G @ 1300?
Basically, how much difference would make -300 in such an high end machine?



well can the 12GB memory be clocked up to 1600? if so
then go that route just make sure the cooling and voltages are good
#37 Aug 13 2010 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Speeral,

I didn't mean over clocking the RAM.

I just wanted an opinion on what was more preferable here:
More GB of RAM but slower, or less but faster.

Thanks again
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#38 Aug 13 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Default
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GuardianFaith wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
GuardianFaith wrote:
I only spent 1350 including teh monitor though :)


with two GTX460s?
how?

i spent like 1200 with only 1 GTX470



Prices including tax
Corei7 930 : $220 (microcenter)
EVGA x58 LE : $180 (craigslist)
6gb 1600 DDR3: $150 (newegg)
2x gtx460 1gb: 185 + 240 ( one on craigslist, one new on newegg; both EVGA)
CM GX 750w PSU: $90 (Microcenter)
320gb Caviar Blue: $50 (Microcenter)
Asus CD/DVD writer: $23 (Newegg)
Windows: $110 (Newegg)
Thermaltake A90 case: $96 (microcenter)

Total including tax came out to $1344
still waiting on two rebates too, $20 on case and mobo which takes it down to $1,304.

So actually 1350 was a guess without tax, and wrong lol. It was about 1350 with one card and the monitor (which is a 23'' LG I got at fries for $180)
Wow tax really adds up, you know it's 9.75% here in california?


Wow, are most of the parts new?
here's my list.

I didnt see any tax from the purchase.
all the parts are new, i have a similar build

Corei7 930 : $289.99 (newegg)(wtf, im paying 70bucks more!)
EVGA x58 SLI LE : $199.99 - $20.00 rebate (newegg)
OCZ 6GB 1600 DDR3: 160.99 - $30.00 rebate(newegg)
EVGA GTX470: $350 - 20%OFF - $20rebate <--lost the $20rebate code :( (EVGA)
OCZ 850WATT PSU: $79.99 - $20.00 rebate(newegg)
WD cavier Black 500GB: $79.99 (newegg)
Asus 24X CD/DVD writer: $19.99 (Newegg)
Windows: $0 (not telling you where)
AZZA Solano Full tower case: $94.99 - $30.00 rebate(newegg)
Acer 23' widescreen: 179.99 (newegg)
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How much did you pay for the re-branded Logitech keyboard and mouse?
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IF any of you are interested Microcenter usually has the best prices for CPUs (Including the i7 930. But most times (if not always) they are in store pickup only.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303
#41 Aug 13 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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They back up their systems very well, even if its OC'd


This really isn't saying much. From what I've seen, most companies offering overclocking are simply disabling the turbo feature of the chip, and overclocking to the turbo-clocked frequency [turbo feature dynamically overclocks depending on core usage. SO if you're only using one core, it dynamically overclocks to a set rate.

This isn't really a risk though, because [for obvious reasons] all cores have to be binned to withstand that turbo induced max speed anyway. All you're doing is simplifying the process and applying it to all cores.

I've even read in many cases people push to that speed or higher on stock voltages.
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Calprimus wrote:
Back on the tech dissuasion, I have a question:
On a similar configuration of the OP, would be better 6G of RAM @ 1600 or 12G @ 1300?
Basically, how much difference would make -300 in such an high end machine?

And, a standard 7200 rpm would be acceptable?

Thanks in advance


6GB RAM is more than most current games will make use of. Unless you're doing video editing for massive files 12GB won't net you much. Which is why I went with 1600, the faster for roughly the same price point.

7200 RPM is acceptable, but it will be slower. Will it be noticable, depends on what you are doing. It simply comes down to how much you want to spend. For me (2) 10k Raptors in Raid 0 was a sweet spot in performance/price. As far as Raid 0 vs single drive consider these educational reading. Just like anything else when seeking optimal performance everything matters and it matters as to what you are doing. At a minimum I would get a single 300GB 10k drive. If you have a little extra $$$ toss it this way: http://hothardware.com/articles/WD-VelociRaptor-600GB-Fastest-HD-Ever/

If you don't have much extra cash, put it towards the Video Card/RAM/CPU.

Arguments for Raid 0:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/515/raid-0-hype-or-blessing.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/394

Arguments against (However, I would strong suggest reading the comments following the article):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1371

If Alienware would have offered a single 15k raptor instead of the (2) 10k in Raid 0, I would have gone that route, but they don't. People above raving about SSD are right, it's faster, but it's also much more expensive when you want 500GB+ of storage.

Yes, all the people raving about SSD are right, it is indeed faster; however, the price for any SSD in any sort of large capacity is still significantly more expensive.

SSD: Less than half the space, but twice the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006692%20600038487&IsNodeId=1&name=256GB

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Wow, are most of the parts new?


Yes all brand new.
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Geffe wrote:
How much did you pay for the re-branded Logitech keyboard and mouse?


Since I got 20% off the system, $15 less than the corresponding Logitech and my TactX can at least support more than just orange for the backlit color.

My PC is not the fastest out there by any stretch, but for a couple grand it's very powerful and will look good sitting out in the open in a Manhattan apartment. I no longer have the luxury of tucking an ugly betty away and I do have the inclination to bring ladies back to the apartment from time to time.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 1:58pm by UnusedName
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#45 Aug 13 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Arguments for Raid 0:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/515/raid-0-hype-or-blessing.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/394

Arguments against (However, I would strong suggest reading the comments following the article):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1371

If Alienware would have offered a single 15k raptor instead of the (2) 10k in Raid 0, I would have gone that route, but they don't. People above raving about SSD are right, it's faster, but it's also much more expensive when you want 500GB+ of storage.

Yes, all the people raving about SSD are right, it is indeed faster; however, the price for any SSD in any sort of large capacity is still significantly more expensive.

SSD: Less than half the space, but twice the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006692%20600038487&IsNodeId=1&name=256GB


Those are some nice breakdowns of raid 0 performance. My work experience with hard drives and raid taints my view towards hard drive life expectancy, so I look at raid 0 as too large of a risk to lose data.... but then again there is no reason to keep anything important/valuable on a personal computer these days.
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Bit late to this one:

Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
I might just be crotchety but I've never seen benefits in raid on personal computers.


It keeps roaches and ants out.
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UnusedName wrote:
Geffe wrote:
How much did you pay for the re-branded Logitech keyboard and mouse?


Since I got 20% off the system, $15 less than the corresponding Logitech and my TactX can at least support more than just orange for the backlit color.

My PC is not the fastest out there by any stretch, but for a couple grand it's very powerful and will look good sitting out in the open in a Manhattan apartment. I no longer have the luxury of tucking an ugly betty away and I do have the inclination to bring ladies back to the apartment from time to time.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 1:58pm by UnusedName


Discounts are always good. I was really just curious as to how much more they are charging since it has Alienware on it.
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Yes, all the people raving about SSD are right, it is indeed faster; however, the price for any SSD in any sort of large capacity is still significantly more expensive.


That's why you get one big enough for the O/S, and maybe one or two vital programs. . . and a 1-2 TB standard drive.

Seriously, who the **** needs EVERY program to open up at the speed of light? When was the last time you were sitting there at your computer ranting like angry german kid b/c it was taking forever for outlook to start up?

Granted, maybe it's just me, but the only time I ever got frustrated was with Windows load times, especially as technology got faster. Someone explain to me why over 15 years and how many versions of Windows, we're still talking 30-80+ second startup times?

So yea, SSD counterract that.

As far as Raid is concerned, the only thing I don't like about Raid 0 is that if half the setup dies, you've lost 100% of data. No warranty in the world is gonna retrieve much if any of your data if one of your drives dies. Then on top of it they're 10k RPM drives. If they're not adequately cooled, you're not exactly talking long lifespan ;)


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Quite frankly I was thinking the same thing last night, but I would rather be honest about the experience and numbers versus feeding everyone a line of bullsh*t. I was really hoping for at least 4000 on the hi-def.


If I were you, I'd start by blowing all the garbage off the machine, cleanup/defrag/registry clean [Ccleaner and regvac are both good and either free or free-to-try, IF you're comfortable with Registry cleaners. Some are not]

Then I'd work on your O/C and get that setup and stable. 3.6 would be good, 4.0 would be better. Take your time, be patient about it ;)

Then re-run and see what you end up with. honestly, with a decent O/C your machine + that 5970 you should smoke mine on benchmarks, and I'm pulling 6173 Low and 5265 high with an AMD X6 [Overclocked to 4.1Ghz and 5870 Gfx card.] I'm not sayin' this to brag, just giving you a baseline to compare to. I may not like alienware or pre-built machines, but I recognize a powerful piece of kit when I see it ;) Get to work :P




Edited, Aug 13th 2010 4:49pm by seneleron
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